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TUESDAY NOVEMBER 28 2017
Tanzania has started the process of merging its seven social security funds into two schemes, with the aim of boosting service delivery.
Through the draft Public Service Social Security Fund Bill of 2017, the government will repeal previous laws under which the seven funds were established.
The Bill, seen by The EastAfrican, is to be presented before parliament early next year.
It proposes that all public servants be absorbed by the Public Service Social Security Scheme to be formed under the Act.
The Act will also establish the Public Service Pension Scheme that will absorb all government employees, repealing the Public Service Retirement Benefit Act.
Public servants currently belong to the National Social Security Fund (NSSF).
The other existing funds are the PPF Pension Fund, Public Service Pension Fund (PSPF), Local Authorities Pension Fund, Workers Compensation Fund, Government Employees Provident Fund, and the National Health Insurance Fund.
The seven funds have 2.1 million members with total assets of Tsh8.87 trillion ($4.4 billion).
Minister for Parliamentary Affairs, Labour, Employment and Disabled persons Jenista Mhagama said the government has formed a team of experts to come up with a plan that would help to merge the funds.
Tanzania's plan to merge pension funds kicks off
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Kenya
Retirement scheme assets hit Sh1trn mark on NSE recovery
Assets held by retirement schemes rose Sh167.44 billion last year, for the first time crossing the Sh1 trillion mark on improved compliance by employers and recovery in the stock market.
Pension schemes managed Sh1.08 trillion last December [$10 Billion], 18.35 per cent more than Sh912.66 billion a year earlier according to data released by the Retirement Benefits Authority (RBA).
Retirement scheme assets hit Sh1trn mark on NSE recovery


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Hii ni licha ya Tanzania kua na wafanyikazi 'wengi' kushinda Kenya...

But they are paid peanuts.

Write your reply...My country is totally fucked like Brazil

mwaswast said:

But they are paid peanuts.

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You forgot to mention that our cost of living is cheaper.

Chamoto said:

You forgot to mention that our cost of living cheaper.

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Because you are LDC. Cost of living goes hand in hand with purchasing power.
That's why rent in London or New York is 10 times that in Nairobi.

kennedy0000 said:

Because you are LDC. Cost of living goes hand in hand with purchasing power.
That's why rent in London or New York is 10 times that in Nairobi.

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Standard of living and cost of living are too different things. I was in Dallas - Fort Worth area last week taking care of business and I can tell you that cost of living there is way cheaper than Brooklyn even though the standard of living is way better.

Chamoto said:

Standard of living and cost of living are too different things. I was in Dallas - Fort Worth area last week taking care of business and I can tell you that cost of living there is way cheaper than Brooklyn even though the standard of living is way better.

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High standard and high cost go hand in hand. Stop trying to sugar coat things.
If you buy a shoe for Sh10,000, you can generally expect it to be of higher quality than a shoe of Sh1000.
If you pay an arm and a leg for medical services, you can expect the hospital to be of a higher standard than a much cheaper one.

The reason every aspect of life is expensive in London vs Nairobi is because the standard of living is higher in London.
Working garbage collection, working public transport, working security, contant electricity... etc. The cost of all these things add up.

If you find a city very cheap to live in, chances are it is in an LDC with few or no working services.

kennedy0000 said:

High standard and high cost go hand in hand. Stop trying to sugar coat things.
If you buy a shoe for Sh10,000, you can generally expect it to be of higher quality than a shoe of Sh1000.
If you pay an arm and a leg for medical services, you can expect the hospital to be of a higher standard than a much cheaper one.

The reason every aspect of life is expensive in London vs Nairobi is because the standard of living is higher in London.
Working garbage collection, working public transport, working security, contant electricity... etc. The cost of all these things add up.

If you find a city very cheap to live in, chances are it is in an LDC with few or no working services.

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There are so many areas in Dar es salaam that rent cost more than some cities in the US but that doesn't mean those cities are in LDC. There are many reasons a certain area will have higher cost of living; for example, areas with larger population will have no enough space to build new houses as a result, the cost of living will skyrocket but that doesn't mean the standard of living will increase.

