East African Federation (EAF) public Views

Federation referendum planned

2007-04-09 08:52:45
By Patrick Kisembo
An assurance has been given that it will be the electorate in the East African Community states who will ultimately decide whether the regional bloc should adopt a political federation.

The Chairman of the National Committee for Collecting People`s views on the establishment of the East African Federation, Prof Samuel Wangwe, made the affirmation in Dar es Salaam on Saturday.

He said the government was going to respect the will of the people, who would then decide the fate of EAC in a referendum in 2010.

?All East Africans will get a chance to decide whether EAc should adopt a political federation or not through the referendum in 2010,? he said.

Prof Wangwe was addressing the press on the development of his committee?s activities.

He said the committee work was just to collect and educate people about the EAF.

He refuted assertions by the press that the majority of Tanzanians did not want to join the federation.

?What the people we have visited are saying is that they will join the federation but some conditions have to be met,? he said.

He also refuted claims that the Zanzibar President was against the federation, saying: ?We met Zanzibar President Amani Abeid Karume and he was very positive.?
· SOURCE: GUARDIAN



Nivyema kupiga kura mwaka 2010.Wananchi wa nchi zote Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda na Burundi wapige kura mwaka huo 2010. Porf. Wangwe hasemi ukweli kuhusu rais Karume na mawazo ya Watanzaia wote kuhusu federation.
 
JIANG ALIPO

http://www.dailynews-tsn.com/page.php?id=6313

Then now kuna umuhimu gani wa kukimbilia kuongeza matatizo huko kwenye federation?
 
Nampa big up sana muheshimiwa kwa kuandaa misa huko uk, au jina lake haliendani na itikadi yake ya kidini?
kama vianendana kwangu mimi ni changamoto, kama jina na itikadi havina uwiano kwa sasa sina comment
Nafikiri hakuana tatizo kwa misa kuandaliwa kwa ajili ya TZ
 

Yaliyochangia kutofahamu kiingereza yalijijenga kwa muda mrefu, na sisi hatukuona umuhimu wa kubobea katika kiingereza kwa sababu kwa kiasi fulani tulikuwa hatuko-exposed kwenye soko la ajira zaidi ya lile la ndani, ambalo by and large lilihitaji tu Kiswahili!

Nina imani mambo yatabadilika sasa, actually sababu mojawapo ya kushamiri hizi zinazoitwa international schools ni kwa sababu ya wazazi, (ambao baadhi yao kiingereza ni tatizo) pamoja na mengineyo, kutaka watoto wao wajue Kiingereza.

Umefika wakati sasa kwamba Watanzania wanalazimika kujua lugha hii muhimu. So its just a matter of time, I believe we will be there!

Lakini zaidi ya hayo labda katika EAC nafikiri ingefaa tutumie Kiswahili badala ya Kiingereza? Kama African Union ina-accept Kiswahili kama lugha muhimu barani, ni kichekesho sisi wenyewe kuacha kukuza na kuitumia lugha hii!
 

I also agree that for progress the answer is not in isolation, but participation. I believe what is been advocated here by most Tanzanians is a fear that they will be reduced to a backyard market for goods and services from the other countries. You can not blame them for that. They know from experience, that what others are looking for is economic domination.

Kenyans for example wants to sell, not buy! You hardly find Tanzanian goods in Kenyan shops. Don't tell me there aren't any. Unions cant be any good until Tanzanian goods (at least those that we now know can compete) are on Kenyans shelves side by side with other goods from Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi. Otherwise, what good is a Union for?

If in a Union you have others that are in too weak a position, measures need to be put in place that to level the field, at least for some time. In EU, they have measures to redress some countries that are backward. I believe we need such measures here as well.

By pooling together the resources of the East African countries is the quickest and best way of increasing FDI.
Fine, but if I were a Tanzanian, I will likely be asking myself where those FDI will likely go? What difference does it make for me? Jobs? Well can a Tanzanian get a job in Kenya, however qualified? I know several that have somehow found a job in Kenya (mostly through some international org) that have been killed already! We could agree on sharing of placement of those FDI! But that failed in the past EAC, as Kenyans did not like it.

