BAE won't refund money back to URT; will give it to charities!

Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
I will write a letter to BAE.. to congratulate them for this incredible good news.. haiwezekani mzembe atuzwe!
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Hela zao wanawagawia wahindi madalali, hizi za BAE zahusu? Tumezoea usanii usanii tu hata kwenye mambo makubwa hatuoni haya.
 
Kifupi ni kwamba serikali yetu haiaminiwi ndiyo message halisi ya email ya BAE na serikali ya UK kwa URT but bravo BAE
 
Hivi kuna mashirika mangapi ya Charity Tanzania au wanamaanisha NGOs/CSOs/CBOs/FBOs?
 


ndiyo maana ningekuwa mimi.. ningependekeza Ubalozi wa Uingereza wenyewe usimamia matumizi ya fedha hizo kwa kuchagua miradi iende wapi kwa kutangaza taasisi za elimu ya juu binafsi kuandika project ili waweze kupata fedha hiyo.. Na wakati huo huo kutangaza kuundwa kwa timu itakayosimamia ujenzi wa hospitali ya kisasa ya watoto (Tanzania National Children's Hospital) or something.. that is tangible.. hakuna kuwekeza kwenye "mchakato wa utatuzi wa tatizo la vipepeo wa rangi nyekundu!"
 
popo said:
"We have decided that the fine for accounting error for Tanzania radar will be paid to selected charities not the government." Read part of the email sent to The Guardian on Sunday yesterday.
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Why dont they declare that it is corruption na sio accounting error. This show hawataki kudhuru maslahi na kuharibu image ya serikali yao. If learned brothers/sisters at Attorney Generals Office are serious time will tell and we will see.

Nadhani SFO waliishia walipoishia kulinda maslahi ya UK. But so far wanaahitaji pongezi .Ni changamoto Upande wetu TZ sasa tujue nini kilitokea , nani alifanya na atahukumiwa adhabu gani.

Viongozi wa Jamii forum andikeni na muandae proposal ya kuomba mshiko. nahika hii website ni charity pia ya kutoa na kusambaza habari. Hii chenji ya radar naona ni muhimu inuse jamiis forum
 
Kuna yeyote anaweza kuniupdate pls

As my understanding hizi hela hazihusiani na hela za Vijisenti Mj mbunge Chnenge? Wala hazihusiani na Account ya Vithlani kule Uswis. Am I correct ?

Je zile hela za chenge kule jersey serikali iliomba ziwe blocked au baada ya uchunguzi acc yake ilikuwa wazi kwa matumizi na transfer na ku draw?
 
Nitajisikia furaha na aman kwa watoto wangu na wajuku zangu ambao hawajazaliwa, pindi wakizaliwa wakikuta mizoga ya Chenge namwenzake gerezani. Mungu fanya muujiza viongoz wakuu waingie gerezani.
 
Mwanakijiji una-assume UK iko clean kwenye hili suala baada ya upelelezi wa SFO hivyo itakuwa tayari kusimamia in a clean way matumizi ya hizo fedha huku TZ. Kama hawakuwa clean kutuuzia rada. Wakaacha kuwa clean enough kufungua kesi baada ya uchunguzi wao what make you think watakuwa clean now?
 


Mazee mazee mazee,

Yaani wewe reasonig yako inaonyesha kwamba hizi hela za vijisenti, kama zilikuwa zinahitaji "a last nail in the coffin" this is it.

Kwa hiyo, ukitaka kufanya upembuzi yakinifu, upembuzi deep kuhusu hili swala, upembuzi unaotaka kukabili kila hoja kuhusu hili swala...

Hawa BAE walikuwa set, I mean set, as far as serikali ya Tanzania ilikuwa concerned.

Aliyekuja kuwaharibia deal ni yule mama Clare Short (mpeni nishani zote za Tanzania m-labour huyu, Nyerere must be proud of his socialist Fabian roots through this woman, she resigned the whip in the noughts, under Blair for god's sake, the old man must be proud of his Edinburgh Fabian roots, for if the best of what "The Fabian Society" can produce is the likes of Claire Short, then it is hardly short of the challenges of the modern world!)
 

Pole sana Mkulu Kasheshe!!...... Hela za kampeni kutoka fungu hili mlilotegemea hizoo zimekata kona ya kushoto baada ya kuona mmeshaanza kuzivizia upande wa kulia!!! lol.

It's true what they say - the ones with their heads shoved further up the 'dimming hole' can hardly smell the AROMA out of the hole!!!!

Am just trying to say - what an indirect insult this is, kwani ujumbe kwenye hii move ni kwamba HAWAIAMINI SERIKALI YETU!! Do you really need to be a vicar to decipher what is being gesticulated?!!
 
Clare Short
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 1 October 2009 18.30 BST

The decision of the Serious Fraud Office to recommend prosecution of BAE Systems is to be welcomed. Britain's record in implementing the international convention that makes it illegal to offer a bribe to a public official abroad has been very weak. And I know from my involvement as international development secretary in one of the four cases where the SFO is recommending prosecution, the sale of an air traffic control system to Tanzania, that the record of BAE looks very grubby indeed.

I bumped into this saga in 2000 when we were proposing a big increase in aid to Tanzania in order to help fund universal, free primary education. One of the Department for International Development officials then informed me that an old proposal for the sale of a military air traffic control system, which had been blocked many years earlier, had re-emerged. The old proposal had been divided by BAE into two phases in order to make it appear cheaper.

