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helooow JF members!! 🙂 Its a relief that i finaly joined in. NIMEKUJA KIUBISHI UBISHI FOR PEOPLE WANAONDELEZA PROPAGANDA ZA DINI. Lol.

I'm a female. Niko Dar. I'm an agnostic but on most occasions i consider myself an atheist. I was so surprised kujua there are atheists in Tanzania, through JF. Toka nimejua i never stoped dropping in here. The atheist i'm most familiar with in here is KIRANGA and hes my anonymous role model. Lol

I mean most people i know are so ignorant and indoctrinated and never think for themselves so i thought niko pekeangu. And sikujua vyuoni wanafundisha mambo ya religion, atleast not in Tz!! (how ignorant of me)

So it will be exciting knowing 'all' of u, and share knowledge, u know hatuwezi kusomea kila kitu, and help eachother out. HOPE I WONT BE DISCRIMINATED COZ OF MY FAITH 🙁 🙁.

Athante kwa kuthoma! 🙂
 
Karibu sana bubbs jamvini, huwezi kutengwa kwa imani yako, mbona Kiranga tunaishi naye vizuri tu na sisi wengine jamaa ni role model..!
 
aaaww napiga kisante sana Bw. Katavi. U an atheist too? 🙂
 
helooow JF members!! 🙂 Its a relief that i finaly joined in. NIMEKUJA KIUBISHI UBISHI FOR PEOPLE WANAONDELEZA PROPAGANDA ZA DINI. Lol.

I'm a female. Niko Dar. I'm an agnostic but on most occasions i consider myself an atheist. I was so surprised kujua there are atheists in Tanzania, through JF. Toka nimejua i never stoped dropping in here. The atheist i'm most familiar with in here is KIRANGA and hes my anonymous role model. Lol

I mean most people i know are so ignorant and indoctrinated and never think for themselves so i thought niko pekeangu. And sikujua vyuoni wanafundisha mambo ya religion, atleast not in Tz!! (how ignorant of me)

So it will be exciting knowing 'all' of u, and share knowledge, u know hatuwezi kusomea kila kitu, and help eachother out. HOPE I WONT BE DISCRIMINATED COZ OF MY FAITH 🙁 🙁.

Athante kwa kuthoma! 🙂

Shukurani.

Avumaye baharini Kiranga, kuna mkuu PlanckScale pia ingawa sijamuona siku nyingi, kuna Nyani Ngabu a professed agnostic. Watu wapo.

Skeptics ndio kibao.

I am raising the bar. To most people religion represent morality, but counterintuitively, reasoned secular humanism in the form of atheism may present us with an even better system.One that is open, more scientific and sheds any allusion to the supernatural.

Nimefurahi kujua kuna watu wengi wanaofikiria nje ya traditional belief systems pia.

JF (majority anyway) has been surprisingly accommodating, partly because it is a zoo anyway, a good characteristic for freedom of speech to prevail, partly I would like to think it is because of some irrefutable classical arguments I present here.

Atheism, like religion, is a double edged sword.Used wisely it could elevate humankind, and of course used unwisely, it could be license to chaos and anarchy. Many see only the latter, not the former. While they see the former and not the latter for religion.

It has to do with the milk we suckle while very young.

Mostly.

Teach the children appropriately.
 
Shukurani.

Avumaye baharini Kiranga, kuna mkuu PlanckScale pia ingawa sijamuona siku nyingi, kuna Nyani Ngabu a professed agnostic. Watu wapo.

Skeptics ndio kibao.

I am raising the bar. To most people religion represent morality, but counterintuitively, reasoned secular humanism in the form of atheism may present us with an even better system.One that is open, more scientific and sheds any allusion to the supernatural.

Nimefurahi kujua kuna watu wengi wanaofikiria nje ya traditional belief systems pia.

JF (majority anyway) has been surprisingly accommodating, partly because it is a zoo anyway, a good characteristic for freedom of speech to prevail, partly I would like to think it is because of some irrefutable classical arguments I present here.

Atheism, like religion, is a double edged sword.Used wisely it could elevate humankind, and of course used unwisely, it could be license to chaos and anarchy. Many see only the latter, not the former. While they see the former and not the latter for religion.

It has to do with the milk we suckle while very young.

Mostly.

Teach the children appropriately.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I'm finally writting to u! Lol. Helow Bw. Kiranga. Did i mention your my role model? I admire u alot. U know tooo much and una writting skills which some people like me don't so debating on the net is difficult. when i read your posts i have to google after every two sentences lol. Ofcourse u make very strong arguments. Maybe u could help some of us and use simpler english 😛

Yes, i've read Nyani Ngabu's posts too, and a few others, i think i have to show my gratitude to all of them. Nimewaquote sanaaa...

