Money is a limited resource. You cannot shell out billions for big flaboyant stations when your embakasi ICD is congested and badly in need of space, Cranes for lifting cargo at Mombasa are secondhand chinese scrap that failed in day1.Hata huku Kenya reli imejengwa kwa model ya 95% freight na 5% Passenger service.... Lakini hizo percentges zinaongelea kuhusu pesa/revenue.
Haimaani eti miundombinu ya abiria inajengwa na 5% ya hela, inamaanisha kwamba biashara ya abiria haitaleta faida kama vilebiashara ya mizigo. Yani kwa kifupi, hata kama reli itabeba abiria 10 Million lakini mizigo iwe ni 5 million tonnes, faida ya mizigo bado itakua nyingi kuliko ya abiria.... Lakini haimaanishi eti kwasababu abiria 10 Million hawaleti faida basi warundikwe kwa ka stesheni kadogo hadi wengine wabidi wakae huko nje wakipigwa na jua au kunyeshewa na mvua!
Money is a limited resource. You cannot shell out billions for big flaboyant stations when your embakasi ICD is congested and badly in need of space, Cranes for lifting cargo at Mombasa are secondhand chinese scrap that failed in day1.
Anyone with half a brain will conclude that is idiotic..That is why you wount understand why Tz is doing
hapa umedondosha point ambayo ni concrete haina haja ya kupaka rangiReli ilijengwa kubeba mizigo. Revenue projections zote 90-95% ni mizigo.
Tanzania wanafahamu sana hilo..Hawakurupuki kujenga stesheni kubwa sio kwa kukosa pesa, pesa wako nayo lakini akili pia wako nayo tena ya ziada
Wacha kutumia nguvu nyingi kujaribu kusafisha idocy.View attachment 1349175
Passenger Business:
2017 from June to Dec - 699,055 Passengers , revenue $6M
2018 - from Jan - Dec - 1.6 Million Passengers, Revenue $16Million
2019 from Jan-Sept - 1.2 Million passengers, Revenue $13M
Compared to Cargo business
2018 - From Jan to Dec 2.9M tonnes --- Revenue $41 Million
2019 - From Jan to Sept 3.2M tonnes --- Revenue $74 Million
In conclusion, the Passenger side of business is actually performing very well in comparison to its cargo counterpart. The two big stations of Nairobi and Mombasa are already starting to feel over crowded during the last 1 or so hours just before boarding starts. I bet you by 2027 when they add extra passenger trains and they also build high capacity commuter trains that will take passengers to CBD from the SGR stations in both Msa and Nrb, Those stations would be on the brink!
Don't forget, Even with the size of the Kenyan stations, which are big, they thought we wouldn't have reached 500,000 passengers p.a by 2025 (roughly 1,400 Passengers a day) and we would't have gotten beyond 1 Million pax by 2039, yet here we are right now already close to 2 Million passengers p.a (which is roughly 5,000 passenger per day over the whole route) What if they had built smaller station that had maximum capacity to handle maximum of 1,400 passenger throughput per day because they never imagined we would get beyond that in the short and long term period?
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The only thing that is under performing is the cargo transport, If the passenger service outperformed projections then the cargo service should have outperformed as well. If we handled close to 4.1 Million tonnes in 2019, and we manage to handle over 5 Million tonnes in 2020. It would mean we will have exactly 5 years to double that 5M tonnes to 10 Million tonnes by 2025 for us to meet or beat the target of 10 Million tonnes by 2025 and 15 Million tonnes by 2033 and about 20 million tonnes by 2039.. SO we have work cutout for ourselves to achieve those projections...
The haters like you can say whatever they want to make themselves feel better, but as you can see from the projections of the freight service in terms of tonnage, We are not that off track, If we can manage to add at least 800,000 tonnes of additional goods to the SGR every year , we will get to that target of 10 Million tonnes and if we don't we will be very close to achieving the 2025 target....
And BTW, embakasi ICD is already overcrowded despite having a capacity of 480,000 TEU's (which is 3/4 of Dar port) because some of the cargo being dropped there is meant for other commercial centers beyond Nairobi .... The ICD was built with the design idea that will work for Nairobi and metro cargo only, and then it would be complemented by Naivasha ICD and Kisumu ICD, And Uganda cargo will go directly to Uganda where there will be another ICD there.... So don't worry your little head, Nairobi ICD won't be congested for ever. When it eventually processes goods meant only for within Nairobi region, it will be the right capacity.