So your argument about the standard vs cost of living is flawed, I stated earlier that Dallas has one on the cheapest housing market in the US but the standard of living is one the highest in the country (GDP 1.639 trillion USD).

Chamoto said:

There are so many areas in Dar es salaam that rent cost more than some cities in the US but that doesn't mean those cities are in LDC. There are many reasons a certain area will have higher cost of living; for example, areas with large population will have no enough space to build new houses as a result, the cost of living will skyrocket but that doesn't mean the standard of living will increase.

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Lol..
The average rent in Dar is probably $80 for a 1 bedroom house.
The average rent in New York City is around $2500 for a 1 bedroom house.

That's like 30 times.
Please don't put Dar is slum and the USA in the same sentence.

Cost of living can go up without the necessary Standard of living going up. But this mostly happens in places where the standard is already too high in the first place.

In a place like Nairobi, the more rent you pay, the better amenities you get. Eg. your flat has consistent borehole water, bigger square footage, private parking, better security, backup generators, fiber internet, good neighbourhood etc.
Most of these are already standard features in New York, and the rents there confirm this.

The reason Dar is cheap is because 99% of tenants are not paying (and not receiving) such services.
Consequently, the taxes are probably cheaper meaning the local government has no money to construct access roads, estate roads, street lights etc.
That's why the whole of Dar looks like one huge slum.

For a good standard of living, the cost must go up.

kennedy0000 said:

Lol..
The average rent in Dar is probably $80 for a 1 bedroom house.
The average rent in New York City is around $2500 for a 1 bedroom house.

That's like 30 times.
Please don't put Dar is slum and the USA in the same sentence.

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There you go again mixing stuff up , I meantioned some areas in Dar having rent higher than some area in the US and you come with average this and that, you must be coming from a very little background in mathematics for not knowing what the avarage number is.

kennedy0000 said:

Cost of living can go up without the necessary Standard of living going up. But this mostly happens in places where the standard is already too high in the first place..

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Not true, there are some metrics that can cause the cost of living to skyrocket even in poor countries, a good example is Nairobi where one thief stole a big chunk of land and gave some to foreigners and left the little fertile land to the rest of you. Now everything in Nairobi is super expensive while the standard of living for most of you remain to be low.

kennedy0000 said:

In a place like Nairobi, the more rent you pay, the better amenities you get. Eg. your flat has consistent borehole water, bigger square footage, private parking, better security, backup generators, fiber internet, good neighbourhood etc.
Most of these are already standard features in New York, and the rents there confirm this..

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Clearly you have never been to New York especially places like South Bronx.

kennedy0000 said:

The reason Dar is cheap is because 99% of tenants are not paying (and not receiving) such services.
Consequently, the taxes are probably cheaper meaning the local government has no money to construct access roads, estate roads, street lights etc.
That's why the whole of Dar looks like one huge slum.

For a good standard of living, the cost must go up.

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You're just making up stuff.
Dar is cheaper because the Government has the final say of what can or can't be done.

Chamoto said:

Not true, there are some metrics that can cause the cost of living to skyrocket even in poor countries, a good example is Nairobi where one thief stole a big chunk of land and gave some to foreigners and left the little fertile land to the rest of you. Now everything in Nairobi is super expensive while the standard of living for most of you remain to be low.

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Here you go again. Because something happened one time, you take it as the general rule of the thumb.
Because 2 houses in some posh area in Dar are expensive, you compare them to the poorest rural town in the US. I guess the term average is foreign to you.

Nairobi may be expensive by your LDC standards, but it is still one of the cheapest major city in the world. Rents, electricity, water, taxes etc cannot be compared to cities in Europe and the US.

And the only reason you think Nairobi is expensive is because of your income. Kenyans earn more than Tanzanians. A government primary school teacher here in Kenya is paid double what a Tanzanian teacher makes.
An entry level Kenyan doctor is paid triple what his Tanzanian counterpart makes. And I'm not making up figures. I've checked.