Wow, i've never heard of 'secular humanism', that sounds good. Sounds fair and reasonable, unlike religious 'morals'.

Shouldn't there be movements basi kuweka awareness in this country? History will make a faster cut than science. Ama watatuua? Lol. How do u feel looking at your family hurting themselves because of false doctrines? For. Eg, my family are jehovah's witnesses, hawaruhusiwi whole blood transfusions, just some 'chosen' fractions. I keep hoping non will die b'se of it. What did u do with your family? (i've seen u avoid Qs about your family so nakuchokoza)
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I'm finally writting to u! Lol. Helow Bw. Kiranga. Did i mention your my role model? I admire u alot. U know tooo much and una writting skills which some people like me don't so debating on the net is difficult. when i read your posts i have to google after every two sentences lol. Ofcourse u make very strong arguments. Maybe u could help some of us and use simpler english 😛

Yes, i've read Nyani Ngabu's posts too, and a few others, i think i have to show my gratitude to all of them. Nimewaquote sanaaa...

Wow, i've never heard of 'secular humanism', that sounds good. Sounds fair and reasonable, unlike religious 'morals'.

Shouldn't there be movements basi kuweka awareness in this country? History will make a faster cut than science. Ama watatuua? Lol. How do u feel looking at your family hurting themselves because of false doctrines? For. Eg, my family are jehovah's witnesses, hawaruhusiwi whole blood transfusions, just some 'chosen' fractions. I keep hoping non will die b'se of it. What did u do with your family? (i've seen u avoid Qs about your family so nakuchokoza)

"Role model" is such a responsibility for a freethinking vagabond such as myself.I just chastized someone yesterday because he thought I was inclined towards "liking credit".

But a wise man once told me to never refuse praise, it is counter-intuitively immodest. So thank you.

If I appear to know anything at all, it is because we collectively have much to learn.

A simpler English than this would be what the writers at "The Economist" call "globish", not English anymore. I sometimes like to exercise my linguistic scholarship, so if I do not delve into the etymological similarities of "ichi ban" and "number one", kasri and castle, or the Sankrist roots of Indo-European languages, please do indulge me. It might as well enrich the variety of stylistic delivery, further enchanting the sometimes pedantic content.

The godhead idea, at least in it's Judeo-Christian format and Islamic extensions, is mankind's prepubescent infatuation with an overly exuberant - even dangerous- misplaced optimism. It is not surprising that some people held to this notion some 3,000 years ago, or even as late as 100 years ago. But we simply must see the convergence towards the debunking of the god idea.

If you want to know more about "Secular Humanism" and challenge some religious notion that religion holds a monopoly to good conduct, you may want to check Charles Taylor's (not the former Liberian warlord president, rather a Canadian philosopher) book called "A Secular Age" . It is a bit on the academic side but very informative. Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are popular authors with more accessible material on secular humanism/ atheism.

Our country need many movements. A lot of people are doing humanitarian work through NGOs. Having an organization of atheists on the other hand is a hairy subject, partly because it is hard to establish a doctrinal organization for such a freethinking society. It has been compared to "herding cats", not much unlike being a mod at JF and ensuring that every thread is posted in the right sub-forum, and that the Kirangas of the forum are not bashing other users or being lynched by others. I feel for Invisible and team.

I am curious to find out the reason you say "history will make a faster cut than science". In any case history can be reconciled with and even found on science by using scientific methods. The main ideas being openness, allowance for calibration, and a test based verification process.

Watatuua? Our country is not ready for atheism, not to say that pushing for reason should slack (which is also not to say that atheism/ secularism should be evangelized, that would make it just another religion).

My family is happy due to a very enlightened religiosity. I come from clergy stock, actually from the vicarage on one lineage, another one has Muslim roots, so I am well balanced and I guess the Christian influences meet with the Muslims and they cancel each other out. They still pray daily. It has it's practicality if one is solely looking for a simple practicality.

I have studied with Jehovah Witnesses (as I have with many a religious group). The control structure is out of this world. It's like a sort of Christians "Nation of Islam", complete with farcical and even nonbiblical sectarian disciplinary edicts, pronouncements, publications etc. But they are very dedicated to their faith.I only wish people would be as dedicated towards more practical matters.

The zeitgeist of the world is riding the arrow of time towards a less religious world. Even as we are seeing that a less religious world, to the chagrin of the mullahs and cardinals, need not be tantamount to a less humane world. We have seen religiosity plunder the trust placed upon it, while secularism shines despite being shortchanged as a blasphemous scourge of a rampant and wanton modernity.