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On the other hand, what kind of data do you have for your beloved Tanzania, Any Passenger projections that justify why you built tiny stations??? Any data on cargo projections ???? Kama kawa ni maneno tu bila takwimu zozote, kila siku mnataka tusikize injili ya JPM kwamba yeye pekee kama mungu mdogo ndo anajua anachofanya na akili zote Tanzania ni yeye ndo anaweza kufikiria na sisi wengine tuamini hio injili bila kuuliza maswali mengi ... I dare you to explain to me what Tanzania is doing (that I will never understand as you said) using facts backed up by evidence of numbers and figures just like I have!
Nipatie ushahidi kama vile nilivyokupatia,sio kunipigia hadithi za abunuasi hapa, umepata wapi 6000-8500 yet you mini stations can barely fit 100 people!!!! You cannot sustain that number!Wacha kutumia nguvu nyingi kujaribu kusafisha idocy.
Tanzania haitakuwa na Treni za abiria more than 2 or 3 scheduled trips per day (Max 6000-8500 pax both ways) Station zao zimejengwa ku sustain that..Reli ni ya mizigo sio watu ndio maana unaona cargo marshalling yards zinajengwa Morogoro, Dodoma na isaka.
Limbukeni ndio wanamwaga hela kwa empty stations huku cargo marshalling yards hakuna, Crane za kunyanyua mizigo ni za mtumba
Wacha kujichokesha bure. Nimekwambia Reli ni ya mizigo sio abiria. Kama mlitarajia magu ajenge mastedi maarufu vichakani poleni sana. Stedi kubwa ni Dar, Morogoro na Matukupora. Magu hashindani kwa ujinga, na tayari kwa hili amekubali kushindwa.Nipatie ushahidi kama vile nilivyokupatia,sio kunipigia hadithi za abunuasi hapa, umepata wapi 6000-8500 yet you mini stations can barely fit 100 people!!!! You cannot sustain that number!
Alafu sijui ulikua unalenga point gani kuhusu hizo marshaling yard, Every Dry port must have a marshaling yard, but a Marshaling yard is not a dry port... Yani kwa kifupi, a marshaling yard is a subset of a Dry port.
hapo Dar SGR haijafika kwa port, Marshaling yard ya Dar iko 100km from the port, eti mizigo itatoka port isafirishwe na MGR hadi kwa marshaling yard ndo ikifika hapo ipangwe tena vizuri kwa SGR.....
In Kenya mizigo inaingia kwa port ambapo masharling yard iko hapohapo, moja kwa moja mizigo inawekwa juu ya SGR..
Huku Kenya kuna berth zengine hata hazihitaji mizigo kupelekwa kwa marshaling yard ndo ipangwe juu ya SGR, Inashukiswa kutoka kwa meli hadi juu ya SGR bila kugusa sakafu! Mwanzo zile meli za Maersk ambazo wanatumia block chain solution... mizigo yao ya Nairobi kwenda mbele hupakuliwa juu kwa juu na hata haigusi sakafu Mombasa... badala ya kuandwikwa port of Destination mombasa,inaandikwa Nairobi-ICD...
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Maersk hujaza treni nzima na mizigo yao kwahivyo hata hakuna haja ya ku sort mizigo kwa marshaling yard.
Kwa kifupi umeshindwa kujieleza!Wacha kujichokesha bure. Nimekwambia Reli ni ya mizigo sio abiria. Kama mlitarajia magu ajenge mastedi maarufu vichakani poleni sana. Stedi kubwa ni Dar, Morogoro na Matukupora. Magu hashindani kwa ujinga, na tayari kwa hili amekubali kushindwa.
Ukitembea nchi za ulaya uone hali zao(Treni zao 90% ni abiria) kwa ujinga wako utawacheka kumbe wewe ndiye zero
Boss, hakuna anaye pekua pekua reli ya kenya..Udhaifu wake upo wazi na wataalam wote nje na ndani ya nchi wanashaanga ujinga uliopo hapo.Kwa kifupi umeshindwa kujieleza!
