Kenyans to get guns for only Sh2000 as Matiang’i reforms licensing board

MK254 said:

Yeah I did read the article, it's more about fighting corruption, which is a good thing, a document that costs 2,000 was going to as far as 200,000.
However, I never knew official gun license was so cheap, so this has invoked a discussion around the whole spectrum. Of course such licenses won't be dished out to every Thomas, but it shouldn't be so cheap, the legislation needs to be reviewed.

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Here is a solution to that problem. If you buy a new gun and want a permit, you go to a licensing board lab , you fire that gun in a ballistic chamber they take the bullets and update them in their database, bullet fired from a gun has its own unique scratches and pattern.... So anytime there is a homicide by a gun all they have to do is match the bullet to the database of registered gun owners first, if they don't find any match they know it's an illigal firearm.... The rules should also be that after every six months you go to the lab again to fire your guns for the database to be updated.

Anyway, it's illogical for a licence to cost more than a gun...(this means guns should only be for the rich/well-off) they should find other rules like you have to come with a letter from psychiatrist saying you ok in the head, you also come with tax compliant certificate, and you can't be technically bankrupt (in a debt you can't pay)....

Most criminals,drug dealers, terrorists operate under the radar and won't have those documents .. e.g. to get a tax compliant certificate means you have to declare all your sources of income... What criminal will want to expose themselves like that?

Kafrican said:

Here is a solution to that problem. If you buy a new gun and want a permit, you go to a licensing board lab , you fire that gun in a ballistic chamber they take the bullets and update them in their database, bullet fired from a gun has its own unique scratches and pattern.... So anytime there is a homicide by a gun all they have to do is match the bullet to the database of registered gun owners first, if they don't find any match they know it's an illigal firearm.... The rules should also be that after every six months you go to the lab again to fire your guns for the database to be updated.

Anyway, it's illogical for a licence to cost more than a gun...(this means guns should only be for the rich/well-off) they should find other rules like you have to come with a letter from psychiatrist saying you ok in the head, you also come with tax compliant certificate, and you can't be technically bankrupt (in a debt you can't pay)....

Most criminals,drug dealers, terrorists operate under the radar and won't have those documents .. e.g. to get a tax compliant certificate means you have to declare all your sources of income... What criminal will want to expose themselves like that?

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There is never a safer way to legislate this, remember you can pass all those tests but your deranged son gets access to your gun and walks out to seek revenge against bullies. I've been watching a caucus calling itself 'open carry', these guys walk around the streets and supermarkets with SMG hanged on their shoulders all because the law allows it.
Am trying to imagine a group of us having our drinks happily, suddenly some shabbily dressed mofo with tattoos all over walks in with an automatic riffle and order beer, yeah the law allows but am damn sure no one will be comfortable.

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MK254 said:

There is never a safer way to legislate this, remember you can pass all those tests but your deranged son gets access to your gun and walks out to seek revenge against bullies. I've been watching a caucus calling itself 'open carry', these guys walk around the streets and supermarkets with SMG hanged on their shoulders all because the law allows it.
Am trying to imagine a group of us having our drinks happily, suddenly some shabbily dressed mofo with tattoos all over walks in with an automatic riffle and order beer, yeah the law allows but am damn sure no one will be comfortable.

Watch this video

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There are two licences, a licence to own a gun and a licence to carry one outside your premises , the one you called 'open carry' .
Unlike in the US, Open carry and consealed carry should be illegal in Kenya.. not unless you own a bank or can justify your life is in danger or something like that.
But it should be possible for someone to own a gun ... We can even limit the gun ownership to only pistols and shortguns if we want to and make it illigal for civilians to own rifles like in the UK where mass shooting are rare... but one should be able to defend himself in his own house/property. I come from the coast and back in 2013,2014 I used to imagine what if alshabaab came to our neighborhood, if what happened in mpeketoni was anything to go by... (My mum had been there a week b4 the attack happen for an agricultural seminar/) how will I defend my family ? I even went to learn how to shoot at the shooting range in Nairobi, I also researched on handling an AK-47 ...

Since then I became a pro gun supporter. You can never expect the police to save you in those kinds of situations..

its a great move now your murder rate will be competing with South Africa and Colombia

Kafrican said:

There are two licences, a licence to own a gun and a licence to carry one outside your premises , the one you called 'open carry' .
Unlike in the US, Open carry and consealed carry should be illegal in Kenya.. not unless you own a bank or can justify your life is in danger or something like that.
But it should be possible for someone to own a gun ... We can even limit the gun ownership to only pistols and shortguns if we want to and make it illigal for civilians to own rifles like in the UK where mass shooting are rare... but one should be able to defend himself in his own house/property. I come from the coast and back in 2013,2014 I used to imagine what if alshabaab came to our neighborhood, if what happened in mpeketoni was anything to go by... (My mum had been there a week b4 the attack happen for an agricultural seminar/) how will I defend my family ? I even went to learn how to shoot at the shooting range in Nairobi, I also researched on handling an AK-47 ...

Since then I became a pro gun supporter. You can never expect the police to save you in those kinds of situations..

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Of course there are exceptional cases that makes sense in owning a firearm, I do agree if all rules were observed carefully without bending some, then there won't be anything to worry about. But we all know our society, corruption is so rife, I remember back then when I was pursuing my driver's license, everything was done so incompetently right from the school to examination center, the guys were only interested in making a quick buck.

They don't care about the number of half baked drivers they let out into our roads, licences are dished out so easily. So, with guns, we would be opening up a Pandora box in the name of freedom and right to arm and self defense. A gun is not any other weapon, the moment everybody realizes you're carrying one and you are not a law enforcement officer, tension and fear goes up high.
Even when pulled over by police, as soon they notice a firearm with you, things takes a different shape and any inadvertent sudden move might lead to fatality.
In Israel, civilians are allowed to carry guns due to constant threat of terrorism, but the rules and regulations are very strict, one has to go through rigorous training, and after such process, they end up respecting firearms and most of them don't see any pride in dangling guns around.