A Union have to be beneficial to all, and convincing measures towards that need to be put in place for Tanzanians to be "appeased" into the Union. We certainly have to start somewhere, but that somewhere, I believe, is what Tanzanians are looking for!
 
Thanks East African people!

I like the move... Now we're discussing and not abusing as before. No more probs!

Keep it up b'se it reduces administration things and make us trust our members more n more.

If note registered please register by following the registration procedures.

See our main page at www.JamboForums.com which has all details on how to register.

Karibu sana!
 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/swahili/news/story/2004/06/000000_leoafrica.shtml
 

King Oyo during the celebrations to mark his 11th year in power on March 4, 2006.​


http://www.nationmedia.com/eastafrican/current/Magazine/Magazine160407.htm

Je Tanzania ipo tayari kurudisha machifu?
 
Ditch EU constitution, says Blair




http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=4693758

Haya hiyo ndio EU ambayo kila uchwao tunaambiwa ni mfano.
 

http://allafrica.com/stories/200704161633.html

Good News indeed.
 
""Following this meeting, Prof Samuel Wangwe, who heads the Tanzanian commission, told journalists last week in a press conference that the review was not meant to compare statistics as to how many people want the Federation, instead it aimed to review how far the exercise had gone and what have been the challenges and improvements that are needed."""

😕 😱

Hii kamati mie inanichanganya tuliambiwa inakusanya maoni.Hivi maana ya maoni ni nini??? Leo imekula U-turn la nguvu na kusema inaelemisha duuuuuuuuuuuu

Kama tupo macho vizuri utangundua watanzania kila kukicha tunapigwa mabao ya visigino
Huu ni mradi wa watu wakujinufaisha yani ni kama Richmonds ila kwa staili bora kabisa
Walichokifanya ni kutupagawisha na shirikisho ili tukimbilie na sisi wananchi tuchangie wakipata mwanya ya kuunda kamati wajichotee mapesa.
mie binafsi sijapata wasaa wa kutoa maoni ana kwa ana na hata kuonana na hiyo kamati, kwa walio pata wasaa kuonana nao na hata kutoa maoni naomba niwaulize swali la msingi nalo ni hivi ukiulizwa na ukatoa maoni baada ya hapo unalipwa pesa na hiyo kamati??
Kama hapana hayo mabilioni ya pesa yametumika je? kununua limu za karatasi ??
Ebwana wanafunzi kila kukicha wanandamana kudai sh milioni mbili -tatu wasome kwa mstaherehe tena kwa mwaka mzima
leo kamati isiyo na miguu wala kichwa kwa mda mfupi mno inatumia zaidi ya bilioni tatu ambazo zingesomesha wanafunzi vyuo vikuu kwa mwaka zaidi ya wanafunzi elfu moja
Watanzania tuamkeni tupinge huu ubadhilifu ,tunafanywa wenda wazimu
Migomo si wanafunzi tuu hata wasio pia wanaweza kuandamana kushinikiza mambo yaende sawa
Hivi tutasinzia mpaka lini?? au kupiga domokaya hadi lini????
 
We Mkama wewe!

U-turn za Afrika Mashariki umezisahau sio?

Kumbuka... Hata "Mama Nganza/Mkwizu/Mchizi" walipiga U-turn enzi zile tupo Mwanza!

Remember that? Yes, ndo usanii wenyewe! Maoni raia wakubali wasikubali hayana maana lakini uzuri ni kuwa tumeongea mapema na pindi kukitokea issue tutakula nao sahani moja! Watwambie nani kawaruhusu kutupeleka kwenye hiyo Federation ambayo tunajua more than 50% HATUITAKI.

We're not fools to that extent. Waache wafanye lakini wajue ni at their own risks!

Nshachoka kuikataa hii Federation kwa maandishi; imebakia nakataa kwa kutikisa kichwa tu!
 
Mama ngaza alitupeleka puta na kula u turn anavyotaka kwa sababu tulikua tunakaa kwa kutikisa vichwa yeye anadhani tumekubali
Maana mnyakyusa anavyotikisa kichwa kuashiria kukubali msukuma kwake ni kukataa sasa kumbe tulitakiwa kukataa kwa matendo
Tuige mifano ya Kalama pigana hadi haki itendeke
 
Kuna sababu za msingi kuunda shirikisho hilo.....
 

