Ego is the Enemy
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HOW DO CFD BROKERS OPERATE???
Ok, here goes. This information is what I gained from talking to the head trader at City Index.
I can split them up in discussion points
1/
CFD brokers basically split clients into two categories. A book clients and B book clients. It is not their profitability that decides whether they are A Book or B book. It is the size of their trades.
If an A book client trades, brokers will tend to hedge their exposure, as most CFD brokers have a maximum risk limit they want to have on their books. This is usually decided by the board of the company.
If a B book client trades, then the broker will do nothing – unless a sufficient amount of B book clients all trade in the same direction and it approaches the maximum risk a CFD broker is prepared to have on their books.
2/
A CFD is essentially an artificial product. It is an agreement between you and the broker to exchange the net result of your trading – in monetary terms. It means you never physically own what you trade. If you trade say Facebook shares on a CFD, you don’t actually become a Facebook shareholder.
It also means that whenever you do trade, your trade does not actually impact the “flow” in the market.
3/
As CFD traders (and spread betting/spread trading traders) we are essentially trading on the prices that is produced by demand and supply in the underlying market. The broker makes those prices available to us from exchanges all over the world. However, instead of having individual relationships with say Chicago Board of Trade and Chicago Mercantile, CFD brokers will get ALL their prices through what is known as liquidity providers. These liquidity providers has made it their job to make a market for CFD brokers. Some of the most famous liquidity providers are LMAX and Goldman Sachs.
4/
Price spikes happen. Bad data happens. Especially on the open on a Sunday night. I have been on the receiving end many times and it is frustrating when it happens, BUT I have NEVER EVER been with a broker that pushed the market on their quotes just to stop out clients. I have traded with ALL the major CFD brokers in the world, and not once did I see any of them cheat like that.
I think the reason is that they can never get away with it, with the exception of the periods of time when they make a market during the night when the underlying market is closed. EVEN SO, it is very dangerous for them to do so for two reasons:
a/ their reputation will be shot to pieces
b/ they open themselves up to “arbitrage” if they artificially move the price beyond the norm. I can explain that really quickly.
Say BROKER X is 15,810-815 in DAX during the night, and BROKER Y is 15,810-815 as well. Now broker Y decides to take out a bunch of stops to cheat their clients. So, they go 15,840-845. Well, they may have taken out stops, but they also have the potential of other brokers seeing that (all CFD brokers have accounts with all the other CFD brokers!!!!!) and now SELLING SHORT at 15,840, and then buying it back somewhere else immediately at 15,815. That is arbitrage or – as I call it – RISK FREE MONEY.
I hope this makes sense to you. Please stop thinking the broker is working against you and they want you to lose. Do you know how much it cost for a broker to acquire your business – from a marketing point of you? We are talking about big bucks. Companies like PLUS 500 spend millions a month on marketing. Why would they spend so much money on acquiring your business, only to then want to get rid of you? They know you will statistically lose the money anyway. They just have to wait for you to be “human”, meaning you become impatient, or you refuse to take a loss.
Does this make more sense to you now?
Ok, here goes. This information is what I gained from talking to the head trader at City Index.
I can split them up in discussion points
1/
CFD brokers basically split clients into two categories. A book clients and B book clients. It is not their profitability that decides whether they are A Book or B book. It is the size of their trades.
If an A book client trades, brokers will tend to hedge their exposure, as most CFD brokers have a maximum risk limit they want to have on their books. This is usually decided by the board of the company.
If a B book client trades, then the broker will do nothing – unless a sufficient amount of B book clients all trade in the same direction and it approaches the maximum risk a CFD broker is prepared to have on their books.
2/
A CFD is essentially an artificial product. It is an agreement between you and the broker to exchange the net result of your trading – in monetary terms. It means you never physically own what you trade. If you trade say Facebook shares on a CFD, you don’t actually become a Facebook shareholder.
It also means that whenever you do trade, your trade does not actually impact the “flow” in the market.
3/
As CFD traders (and spread betting/spread trading traders) we are essentially trading on the prices that is produced by demand and supply in the underlying market. The broker makes those prices available to us from exchanges all over the world. However, instead of having individual relationships with say Chicago Board of Trade and Chicago Mercantile, CFD brokers will get ALL their prices through what is known as liquidity providers. These liquidity providers has made it their job to make a market for CFD brokers. Some of the most famous liquidity providers are LMAX and Goldman Sachs.
4/
Price spikes happen. Bad data happens. Especially on the open on a Sunday night. I have been on the receiving end many times and it is frustrating when it happens, BUT I have NEVER EVER been with a broker that pushed the market on their quotes just to stop out clients. I have traded with ALL the major CFD brokers in the world, and not once did I see any of them cheat like that.
I think the reason is that they can never get away with it, with the exception of the periods of time when they make a market during the night when the underlying market is closed. EVEN SO, it is very dangerous for them to do so for two reasons:
a/ their reputation will be shot to pieces
b/ they open themselves up to “arbitrage” if they artificially move the price beyond the norm. I can explain that really quickly.
Say BROKER X is 15,810-815 in DAX during the night, and BROKER Y is 15,810-815 as well. Now broker Y decides to take out a bunch of stops to cheat their clients. So, they go 15,840-845. Well, they may have taken out stops, but they also have the potential of other brokers seeing that (all CFD brokers have accounts with all the other CFD brokers!!!!!) and now SELLING SHORT at 15,840, and then buying it back somewhere else immediately at 15,815. That is arbitrage or – as I call it – RISK FREE MONEY.
I hope this makes sense to you. Please stop thinking the broker is working against you and they want you to lose. Do you know how much it cost for a broker to acquire your business – from a marketing point of you? We are talking about big bucks. Companies like PLUS 500 spend millions a month on marketing. Why would they spend so much money on acquiring your business, only to then want to get rid of you? They know you will statistically lose the money anyway. They just have to wait for you to be “human”, meaning you become impatient, or you refuse to take a loss.
Does this make more sense to you now?