Hakuna mkenya anatarajia lolote kuhusu reli yenu (cargo-wise ), nyinyi ndo mna kazi ya kupekua pekua reli ya Kenya sijui ina wawashia nini...
Mtanzania akipost picha au video ya sgr yao hautaona mkenya akiweweseka, lakini mkenya akipost picha ya sgr yao hautakosa watanzania watao pita juu chini wajaribu ku zoom kwa picha na kutafuta kasoro... Mara mbona mnajenga stesheni nyingi,mbona ni kubwa hivyo, mbona ICD iko Naivasha... kila siku ni mbona mbona.... Alafu mkiulizwa mlete takwimu za reli yenu na ushahidi mnaishia kusifia vile magu anaelewa haya mambo kwahivyo sgr yake itakua bora kwa kila kitu....poh!
BTW Morogoro Makutupora SGR will have major stations at Kilosa, Dodoma and Makutupora!Wacha kujichokesha bure. Nimekwambia Reli ni ya mizigo sio abiria. Kama mlitarajia magu ajenge mastedi maarufu vichakani poleni sana. Stedi kubwa ni Dar, Morogoro na Matukupora. Magu hashindani kwa ujinga, na tayari kwa hili amekubali kushindwa.
Ukitembea nchi za ulaya uone hali zao(Treni zao 90% ni abiria) kwa ujinga wako utawacheka kumbe wewe ndiye zero
Hata huku Kenya reli imejengwa kwa model ya 95% freight na 5% Passenger service.... Lakini hizo percentges zinaongelea kuhusu pesa/revenue.
Haimaanishi eti miundombinu ya abiria inajengwa na 5% ya hela, inamaanisha kwamba biashara ya abiria haitaleta faida kama vile biashara ya mizigo. Yani kwa kifupi, hata kama reli itabeba abiria 10 Million lakini mizigo iwe ni 5 million tonnes, faida ya mizigo bado itakua nyingi kuliko ya abiria.... Lakini haimaanishi eti kwasababu abiria 10 Million hawaleti faida basi warundikwe kwa ka stesheni kadogo hadi wengine wabidi wakae huko nje wakipigwa na jua au kunyeshewa na mvua!
miaka 20 ijayo! 😀 😀 ☝Hizo stesheni za Kenya sio kubwa vile. 20 years from now, reli itakua electrified, higher speed, devolution has developed vijiji's so many people will be staying out of Nairobi around those stations. Sasa kama umejenga stesheni inakaa kibanda, itabidi ubomoe ujenge upya. Alafu stesheni hizi ni passing stations pia, kwa hivyo zina ofisi za operations na duka for passengers convenience. Stesheni ndogo unaweka watu nje kwa jua au mvua ni kutojali wasafiri. Case in point, JNIA, before new terminal, if you reach early you sit outside kwa joto au mvua until your time to board reaches. you had to build a new terminal which people can wait inside in decency.
Semeni tuu mlikosa pesa and cannot afford to put decent shelter for passengers.
Just imagine JNIA Terminal I ingekua imejengwa kuaccomodate watu milioni 10, ili kujenga nyingine ya kisasa ingetupasa tuitelekeze. Technology inabadilika kwa kasi kubwa, miaka tano tu ijayo unaweza kujenga terminal ingine kubwa zaidi kwa ukisasa wa wakati huoMoney is a limited resource. You cannot shell out billions for big flaboyant stations when your embakasi ICD is congested and badly in need of space, Cranes for lifting cargo at Mombasa are secondhand chinese scrap that failed in day1.
Anyone with half a brain will conclude that is idiotic..That is why you wount understand why Tz is doing
- Huezi jua, Unaeza ukajenga stesheni kubwa leo na isiwahi kujaa hata miaka 20 baadae ukawa ulipoteza pesa,
- Kwa upande mwengine unaeza ukajenga ka stesheni kadogo alafu usafiri wa reli ukashika kupindukia kila mtu anapenda kusafiri na reli, miaka 5 baadae ukakuta watu wanasimama hadi nje manake ndani ya stesheni hakuna mahali pa kukaa...
Kwahivyo stesheni kua kubwa au ndogo inafaa iendane na malengo au hesabu ya vile miji inakua kila mwaka au kila baada ya miaka kumi na kama hizo stesheni zitatosheleza abiria wa hapo mbeleni.