Full enlightenment towards this end of the secularism spectrum is a function of education. Non educated people will always be afraid to think freely and therefore consider certain topics "taboo" and "blasphemy". Educated people will view this as the remnant of a naivete of a bygone age.

I have written enough for now, I need to read some more so that I stay updated and relevant, and gather more views to write about.

Thank you for your vote of confidence. We are in the minority and it is even more important for that reason to encourage each other at a time when some people do not believe that some people do not believe.
 
Karibu sana JF bubbs.
 
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"Role model" is such a responsibility for a freethinking vagabond such as myself.I just chastized someone yesterday because he thought I was inclined towards "liking credit".

But a wise man once told me to never refuse praise, it is counter-intuitively immodest. So thank you.

If I appear to know anything at all, it is because we collectively have much to learn.

A simpler English than this would be what the writers at "The Economist" call "globish", not English anymore. I sometimes like to exercise my linguistic scholarship, so if I do not delve into the etymological similarities of "ichi ban" and "number one", kasri and castle, or the Sankrist roots of Indo-European languages, please do indulge me. It might as well enrich the variety of stylistic delivery, further enchanting the sometimes pedantic content.

The godhead idea, at least in it's Judeo-Christian format and Islamic extensions, is mankind's prepubescent infatuation with an overly exuberant - even dangerous- misplaced optimism. It is not surprising that some people held to this notion some 3,000 years ago, or even as late as 100 years ago. But we simply must see the convergence towards the debunking of the god idea.

If you want to know more about "Secular Humanism" and challenge some religious notion that religion holds a monopoly to good conduct, you may want to check Charles Taylor's (not the former Liberian warlord president, rather a Canadian philosopher) book called "A Secular Age" . It is a bit on the academic side but very informative. Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are popular authors with more accessible material on secular humanism/ atheism.

Our country need many movements. A lot of people are doing humanitarian work through NGOs. Having an organization of atheists on the other hand is a hairy subject, partly because it is hard to establish a doctrinal organization for such a freethinking society. It has been compared to "herding cats", not much unlike being a mod at JF and ensuring that every thread is posted in the right sub-forum, and that the Kirangas of the forum are not bashing other users or being lynched by others. I feel for Invisible and team.

I am curious to find out the reason you say "history will make a faster cut than science". In any case history can be reconciled with and even found on science by using scientific methods. The main ideas being openness, allowance for calibration, and a test based verification process.

Watatuua? Our country is not ready for atheism, not to say that pushing for reason should slack (which is also not to say that atheism/ secularism should be evangelized, that would make it just another religion).

My family is happy due to a very enlightened religiosity. I come from clergy stock, actually from the vicarage on one lineage, another one has Muslim roots, so I am well balanced and I guess the Christian influences meet with the Muslims and they cancel each other out. They still pray daily. It has it's practicality if one is solely looking for a simple practicality.

I have studied with Jehovah Witnesses (as I have with many a religious group). The control structure is out of this world. It's like a sort of Christians "Nation of Islam", complete with farcical and even nonbiblical sectarian disciplinary edicts, pronouncements, publications etc. But they are very dedicated to their faith.I only wish people would be as dedicated towards more practical matters.

The zeitgeist of the world is riding the arrow of time towards a less religious world. Even as we are seeing that a less religious world, to the chagrin of the mullahs and cardinals, need not be tantamount to a less humane world. We have seen religiosity plunder the trust placed upon it, while secularism shines despite being shortchanged as a blasphemous scourge of a rampant and wanton modernity.

Full enlightenment towards this end of the secularism spectrum is a function of education. Non educated people will always be afraid to think freely and therefore consider certain topics "taboo" and "blasphemy". Educated people will view this as the remnant of a naivete of a bygone age.

I have written enough for now, I need to read some more so that I stay updated and relevant, and gather more views to write about.

Thank you for your vote of confidence. We are in the minority and it is even more important for that reason to encourage each other at a time when some people do not believe that some people do not believe.

Kila ninaposoma posts zako mkuu najifunza mambo mapya, ni zaidi ya darasa......
 
"Role model" is such a responsibility for a freethinking vagabond such as myself.I just chastized someone yesterday because he thought I was inclined towards "liking credit".

But a wise man once told me to never refuse praise, it is counter-intuitively immodest. So thank you.

If I appear to know anything at all, it is because we collectively have much to learn.

A simpler English than this would be what the writers at "The Economist" call "globish", not English anymore. I sometimes like to exercise my linguistic scholarship, so if I do not delve into the etymological similarities of "ichi ban" and "number one", kasri and castle, or the Sankrist roots of Indo-European languages, please do indulge me. It might as well enrich the variety of stylistic delivery, further enchanting the sometimes pedantic content.