Chamoto said:

There you go again mixing stuff up , I meantioned some areas in Dar having rent higher than some area in the US and you come with average this and that, you must be coming from a very little background in mathematics for not knowing what the avarage number is.

Not true, there are some metrics that can cause the cost of living to skyrocket even in poor countries, a good example is Nairobi where one thief stole a big chunk of land and gave some to foreigners and left the little fertile land to the rest of you. Now everything in Nairobi is super expensive while the standard of living for most of you remain to be low.


Clearly you have never been to New York especially places like South Bronx.


You're just making up stuff.
Dar is cheaper because the Government has the final say of what can or can't be done.

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Dar is cheaper because you are LDC. If the population had the purchasing power, rent would be expensive. Houses would have many amenities. And your government would have money to build infrastructure and provide consistent service.

kennedy0000 said:

Here you go again. Because something happened one time, you take it as the general rule of the thumb.
Because 2 houses in some posh area in Dar are expensive, you compare them to the poorest rural town in the US. I guess the term average is foreign to you.

Nairobi may be expensive by your LDC standards, but it is still one of the cheapest major city in the world. Rents, electricity, water, taxes etc cannot be compared to cities in Europe and the US.

And the only reason you think Nairobi is expensive is because of your income. Kenyans earn more than Tanzanians. A government primary school teacher here in Kenya is paid double what a Tanzanian teacher makes.
An entry level Kenyan doctor is paid triple what his Tanzanian counterpart makes. And I'm not making up figures. I've checked.


Dar is cheaper because you are LDC. If the population had the purchasing power, rent would be expensive. Houses would have many amenities. And your government would have money to build infrastructure and provide consistent service.

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Wewe jamaa unapenda kubisha tu.. sasa hapo umetaja maji na umeme, so in your naive mind unahisi hivyo vitu vina cost less in Nairobi than in developed World! You are very wrong. FYI One in Kenya pays more than 3× for power than one in the U.S all because of efficiency.

Countries with the lowest power charges in E.A are Tz & Rw and this is not caused by LDC bullshit you are trying to pull but its because of efficient.

Luanda is one the expensive cities in Africa, black outs and water shortage is a norm leave alone poor health services and limited road access.

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kennedy0000 said:

Here you go again. Because something happened one time, you take it as the general rule of the thumb.
Because 2 houses in some posh area in Dar are expensive, you compare them to the poorest rural town in the US. I guess the term average is foreign to you.

Nairobi may be expensive by your LDC standards, but it is still one of the cheapest major city in the world. Rents, electricity, water, taxes etc cannot be compared to cities in Europe and the US.

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Dude, I know what a high standard of living is, I'm living it. I was talking about a particular region in EA, stop being all over the place like a cheese on pizza.

kennedy0000 said:

And the only reason you think Nairobi is expensive is because of your income. Kenyans earn more than Tanzanians. A government primary school teacher here in Kenya is paid double what a Tanzanian teacher makes.
An entry level Kenyan doctor is paid triple what his Tanzanian counterpart makes. And I'm not making up figures. I've checked..

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Money comes in...money goes out, that's what you have it there; food, rent, electricity, internet et cetera is more expensive in Kenya than in Tanzania. It doesn't matter how much money you make if you can't keep it (that's how rich people think). For an equivalence of 40Ksh you can eat a very good meal in Tanzania but that same meal can cost as much as 400Ksh. No wonder you guys think githeri is the best thing since slice bread.

kennedy0000 said:

Dar is cheaper because you are LDC. If the population had the purchasing power, rent would be expensive. Houses would have many amenities. And your government would have money to build infrastructure and provide consistent service.

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Land is cheaper in TZ because the government owns it and rent wont go higher because many people build their own houses. No one wants to rent if they can own one. Nairobi is expensive (in the region) because there is no enough land for everyone own land (demand/supply).

kennedy0000 said:

Lol..
The average rent in Dar is probably $80 for a 1 bedroom house.
The average rent in New York City is around $2500 for a 1 bedroom house.