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Nchi zote zinazokimbilia EU ni masikini na mategemeo yao ni kukomboka kwa pesa za bure kutoka nchi tajiri. Sisi wote masikini tunataka kuungana kwa shinikizo la watawala waliotutenganisha mwanzo lakini sasa wanataka kututawala vizuri zaidi ili waweze kutoa amri moja na wote tufyate mkia. Huu ni ukoloni unaotaka kurudi kwa mlango wa nyuma kwani matatizo yetu hayafanani na huko mbele ni kutaka kutunyamazisha. Kama kweli muungano unatakiwa ni bora twende kwenye hiyo 'super state' ya kuunganisha Afrika nzima sio kikanda kama wanavyotaka.
 
Nakubaliana nawe kwamba huu ndio ule Ukoloni Mamboleo ambao tulihadharishwa sana na hayati Kwame Nkurumah, Rais wa kwanza wa Ghana. Ninyi ambao ni vijana sasa someni kitabu cha Dr.K.Nkurmah kuhusu NEO COLONIALISM.Nchi nyingi za EU za sasa hazina madini ya kutosha na nyingine hazima kabisa.Hii ndiyo sababu za EU kutafuta mbinu mpya za kunyonya East Afrika kwa vile tuna dhahabu,makaa ya mawe,gesi pamoja na mafuta.

Tukiunganisha nchi zote za Afrika basi tutakuwa kama hiyo EU kwani kuna nchi tajiri za Afrika kama Nigeria, Afrika ya Kusini na Libya. Tutakuwa na soko letu kubwa sana.

Pia namuunga mkono Rais mstaafu Mkapa:


Mkapa tells Africa to overcome historical legacy

2007-04-21 09:19:30
By Patrick Kisembo
Former President Benjamin Mkapa has said Africa cannot forever hold its history responsible for its current levels of poverty or as an excuse for bad governance and lack of reform.

The former Tanzanian president made the remarks when presenting his paper tilted `Leadership for Growth, Development and Poverty Reduction: An African Viewpoint and Experience` at the World Bank?s Commission for Growth and Development in New York, US, recently.

In his speech, which will be part of the collections of the commission that will be published when the commission finishes its duties, Mkapa said Africa must not forget its history, but African resolve and African spirit must not be imprisoned by it.

?Fifty years after Ghana`s independence, Africa can and should now seek to conquer the negative legacies of its history and engender a new trajectory of its development towards a more prosperous era,? he noted.

Mkapa said: ?I believe that a discussion of leadership and governance in Africa will be seriously deficient if it fails to put previous and current leadership, and the developmental challenges they faced and continue to face, in their proper historical, cultural and sociological context.?

The Tanzanian Third Phase Government President noted that he holds no brief for those African leaders who looted or tyrannized their countries.

?I hold no brief for those African leaders who looted or tyrannized their countries. Africa`s historical legacy is not an excuse for such things; but it provides an explanation.

For instance, there is no doubt that the mess that is beginning to be sorted out in the DRC is the direct consequence of King Leopold II, of Belgian colonialism and of the Cold War. Likewise, the 1994 genocide in Rwanda was a direct consequence of certain aspects of Belgian colonialism,? he noted.

Mkapa said there had been considerable debate about how much European colonial legacy impacted on post-colonial Africa; and what influence the legacy continues to have on the African continent.

He said the debate had gone further to discussing how helpful and constructive, or unhelpful and destructive, was the colonial legacy in terms of the development of post - colonial Africa and how responsible was this legacy for the quality and character of post-colonial Africa leadership.
 


EAC Federation for whom??????????????????????
 

Sijui hawa wabunge wa CHADEMA na TLP wanajuwa hali za majimbo wanayoongoza. Wakati mwingine kweli wabunge wa upinzani wanasaidia sana kuua demokrasia halisi pale kwetu kwa vile wanaonekana kama ahwasaidii chochote kwenye masilahi ya wa wanachi wao na wapo wapo tu.
 
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