Kwa mfano Stesheni za Kenya zimejengewa kwa minajili ya abiria wa 2035, sio abiria wa sasa
Athi River Station
This station is expected to have a transport capacity of 237,000 people while the maximum passengers in waiting room will be 250 by 2035.
Kibwezi
The station is expected to have a transport capacity of 135,000 people while the maximum passengers in waiting room will be 150 by 2035.
Miasenyi Station
The station’s passenger delivery volume is expected to be 119,000 while the maximum passengers in waiting room will be 150 in 2035.
Voi Station
The passenger delivery volume is expected to be 249,000 while the maximum passengers in waiting room will be 250 in 2035.
Ni sawa tuanze kwanza kufanya biashara then tutaona,pia nimeipenda idea nyingine,kuna study ilikuwa inaendelea ya kutathimini matumizi bora ya ardhi maeneo yote inapopita reli ili kuspeed up maendeleo ya wananchi na kuendelea kutengeneza masoko mapya ya SGR kimkakati.Sahihi kabisa. Muhimu sana kufanya upembizi yakinifu kabla ya kuamua ukubwa wa kituo cha treni. Mfano: Wengi hushangaa kwa nini TRC waliamua station ya Dar es salaam isiwe kubwa kihiiivyo. Kumbe lengo halisi ni kuifanya ile station kuwa ya treni ya mjini ambayo iko kwenye mipango. Main SGR station huko mbeleni itakuwa/itajengwa Pugu na treni zote za abiria zitaishia hapo.
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Japokuwa kutajengwa kituo kingine Pugu kuunganisha na commutter trains na BRT wacha kuzusha hamna kitu kama hicho ati cha treni za mkoani za abiria kuishia Pugu! Soma ripoti kila kitu kinaelezwa! Huwezi kujenga madaraja yale yote kuanzia Buguruni alafu treni isifike central itakuwa akili ya kijinga!Sahihi kabisa. Muhimu sana kufanya upembizi yakinifu kabla ya kuamua ukubwa wa kituo cha treni. Mfano: Wengi hushangaa kwa nini TRC waliamua station ya Dar es salaam isiwe kubwa kihiiivyo. Kumbe lengo halisi ni kuifanya ile station kuwa ya treni ya mjini ambayo iko kwenye mipango. Main SGR station huko mbeleni itakuwa/itajengwa Pugu na treni zote za abiria zitaishia hapo.
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Japokuwa kutajengwa kituo kingine Pugu kuunganisha na commutter trains wacha kuzusha hamna kitu kama hicho ati cha treni za mkoani za abiria kuishia Pugu! Soma repoti kila kitu kinaelezwa! Huwezi kujenga madaraja yale yote kuanzia Buguruni alafu treni isifike central itakuwa akili ya kijinga!
hivi BRT kuelekea Pugu ishaanza kujengwa?True that, Pugu sasa hivi panajengwa BRT station na pia wata-upgrade kituo cha commuter train baadaye.
SGR main station itaendelea kuwa pale inapojengwa sasa ambapo ni HQ zao pia
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Usafiri wa ndege ndo uko tofauti kidogo na other mode of transportation,huu ndo pekee unakuhitaji uwahi kucheck in 2 hours before,sababu kubwa ni kupata wasaa wa kutosha kubalance,idadi ya lita za mafuta utakazoruka nazo,namna ya kupanga mizigo kwa uwiano mzuri kwa ajili ya stability,idadi ya abiria ulionao na zaidi kumpa captain muda wa kutosha kupitia checklist yake.Huku kwingine unaweza kufika hata nusu saa kabla.Fresh tu.Kafrican mkuu usafiri wa train nazani huitaji kukaa muda mrefu station kama unajua time table ya train kwa nini ukae station masaa mawili yote? Nazani station kubwa zinafaa mijini amboko wanaweza kuweka ofisi na maduka kwanye hizo stations lakini station ndogo hazina tija kabisa. Yaani kama watu wakifata ratiba na train zikawa zina fanya kazi bila shida basi hamini hakuna umuhimu wowote wa stations kubwa vijijini. Ni suala la kufika station unasubilia dakika 2 unapanda train unaenda unakoenda. Kama ni kujikinga na jua au mvua basi pratform la kawaida tu linatosha na ofisi ndogo kwa ajili ya ticket, security na labda toilet