That's like 30 times.
Please don't put Dar is slum and the USA in the same sentence.

Cost of living can go up without the necessary Standard of living going up. But this mostly happens in places where the standard is already too high in the first place.

In a place like Nairobi, the more rent you pay, the better amenities you get. Eg. your flat has consistent borehole water, bigger square footage, private parking, better security, backup generators, fiber internet, good neighbourhood etc.
Most of these are already standard features in New York, and the rents there confirm this.

The reason Dar is cheap is because 99% of tenants are not paying (and not receiving) such services.
Consequently, the taxes are probably cheaper meaning the local government has no money to construct access roads, estate roads, street lights etc.
That's why the whole of Dar looks like one huge slum.

For a good standard of living, the cost must go up.

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Someone must have bewitched you if you think the expensive power you pay to KPLC is of "higher" quality than cheap power in say Germany or US.
Kenya/Nairobi is expensive because of Corruoption..Nothing to do with quality

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:

Someone must have bewitched you if you think the expensive power you pay to KPLC is of "higher" quality than cheap power in say Germany or US.
Kenya/Nairobi is expensive because of Corruoption..Nothing to do with quality

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Nairobi is expensive by LDC standards.

thisdayes said:

Wewe jamaa unapenda kubisha tu.. sasa hapo umetaja maji na umeme, so in your naive mind unahisi hivyo vitu vina cost less in Nairobi than in developed World! You are very wrong. FYI One in Kenya pays more than 3× for power than one in the U.S all because of efficiency.

Countries with the lowest power charges in E.A are Tz & Rw and this is not caused by LDC bullshit you are trying to pull but its because of efficient.

Luanda is one the expensive cities in Africa, black outs and water shortage is a norm leave alone poor health services and limited road access.

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It's not your fault to be born in an LDC but its your fault to have an LDC brain.
Standard of living goes hand in hand with cost of living.
While the electricity rates in Nairobi might be higher than in some US cities, the average monthly American electricity bill for a household is more than 10 times that of a Kenyan family. Most US families spend between $100 - $150 a month on electricity.

They have the spending power to buy electronic equipment that improve their lives, like air conditioners, washing machines etc. 99.99% of Tanzanians do not, and that's why household electricity bills remain low. What you are perceiving as 'cheap' is simply living a below standard lifestyle. Buy all these machines and tell us whether your electricity bill will still be 'cheap'.

Which returns us to my first point. The only reason Dar is perceived to be cheaper is because it is in an LDC country. Houses are substandard or with very few amenities and cheap finishes, estate and access roads are pathetic, streetlights non-existent etc. In short, Dar is one big slum, and slum life is cheap.

For your standard of living to increase to match other cities, your cost of living must go up.

For developed cities to enjoy the standard of life they have, house owners pay an arm and a leg every year as property tax. Subsequently when houses are expensive, everything else follows.

For Dar is slum local government to provide garbage services, roads, lights, recreation etc. to the standard of other cities, it is the residents who will fund that.

But I'll not blame you. Maybe you are comfortable living a miserable life and have resigned to its cheapness. But you should probably travel a bit to see the life people live especially in developed cities, and ask them their monthly bill to support such standards.

Chamoto said:

Money comes in...money goes out, that's what you have it there; food, rent, electricity, internet et cetera is more expensive in Kenya than in Tanzania. It doesn't matter how much money you make if you can't keep it (that's how rich people think). For an equivalence of 40Ksh you can eat a very good meal in Tanzania but that same meal can cost as much as 400Ksh. No wonder you guys think githeri is the best thing since slice bread.

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Don't reason in one narrow street. Everything is tied together. The reason food is expensive is partly because of the rent that premises demands.
Same way, a 10,000 1 bedroom is not the same as a 20,000 1 bedroom. There is a day and night difference in the quality of finishes, the services provided in that apartment, parking, security etc. In short, the more a landlord spent to build his house, the more he will charge.
Rent in Tanzania is lower mostly because the houses, amenities, services etc. are substandard.

