Geza Ulole
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source ya hii report? Nimekuambia toka China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC) !
source ya hii report? Nimekuambia toka China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC) !Mbona matusi tena, tulia utolewe ushamba!
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Some receiving and Departing tracks along passenger stations are of Class II standards
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So as you can see, hakuna mahali wametaja lolote kuhusu Diesel au Electric in the same paragraph as Class specification... Whenever they mention class I or II, they are talking things to do with subgrade material and specifications, Width and Height of slope, embarkment protection, safety specification for both civilians and wildlife etc..
Mda mwingine usijifany unajua kumbe pimbi tu...sasa how can you relate roads with rail as an example to justify your statement? Only a fool can do that....[emoji1787] [emoji1787] There is NO electrical standard "of AREMA classification"
AREMA standard ni equivalent na Chinese Class II standards. Basically AREMA standard is equivalent to Tazara railway or the Djibouti- Ethiopia SGR (which is electric BTW)
Na BTW Kila mwenye technolojia anaipatia jina, so for you to claim Chinese standards as non-existent when it is the Chinese themselves who came up with the classification (you know that they have the largest rail network in the world - built within the last 30 years) ... Kwa mfano do you know how they classify bridges? It goes something like :
- Major bridge
- Supa bridge
- Supa Major Bridge
- Supa Major Major bridge.
- Supa Supa Major bridge
You can see how the bridge naming standard starts to get ridiculous the higher you go, the Americans have their own naming standard and the Brits, EU have their own naming system... You cannot go claiming the Chinese one is non-existent just because you don't like how they name them.... So Chinese class I is Chinese Class I whether you like it or not... Na kama haujui tofauti ya AREMA na Chinese Class I , all you have to do is ask... Wacha kujiaibisha kwa kuongeza mambo ya diesel vs electric kwenye rail standards.
For you to know how ridiculous your argument is, think of roads and how there are different classifications of road standards... Do the civil engineers care whether the engines of the trucks, saloon, vans using the highway are electric, petrol or diesel powered? No they don't! It doesn't even cross their mind... Kama Barbara ni ya mjini watajenga na stardards tofauti, kama Barbara ni ya mashambani watajenga na stardards tofauti .... Kama majority ya magari yatatumia petroli basi watajenga petrol station kadhaa along the road, na kama majority ni electric vehicle basi wataweka charging stations along the road, lakini standard ya barabara itakua ni ileile .... Sawa sawa na vile SGR ya Kenya inaweza kuekwa umeme na treni ziwe electric, hakuna lolote watakalobomoa kwenye reli renyewe! Wataongezea tu electric poles na overhead power lines, but standard iliotumika kujenga railroad itabaki ileile ya Chinese Class I
Ata hii 7m am 101% sure haijawahi fikishaReli zote mbili zimejengwa na mchina kama flagship projects, hapo ndo mwisho wa similarities zinaisha.... i.e. Reli ya Tazara ni reli ya 7m tonnes (Kama sijakosea), Reli ya Kenya SGR ni reli ya 22m tonnes!!! Worlds apart!
And when they talk about classification standards, these are some of the parameters that they use to differentiate class I and class II
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So for class I, they will use different mixture of Subgrade surface below the railway
The slopes and Embankment will have protection.
The fill material will be different, the embankment will be different height and with and material...etc
While for class II railway, they use same measurements as the AREMA standards!
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Alafu unaona mijitu inakuja na arguments za kuchekesha kama Electrical SGR vs Diesel Class I kana kwamba electric mortor VS Diesel Engine ndo rail standard!
You were given a very big head with zero brain inside it. Rail is like a road, there's no diesel or electric rails or road as have you been yapping here.Mda mwingine usijifany unajua kumbe pimbi tu...sasa how can you relate roads with rail as an example to justify your statement? Only a fool can do that....
You becoming more stupid as time goes by 😂😂.source ya hii report? Nimekuambia toka China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC) !
Kwa kifupi hauna uwezo wa kufikiria, nyamaza kama hauna la kuchangia pita kimya kimyaMda mwingine usijifany unajua kumbe pimbi tu...sasa how can you relate roads with rail as an example to justify your statement? Only a fool can do that....
Oh, wait, original design capacity ya Tazara ni 5 Million tonnes just like the MGR, haijawahi kufikisha hio capacity, MGR yetu ya 1901 ilikua inabeba mizigo mingi kuliko Tazara yao back in 2010Ata hii 7m am 101% sure haijawahi fikisha
Ata 3.5m
SGR is not just a single phenomenon but a system, so for that reason there are two types of SGR; diesel SGR as well as electrical SGR kama utaki kunya boga [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]You were given a very big head with zero brain inside it. Rail is like a road, there's no diesel or electric rails or road as have you been yapping here.
Nilijua tu lazima ungekuja hapa kumwaga ujinga wako😂😂. Railway is always about the line, hizo zako ni make up tu. It's what is using the line ndio inaezakuwa powered by either electric, diesel or both, or even steam and coal. You have to understand that railway is immobile, just like road.SGR is not just a single phenomenon but a system, so for that reason there are two types of SGR; diesel SGR as well as electrical SGR kama utaki kunya boga [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
This should be information from a constructor and not someone in Dandora!And Incase you are wondering about the difference between Class I and Class II Chinese Standards... Again, Uganda Ministry has some side by side comparison between Ethiopia SGR which is Class II and Uganda SGR wich will be class 1...
I have Highlighted where the major Differences come in between Class I and Class II specification
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Show as masahani na sufuria za wali and chakula nzuri.
Unaendelea kuandika mafiii...ivi nikulize kitu we kizuu unaweza endesha train ya umem apo kweny hiyo sgr yenu ? Kama haiwezekani iwaje utumie mfano mafii kama huo wa magari kwenye rail way?....Kwa kifupi hauna uwezo wa kufikiria, nyamaza kama hauna la kuchangia pita kimya kimya
Jinga lingine, unaweza chukua train ya umeme ukaiendesha api kunya sahii? Kama haiwezekani basi ujue unatumia mafii kifikiria kama mwenzio...na wacheni ujinga wa kulinganisha roads na railYou were given a very big head with zero brain inside it. Rail is like a road, there's no diesel or electric rails or road as have you been yapping here.
Duh kwa hiyo electrical cable za kazi engineer?Electrical cable Haina uhusiano wowote na standards ya reli, ingiza kwa akili yako!