Hayajamani
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- Jul 2, 2012
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Hivi Kiswahili ni lugha yetu ya asili au tumeamua kuifanya yetu tu? Kwangu Kiswahili na Kingereza vyoto vina tamaduni za nje
I have never studied at an English Medium School before the secondary level, and even during secondary, tambaza, while sitting next to IST, was no IST.Olympio and IST notwithstanding, the craze was simply not conceived then, at least en masse. I briefly taught at one English Medium though, so I should have some first hand experience. I am told by native speakers - sometimes with offending, though genuine, astonishment where perhaps elation on my part was expected, that my verbal and written English is devoid of some telltale signs that are a characteristic of our national issues with this rather strange tongue.
In scientific research, one pitfall to be avoided is to take correlation as causation.
Perhaps it was my home library, love for American broadcasts through ABC (shouts out to Peter Jennings) and later CNN through CTN, Yo! MTV Rap and American comedy tapes, comic books, love of literature etc that propelled my ability to a passably acceptable diction if not outright Dickensian maestro level in using the english language.
This brings about a very important point.
Are we associating the advantage we see from children in a certain socioeconomic bracket, the ones who can afford to go to an English Medium school but are heavily augmented by other factors at home, purely to the English medium schools?
How come I did not need an English Medium school to be rather comfortable than the average Tanzanian using this strange tongue and boosting my other social virtues mentioned above?
Am I that exceptionally gifted? Not so sure. My mom spoke French with ease, in Tanzania at that, so it's possible there could be some natural advantages with languages, but I doubt that.
My bottom line question is, if we are attributing the success to the english medium schools, since correlation does not equal causation, can we pin down the success to the english medium schools? For example by conducting a study of relatively well off children (similar to those who go to english medium schools) who are not going to english medium schools but are augmented by the same environment at home? Are there any more of those? Or is our society so stratified nowadays that this species is endangered if not extinct already?
Otherwise, the cause of the difference may lay at home, and even the thinking that making all primary schools english medium, without raising the standard of living for all, and therefore the augmenting home environment, will amount to an exercise in futility.
Brilliant argument but still not convincing, cutting out the flowery words in your post it is sufficient to say you are just an outlier, an exception to a general observed trend in our society. Generally speaking, it is not even something worth arguing over given the insurmountable mountain of evidence pointing to the advantage the fortunate ones who have gone to English Medium Schools have compared to Swahili Medium Schools(Public Schools).
In your case, you were fortunate enough to be brought in an 'English-friendly environment'. Not so many can be that lucky given that Swahili dominates our environment.
In a sample specimen of lets say a hundred Tanzanians, you are likely to meet very few with an upbringing that comes close or relate to yours.
Ceteris paribus, English medium schools' students have an advantage over the swahili medium schools' students.
Kuna uhusiano gani kati ya kiingereza na ujuzi(knowledges),utadi(skills) za mtu?
Germany(nchi inayoongoza uchumi Europe) kijerumani ndo lugha ya taifa
China,Japan,Scandinavia countries,French wanatumia lugha zao still ziko developed
Mimi nashauri kwenye interviews,madarasani etc watu wapimwe kutokana na uwezo wao wa kufikiria(IQ) na sio English
English is better mate since we use it all way long in higher school and work, we need it from primary to make our tongue easier expressing and to a better understanding, having Swahili just at primary and not using further more studying at secondary, its no point from first place, it's worth ----le, you know what I mean?. anyways, In the End, we are who we are. By the way, your English is sweet, hope your accent is just as good as you expressed (its not a compliment dude) but I still owe you one, lol.
UMESEMA UKWELI KABISA, LUGHA YA KINGEREZA SIYO SULUHISHO LA KUBORESHA USHINDANI KTK SOKO LA AJIRA, mimi kiingereza changu cha kuongea ni POOR - AVERAGE, lakini ni kiwango ambacho ninawazidi Wajerumani , Waholanzi, Wagiriki, Wajapani na Warussi ndyo kabisa kule naweza kuajiliwa nikawa Mwalimu wa kiingereza chuo kikuu, ukiancha waingereza wenyewe, wananchi ambao ni wasomi ktk nchi nyingi za Ulaya Ki-english chao ni cha kuungaunga tu, lakini wako vizuri sana ktk fani zao walizosomea?
Asante kwa kunihurumia lakini kunihurumia bila kunisahisha hainisaidii kitu. Nasubiri masahisho yako. Kama unaamini Kiranga alijifunza lugha kutokana na movies na nyimbo za Marekani (labda kuna tofauti kati ya 'movies' na 'muvy' kama ulivyoandika) nashindwa jinsi ya kuuchukulia ushauri wako. Kiranga anaweza kuwa alipata mwanga mkubwa wa lugha kutoka kwenye filamu za marekani lakini bottomline Kiranga ANASOMA na ANAPENDA KUSOMA. Acha porojo za filamu.una point nzuri lakini we jamaa kingereza chako yaan mpaka nakuhurumia, usishike dictionary na kukariri maneno, unataka kujua kingereza vizuri, zama kwenye muvy zao na muziki, usikariri vitini na dictionary, it's totally off. samahani kama ntakua nimekukera au kukukwaza, ni maoni yngu tu ili ufanikiwe zaidi kwenye uandishi na kuongea boss.