My problem was that the increased aid would end up paying the BAE bill. Tanzania had recently received debt relief and one of the conditions was that it would not borrow money except on concessional terms such as those available from the development banks. Yet this project was to be funded by a loan from Barclays bank, which claimed to be concessional. Since Barclays is a commercial company, it did not seem credible that they would offer loans below market prices. The suspicion was that they had simply inflated the price and then pretended the loan was concessional.

The local representative of the World Bank therefore asked the International Civil Aviation Organisation to report on the project. The report said that the system was very old technology and was military, not civil. Tanzania had no use for such a system. It did need better civil air traffic control to improve tourism. A loan was available from the European Investment Bank to install a state-of-the-art system for Tanzania and its two neighbours that cost less than half the BAE system.

At that stage, there was no evidence of bribery but it seemed obvious to me that such a lousy deal could only be explained by corruption. Later, the Guardian exposed evidence of the bribe.

I did all I could to get the government to refuse an export licence. New Labour came to power on a commitment to tighten up on arms sales. Robin Cook had therefore negotiated an EU-wide deal that banned the sale of equipment that threatened aggression, repression or sustainable development. Clearly, this proposal threatened the development of Tanzania, which is one of the poorest countries in the world. My case was strong, but Tony Blair supported BAE, as always, and other ministers would not stand up to him. To our shame, the export licence was granted.

The evidence in this case must be aired in court. BAE must be prosecuted and then an inquiry held to ensure that no future British government supports dirty deals of the type that I am convinced this was
 

SteveD,

Your discerning views are once again spot on.

No, you don't ned to be a vicar, being a vicar would probably blind you with dogmatic constructs.You only need to spin wheels like SteveD, or at least aspire to.

My only concern is that you are not seen at JF as you used to be, you aristocratic understating daemon. After all, what is food without the salt of the eath (i.e SteveD) ?
 
How can BAE award a corrupt government? ni aibu kwa Membe kushikilia bakuli kusubiri chenji ya wizi hivi serikali yetu ina akili kweli wewe umeambiwa fuatilia waliohusika uwafikishe mahakamani hutaki UK wamefanya hivyo kwa upande wao na kui force BAE kurudisha chenji bado wewe Membe na serikali eti mnasubiri hizo hela huu ni ujuha

serikali haina hata aibu hii ni kashifa imeonekana serikali nzima ni ya wezi tupu ndio maana BAE hawataki kushirikiana nayo tena wanajua hata chenji hii itaenda kwa wajanja nakuwaingiza BAE kwenye matatizo mengine
 

UK haiko clean. Tony Blair ndiye aliyelazimisha deal liendelee huku Mh. Mkapa akipewa cheo cha U-commissioner for Africa whatever.... Claire Short cried out loud to alert everyone at the conception of this stinking deal.

But since we couldn't even dare investigate on our side to oust the culprits... who are we to propose on whom should the compensation money go through?
 
Hatuwezi kusema UK& BAE wako 100% perfect lakini wameonesha pamoja na impurities walizonazo wanapofanya kosa wanauwezo wa kujisafisha wao wenyewe ni bora kama wameona uchafu na kuusafisha kuliko sisi tunaouruka uchafu na kuuacha palepale
 
Huyu Mama Clare Short akifa, kama nikijaliwa kuwa hai, nataka kufunga safari kumzika jamani.

Maana hata kama anajifagilia apate ujikoi, mwacheni apate ujiko jamani, haya ndiyo mambo fulani ya principles tunayoyaongelea, tunayoyahitaji jamani. Mimi nitafunga safari ubalozi wa Uingereza kuomba visa kumzika huyu Clare Short, kama vipi nitawaonyesha passport na bith certificate yangu ya Tanzania, na hii article, na kuwaambia kwamba kumzika huyu mama kwangu mimi ni muhimu, kwani wakati kina Mkapa, MrambaChenge na Kikwete wanatuambia "radar itanunuliwa hata kama wananchi itabidi wale majani" huyu Muingereza alikuwa anapinga at the expense of kibarua chake na popularity yake.
 
Steve D huoni kuna ushirikiano wa kimataifa (international relation) katika ku-cover hili soo la BAE? Ndio maana nasema kama UK haiko clean kwa kutofanya prosecution baada ya SFO kumaliza upelelezi kwa nini wanajifanya clean katika suala zima la kurejesha vijisenti? Why should one government pretend it is cleaner than the other government given that they eat/ate together as per international relations? What is the catch - Elections?
 

Did you see that? I mean that came from the Brits, not some International probe or anything, the Brits themselves for god's sake.

The British Cabinet itself, Clare Short herserf, under the Blair cabinet, for god's sake.

For god's sake!

Y'all made me invoke god, even though y'all know I don't believe in god.
 


Kaka, hili bandiko lako limebeba ujumbe wote!

Inasikitisha sana kuona viongozi wetu walivyo. Mi nadhani hawa jamaa (viongozi) ni kwa sababu ya protocal za kimataifa tuu....lakini wakipita airports za huko duniani wanachekesha sana, wazungu wanatuona miafrika ni milofa tuu. Yaani kweli..Rais anapanda ndege na delegation nzima kwenda kuongea na Ray Chambers huko USA atupatie "mosquito nets" wakati wanaotuibia hela nyingi (ambazo sio tuu zingenunua nets, bali zingesaidia kutokomeza malaria) tunawafumbia macho? Hivi kweli what is wrong with Africa and its Africans? Mi nadhani there is something more to it than we SHALL ever know!

Masanja,
 
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