The godhead idea, at least in it's Judeo-Christian format and Islamic extensions, is mankind's prepubescent infatuation with an overly exuberant - even dangerous- misplaced optimism. It is not surprising that some people held to this notion some 3,000 years ago, or even as late as 100 years ago. But we simply must see the convergence towards the debunking of the god idea.

If you want to know more about "Secular Humanism" and challenge some religious notion that religion holds a monopoly to good conduct, you may want to check Charles Taylor's (not the former Liberian warlord president, rather a Canadian philosopher) book called "A Secular Age" . It is a bit on the academic side but very informative. Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are popular authors with more accessible material on secular humanism/ atheism.

Our country need many movements. A lot of people are doing humanitarian work through NGOs. Having an organization of atheists on the other hand is a hairy subject, partly because it is hard to establish a doctrinal organization for such a freethinking society. It has been compared to "herding cats", not much unlike being a mod at JF and ensuring that every thread is posted in the right sub-forum, and that the Kirangas of the forum are not bashing other users or being lynched by others. I feel for Invisible and team.

I am curious to find out the reason you say "history will make a faster cut than science". In any case history can be reconciled with and even found on science by using scientific methods. The main ideas being openness, allowance for calibration, and a test based verification process.

Watatuua? Our country is not ready for atheism, not to say that pushing for reason should slack (which is also not to say that atheism/ secularism should be evangelized, that would make it just another religion).

My family is happy due to a very enlightened religiosity. I come from clergy stock, actually from the vicarage on one lineage, another one has Muslim roots, so I am well balanced and I guess the Christian influences meet with the Muslims and they cancel each other out. They still pray daily. It has it's practicality if one is solely looking for a simple practicality.

I have studied with Jehovah Witnesses (as I have with many a religious group). The control structure is out of this world. It's like a sort of Christians "Nation of Islam", complete with farcical and even nonbiblical sectarian disciplinary edicts, pronouncements, publications etc. But they are very dedicated to their faith.I only wish people would be as dedicated towards more practical matters.

The zeitgeist of the world is riding the arrow of time towards a less religious world. Even as we are seeing that a less religious world, to the chagrin of the mullahs and cardinals, need not be tantamount to a less humane world. We have seen religiosity plunder the trust placed upon it, while secularism shines despite being shortchanged as a blasphemous scourge of a rampant and wanton modernity.

Full enlightenment towards this end of the secularism spectrum is a function of education. Non educated people will always be afraid to think freely and therefore consider certain topics "taboo" and "blasphemy". Educated people will view this as the remnant of a naivete of a bygone age.

I have written enough for now, I need to read some more so that I stay updated and relevant, and gather more views to write about.

Thank you for your vote of confidence. We are in the minority and it is even more important for that reason to encourage each other at a time when some people do not believe that some people do not believe.

Ofcourse mtu asiye open minded atakuona in that way. Since u got good writting skills obviously utakua an eloquent speaker pia. So you're good to go. Lol.

Aah kumbe umesomea linguistics. Basi u keep on exercising your profession, and i'll go on googling, by the end of the year i can get a certificate.

Its human nature to be optimistic, don't u think? Althought i agree with u that others, esp. In the past were 'over exuberant' about it. Like Aren't u afraid of another big bang? Lol. And about evolution, i honestly haven't read a 'full' book about it. I've only read people's reviews on them, and a few 'recomemded' pages. I'm more familiar with Hitchens and Dawkins. Itabidi niende kutafuta i read them for myself aisee.

Did u mean to say 'its hard to establish a freethinking org. for a doctrinal society'?

Well speaking as an Ex-cult member (which i find very amusing that you studied with), which undermines some scientific methods (mostly due to being misinformed by their leaders), its easier to tell them about the oldest manuscript than the oldest rock! All science, but they're under mind control to the fullest! Atleast i was. But yes, your ideas for reconciling the two are plausible, best being 'allowance for calibration'. (i googled that)

Watatuua b'se our country haina religious tolerance. U see wanavyouana. But yes, with time, the humanitarians will make it work. (oh na tuandike mabango spiritual vs religious, 1-0, 90:00) 🙂

i cannot see how the elemnts of christianity and islam cancel eachother out in your family. Anyways.....

Education does push one to Q things, but for as long as kuna religious classes in schools, do u think it will make a fast cut? Au hadi mtu chuo? 😀 i remember our biology teacher form four alikua anafundisha evidence of evolution, a girl akauliza 'Sir do u ''beleive'' in that?' acha Yesu ahubiriwe. The 'visible' evidence for the evolution of industrial moths and others did not make the cut.There was no 'chance for calibration' for any of us there 🙁
 
Hahahaha...I hope u will. but Spiders hawako kama udhaniavyo.:rockon: bubbs
 
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