Asante kwa kunihurumia lakini kunihurumia bila kunisahisha hainisaidii kitu. Nasubiri masahisho yako. Kama unaamini Kiranga alijifunza lugha kutokana na movies na nyimbo za Marekani (labda kuna tofauti kati ya 'movies' na 'muvy' kama ulivyoandika) nashindwa jinsi ya kuuchukulia ushauri wako. Kiranga anaweza kuwa alipata mwanga mkubwa wa lugha kutoka kwenye filamu za marekani lakini bottomline Kiranga ANASOMA na ANAPENDA KUSOMA. Acha porojo za filamu.
Ni kweli, nakubaliana na mtoa hoja. Zamani ndio ilikuwa sio tija sana wakati shule za serikali zikiwa na waalimu na vifaa walau mpaka mwishoni wa 199_. Lakini kwa hizi shule za kata na walimu wa crash program ni bora english medium
I have never studied at an English Medium School before the secondary level, and even during secondary, tambaza, while sitting next to IST, was no IST.Olympio and IST notwithstanding, the craze was simply not conceived then, at least en masse. I briefly taught at one English Medium though, so I should have some first hand experience. I am told by native speakers - sometimes with offending, though genuine, astonishment where perhaps elation on my part was expected, that my verbal and written English is devoid of some telltale signs that are a characteristic of our national issues with this rather strange tongue.
In scientific research, one pitfall to be avoided is to take correlation as causation.
Perhaps it was my home library, love for American broadcasts through ABC (shouts out to Peter Jennings) and later CNN through CTN, Yo! MTV Rap and American comedy tapes, comic books, love of literature etc that propelled my ability to a passably acceptable diction if not outright Dickensian maestro level in using the english language.
This brings about a very important point.
Are we associating the advantage we see from children in a certain socioeconomic bracket, the ones who can afford to go to an English Medium school but are heavily augmented by other factors at home, purely to the English medium schools?
How come I did not need an English Medium school to be rather comfortable than the average Tanzanian using this strange tongue and boosting my other social virtues mentioned above?
Am I that exceptionally gifted? Not so sure. My mom spoke French with ease, in Tanzania at that, so it's possible there could be some natural advantages with languages, but I doubt that.
My bottom line question is, if we are attributing the success to the english medium schools, since correlation does not equal causation, can we pin down the success to the english medium schools? For example by conducting a study of relatively well off children (similar to those who go to english medium schools) who are not going to english medium schools but are augmented by the same environment at home? Are there any more of those? Or is our society so stratified nowadays that this species is endangered if not extinct already?
Otherwise, the cause of the difference may lay at home, and even the thinking that making all primary schools english medium, without raising the standard of living for all, and therefore the augmenting home environment, will amount to an exercise in futility.
Mmmmh!!!, we jamaa kwa kizungu ni noma, I am proud you can speak my mother tongue.
Bebe nang'ho!
Sio hatari wala nini, cha kawaida tu. Tatizo inawezekana viwango vyetu viko chini sana kiasi mtu anayeandika Kiingereza cha kawaida tu, kisicho exceptional in any way lakini kizuri, kinaonekana cha juu sana.
Hakuna shortcut, kusoma sana, kujifunza sana, kujenga msuli wa msamiati na ufasaha kwa miaka nenda miaka rudi, mawazo ya uchunguzi ambayo hayatachoshwa na mfumo wa ajabu wa lugha hii, matokeo yatajionesha.
Halafu kama alivyosema mdau hapo juu, zamani kidogo unaweza kumkuta Mwalimu Lulindi kaingia darasani anaanza kukueleza kuhusu Socrates na falsafa zake (form one hapo), unataka kujua zaidi huyu Socrates alikuwa nani, unakuta vitabu vyote vinavyomuelezea Socrates ni vya Kiingereza, na wewe unataka kujua, inabidi usome tu, hata kama kwa kamusi pembeni.
Siku hizi shule za kata unaweza kukuta huyo mwalimu mwenyewe wa vodafasta hajawahi kumsikia Socrates!
Kuna watu wanapiga kingereza acha bhana, huwezi amini kama ni mbongo I see, mpaka akiandika kisukuma ndio unaweza kuamini, ni noma sana."Da watu mnatema ung'eng'e kama hamna akili nzuri".
Basi nakiogopa kiingereza nisije semwa sina akili nzuri.
I am college graduate, lakini sasa hivi ukija nyumbani kwangu utakuta Vitabu kadhaa vya James Hadley Chase, yaani ndio nimeanza kuvisoma hata mwaka haujaisha, Nimeshangaa sana nilisoma kuwa wewe ulivimaliza hata kabla ya kumaliza O-LEVEL( These are more than 88 books), you deserve the English you have.
OLI LI SHINO NKOYI.