Also, taxes contribute a lot to the cost of living. Property tax, business tax etc. It is these taxes that further increase your standard of living, through provision of essential services like estate roads, lights, garbage collection etc.
I'm not saying Nairobi is doing all these right, but I can say with certainty its much better Dar. Especially in estate roads and lighting.

You can choose to live in muddy estates in Dar because it is 'cheaper', or move to a place with better living standards and pay its worth.

kennedy0000 said:

It's not your fault to be born in an LDC but its your fault to have an LDC brain.
Standard of living goes hand in hand with cost of living.
While the electricity rates in Nairobi might be higher than in some US cities, the average monthly American electricity bill for a household is more than 10 times that of a Kenyan family. Most US families spend between $100 - $150 a month on electricity.

They have the spending power to buy electronic equipment that improve their lives, like air conditioners, washing machines etc. 99.99% of Tanzanians do not, and that's why household electricity bills remain low. What you are perceiving as 'cheap' is simply living a below standard lifestyle. Buy all these machines and tell us whether your electricity bill will still be 'cheap'.

Which returns us to my first point. The only reason Dar is perceived to be cheaper is because it is in an LDC country. Houses are substandard or with very few amenities and cheap finishes, estate and access roads are pathetic, streetlights non-existent etc. In short, Dar is one big slum, and slum life is cheap.

For your standard of living to increase to match other cities, your cost of living must go up.

For developed cities to enjoy the standard of life they have, house owners pay an arm and a leg every year as property tax. Subsequently when houses are expensive, everything else follows.

For Dar is slum local government to provide garbage services, roads, lights, recreation etc. to the standard of other cities, it is the residents who will fund that.

But I'll not blame you. Maybe you are comfortable living a miserable life and have resigned to its cheapness. But you should probably travel a bit to see the life people live especially in developed cities, and ask them their monthly bill to support such standards.

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Nakupongeza kwa kwenda ku google, now you know power in Kenya is way expensive compared to the U.S tofauti na ulivyoandika mwanzo atleast umeingiza kitu kichwani leo. Hizo bla bla za bill ni zako, i have just proved my point kuna vitu ni expensive in our societies not because of high standards of living ila kuna other factors zimechangia.

Also go google about Luanda city, the capital of Angola utajifunza zaidi. Kuhusu kusafiri na ujinga mwingine uliyo ongea, usihisi kila mtu ni kama wewe kwakua wote tupo JF.

Unaeza hisi nime kutusi! ila ukweli nime kudharau tu.

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thisdayes said:

Nakupongeza kwa kwenda ku google, now you know power in Kenya is way expensive compared to the U.S tofauti na ulivyoandika mwanzo atleast umeingiza kitu kichwani leo. Hizo bla bla za bill ni zako, i have just proved my point kuna vitu ni expensive in our societies not because of high standards of living ila kuna other factors zimechangia.

Also go google about Luanda city, the capital of Angola utajifunza zaidi. Kuhusu kusafiri na ujinga mwingine uliyo ongea, usihisi kila mtu ni kama wewe kwakua wote tupo JF.

Unaeza hisi nime kutusi! ila ukweli nime kudharau tu.

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Are we talking about expensive or cost of living?

In a US city, you'll need over $2000 per month to live an average life.
In Nairobi, you can comfortably survive with $250 a month.
In Dar, I'm guessing $150 is enough to live a fairly comfortable life.

The trend is clear across all cities in the world.
LDC cities are the cheapest to live in, high income countries are the most expensive.
And it all has to do with amenities, services and level of development in the country.

You are here pretending to be very wise, picking the electricity rate in Kenya and thinking you have your eureka moment. You think living is just electricity?

The fact remains life is cheaper in Dar is slum because that is what your spending power allows. You cannot even be taxed more to build yourselves better estate roads.
If landlords increased rent over there, people would stream back to their rural homes. You are poor.