Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Ni vile tu uko less informed. Njia za kupishania ni atleast 2km long kwa kuwa treni ya mizigo itakuwa na maximum length ya 2km behewa zikiunganishwa. Hivyo hizo njia ni ndefu kwa ajili ya goods train na si passenger trains ambazo mwisho huwa na behewa nane tu (EMU).

Labda uniambie hufahamu tofauti ya treni hizi.
 
Frequency ya trains (passenger) kwa Dar - Moro ishatolewa sema tatizo wengi hamfatilii habari kutoka primary sources (TRC na serikali) bali mnapenda stori za kuokoteza vijiweni. CEO Kadogosa kalielezea sana hili.

Kwamba vituo vya kupishania ni vichache siyo kweli. Kwenye strech ya 200km Dar- Moro kuna stations 6 na vituo vya kupishania 6 pia. Hivyo treni zitaweza kupishania kwenye vituo karibu 12.

Given speed kubwa ya treni waiting haitakuwa kubwa ya pungufu ya dk 15 kwa maeneo mengi.

Kama bado hujaelewa utakuwa na shida kubwa.
 
Nairobi to mombasa has 23 crossing stations and 7 passenger stations and we do 4 passenger trains a day over a similar distance with 13 freight trains to Nairobi. So Dar moro unless there is a high amount of waiting for trains to finish passing through a section, frequency wont be as high as you claim. Also what are the dynamics of Morogoro to Dar passenger potential? Are the current roads congested with people going to Morogoro like nai-msa? Because that is a good predictor of volume of passengers who will actually use the train
 
ticket cost is always the determinant! electrical SGR Tanzania at 160 km/h has a room to compete with road users! Stop comparing ur museum SGR to Tanzania's!
 
Renegotiate SGR loan terms to avoid default, House tells Kenyan Treasury

MONDAY JUNE 22 2020


SGR cargo train at the Nairobi terminus on April 27, 2019. Kenyan law makers want the government to renegotiate the loan agreements signed with China for the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR). PHOTO | FILE | NMG

In Summary
  • Mombasa-Nairobi train service is not generating enough to cover its operational costs and defray loans whose repayment starts in the current financial year.
  • The National Treasury is seeking a whopping Ksh94 billion ($940 million) in interest and principal instalments to pay off the Chinese government, Chinese Exim Bank and the China Development Bank before the end of this month.

By JAMES ANYANZWA
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Kenyan law makers want the government to renegotiate the loan agreements signed with China for the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) whose viability has come into question despite injection of billions of dollars into the project.

The EastAfrican has learnt that the National Treasury is seeking a whopping Ksh94 billion ($940 million) in interest and principal instalments to pay off the Chinese government, Chinese Exim Bank and the China Development Bank before the end of this month.

Interestingly, this amount excludes the Ksh38 billion ($380 million) in accumulated bills owed to Africa Star Railway Operation Company Ltd (Afristar) the Chinese firm operating the railway line.

In April, Treasury Cabinet Secretary Ukur Yatani tabled a supplementary Budget before parliament seeking approval to allocate funds to pay off the Chinese Government Ksh180.71 million ($1.8 million), Chinese Exim Bank Ksh71.4 billion ($714 million) and China Development Bank Ksh22.34 billion ($223.4 million).

During the mini-budget Mr Yatani reduced the debt redemption (excluding interest) to the Chinese Exim Bank by Ksh10.53 billion ($105.3 million) to Ksh23.03 billion ($230.3 million) from Ksh33.56 billion ($335.6 million).

But it remains unclear whether there was an agreement with Chinese Exim Bank or the amount will be carried forward as pending bills.

TOUGH TIMES AHEAD
“There are some investment decisions we have taken that are not in the best interest of the country, so it is time we start re-evaluating them and renegotiating with people who gave us the money so that we are able to survive. We must renegotiate our debts with the Chinese otherwise we are headed for a very difficult time,” Kimani Ichung’wa, chairman of the Parliamentary Budget and Appropriate Committee told The EastAfrican.

“It is very easy to resolve this issue of loan repayment by just sitting down with the Chinese and telling them we made a mistake. We owe you all this money but you are also demanding so much from us in terms of repayment. This is a debt. Look, our economy is beaten and we are not able to pay. We are not saying the debt is not there, but we simply want to renegotiate what we owe you and the terms of payment.”

Beijing, the single largest creditor to Africa, has already agreed to suspend both principal repayments and interest payments starting May 1, 2020, until the end of the year for many African countries struggling to cope with the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic.

According to Mr Ichung’wa the heavy investment in SGR, particularly the section between Nairobi and Naivasha is questionable in terms of its viability.

“It time we ask ourselves what we are getting from the SGR and take a walk down to Naivasha. How many trains utilise this railway?” queried Ichung’wa.

“If you read our Public Investments Committee report in the past parliament, you know that the viability of the line ends here (Nairobi), unless if you interconnected the port of Mombasa with landlocked countries, but without that interconnection, it is not possible.”

Kenya has been pushing for compulsory freight from Mombasa to Naivasha via the SGR to make it economically viable, a move that has put the country on to a collision course with some of its regional peers and truck drivers.

Early this month, the presidents of Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan agreed vide a virtual meeting that all goods imported through Kenya with final destinations being neighbouring landlocked countries be transported on the SGR from Mombasa to Naivasha Inland Container deport.

However, Uganda backed out of the deal arguing the use of SGR should be optional and not compulsory.

TRUCKERS’ DILEMMA
On the other hand, truck drivers complain loss of jobs and businesses if forced to use the SGR to ferry cargo.

Kenya completed its initial phase of the 487 km SGR line from Mombasa to Nairobi at a cost of $3.8 billion with the bulk of the loan secured from the Chinese Exim Bank in May 2014 with a grace period of five years and repayment period of 15 years. It also secured a further $ 1.5 billion loan from the same bank to extend the SGR network to Naivasha, 120 km west of Nairobi.

But Madaraka Express operating between Mombasa and Nairobi is not generating enough revenues to cover its operational costs and repay the loans whose repayment starts in the current the fiscal year (2019/20).

Although Kenya has completed its initial phase of the project linking Mombasa to Nairobi, and the second phase from Nairobi to Naivasha the subsequent phases from Naivasha to Kisumu and then to Malaba (Uganda) has stalled largely due to funding constraints.

Concerns over SGR’s viability have caused Uganda to show little enthusiasm for the grand project prompting the government to consider restoring the old railway line linking Kampala to Malaba on the Kenyan border.

Kenyan MPS urge Treasury to renegotiate SGR loan terms
 

My brother it seems hujaelewa kabisa..

Kwanza unlike Mombasa-Nairobi railway, Dar Moro ni kipande cha kwanza, they are now constructing Moro-Makutupora via Dodoma. So phase one itakuwa na passenger trains za kwenda Morogoro but that doesn't mean ndio mwisho wa reli. In2 years service ya Dar-Dodoma itaanza and as you know, Dodoma IS THE CAPITAL OF TANZANIA.

Kuhusu kupishana etc. Kwanza SGR ya Tanzania sio slow kama ya Kenya, it is 160km/h (passenger) na 120km/h (cargo), so design ya crossings imezingatia hayo. In the long run, Dar-Mwanza railway itakuwa inahudumia watu wengi Zaidi na Cargo nyingi kuliko Mmbasa-Nrb railway, also that has been considered in the design.

So enlighten yourself na tafuta taarifa zaidi.
 
Sasa kama haujui "traffic" ya Dar - Moro nini kinakufanya udhani kwamba hakuna uhitaji mkubwa? Pia uache kufananisha possibility ya high frequency kwa garimoshi na EMU. Subiri operations zianze ndiyo utaelewa vema.
 
Sasa kama haujui "traffic" ya Dar - Moro nini kinakufanya udhani kwamba hakuna uhitaji mkubwa? Pia uache kufananisha possibility ya high frequency kwa garimoshi na EMU. Subiri operations zianze ndiyo utaelewa vema.
Aside being industrial and agriculture hub, Morogoro kuna Sokoine University of Agriculture (largest higher learning institution for agriculture and veterinary in East and Central Africa), Mzumbe University, Muslim University, Jordan University, Saint Francis University College of Health and Applied Science (SFUCHS), Morogoro Teacher's college, Ifakara Health Institute, Railway college na TPDF Airbase Ngerengere (most modern airbase in EA).

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