To balance the argument of statements, I'd consider you a smart kid if you also point out the statements made by Lowassa himself on Magufuli's leadership capability plus that one testifying Kikwete's good governance.. What am trying to say here is, politicians can not be trusted by their words, call in their actions! Having said such, it remains the same thing that UKAWA under EDO is riskier than CCM. Swallow dat!
Yes there are plenty of statements to that effect, nobody denies that. But the difference is my friend, Lowassa is not attacking Magufuli's or Kikwete's credibility or their personality. He is not doing a 360 on anything positive he said regarding those two gentlemen. On the other hand, kinana is chairing a campaing team which is trumpeting Lowassa's 'ufisadi' few months after he assured Mondulians and Tanzanians in general on Lowassa's character. Ironically, nyalandu who kinana called 'mzururaji' compared to Lowassa is on the same team. Swallow that.!
Dear brother, are u really living in Tanzania? Have you really tailed the election race? Lowassa's name was CUT by his own party (u name it)! He found his way out because he was cut. There's nothing else he could do. So telling us that he's good because he shifted to CDM equals to insulting our intelligence! Did u bother to learn the reason why he was evicted? You need to learn figurative stuffs. He was indirectly chased out the party... He was clever to notice, for that I congratulate him!
First let me correct you, Lowassa wasn't cut. The 'cutting' if i'm allowed to use that word, is the responsibility of the Central committee. According to CCM's constitution, all aspirants are supposed to be vetted by the Central commitee and after the 'cutting', 5 names are chosen to go to the next stage which is the National executive commitee which then comes up with 3 names then one. Against CCM's own constitution, the ethics committee hijacked the responsibilities of the Central comittee and did the cutting, thereby producing the 5 names. So my friend the Central Commitee meeting this year was a rubber-stamp meeting where the 5 names were simply passed on to the next stage. Anybody can tell what some people planned to do because few days before the exercise, Nape was clear that they wouldn't entertain any appeal! Go figure!
Second, people like you forget that, implying Lowassa's name elimination by the ethics committee equals 'corruption' etc, then automatically all other names (over 30 names) that were similarly 'cut' alongside his are also corrupt! Judge Augustino Ramadhani, Mwandosya, Mwakyembe, Makongoro, Wassira, mahiga etc...all these were 'cut' just like Lowassa. Should they understand that CCM has "indirectly chased" them too as you allege for Lowassa? Ironically some of these people like Makongoro and Mwakyembe are now busy smearing Lowassa on being 'cut', forgetting that they themselves had been 'cut' in exactly similar way! If being cut means you are corrupt then what are all these cut people lambasting Lowassa for?
It is very true, CCM has some corrupt leaders, this is a serious problem in many african govts. We can't deny we have to find a way to deal with the problem, we need to install an Anti-virus, but before taking the action, is it not necessary to learn who created the system? It is important because if we don't know the true enemy then we'll be fighting the losing war..
Recently, there was a case against Yona and the co.. Things are happening too fast, Lowassa has camps, you know the names? CCM is trying so hard to cut them off too. Magufuli's character threatens many in CCM. Let's give him some time to prove me wrong.
We agree on corruption, but why should we waste time to fine tune a virus-laden system instead of just ditching the system all together and try another system (UKAWA) instead?
second, the case against Yona and Mramba was not about the mine. It was about yet another corruption deal in which they finger Mkapa (your holy white house occupant) as being responsible. Now, on the issue of Lowassa having camps, i don't understand you here, what's wrong with that? who did not have 'camps' within CCM? January? Membe? Ever heard of 'the mtandao' in 2005? If Lowassa had a camp of supporters so what? Why would CCM 'cut' Lowassa's supporters only? what about other people's supporters? Logically, i'd assume Lowassa's supporters within CCM have left with him to CDM. But like i said, i don't understand your point on this camp issue maybe you can elaborate.
Third, i don't think Magufuli threatens anybody within CCM, Lowassa did though that's why they contravened the CCM constitution to eliminate him illegally from the race. Magufuli has already said he will give jobs to all those who were 'cut' not only on presidential level but MP level, so basically he will go against CCM own voters who do not want these people. His campaign tour has already endorsed people like Andrew Chenge among others as 'clean' contestants on their
Majimbos. If he has already endorsed a person like Chenge do you really believe he is going to change how things run under CCM? I expect the same old CCM.
Lowassa is not just one person, you need to read between the lines here. I can not unfold everything but I guess you have a good mind to catch up! Again, always end up laughing when u raise that system thing.. Brother, can u mention who are/were the beneficiaries of the so called System? Before that, I asked you to learn the founders of it first. Then you come out and draw a line between the system and Edo!
I don't think you get me when i use the term system, i merely mean a platform. You do know that ultimately the party is above its president right? That is the reason why most political parties elect the president the chair of that party as well to avoid headbutting between the president and the party chairman. This is what i meant. Now i ask you which one would you rather have, Lowassa as president being answerable to a party of Mbowe, Lissu, Mnyika, Mdee etc, or Magufuli as president, answering to a party of ivory smuggling nanihii, fake ARV seller nanihii, escrow money beneficiary nanihii, fake degree nanihii, etc?
At first, when these rumors started, nobody was so sure of Edward's unfitness, but now am pretty sure even if u ask himself to get tested, I wonder if that will click to his 'willingness' anymore...
I repeat, nobody needs to see medical certificates to tell how sick is Edo. Are you informed about his 'peeing' in the eyes of the public? Go to Chato district, Kagera and ask for the most trending news from the natives... If that alone doesn't satisfy you, then you need to spend more time on social networks where people are free to post videos and information that are neglected by the mainstream media..
I don't think this health debate is getting us anywhere. What amazes me is that UKAWA supporters like myself are not worried by his apparent lack of health, but you who do not want him to be president are! Why should this be worrying to you though? I've asked you numerous time to substantiate your claims but what do you do? You tell me to go hear yet more hearsay stories from CHATO of all places! Your candidate's home turf, where he was born and bred, where he had been a member of parliament for 20 years! Really? How about you go to Monduli to hear what people there have to say about Magu's health? mhh? :A S shade:
The question about Kikwete's falling during campaigns is clearly understandable! He was too way tired and over exhausted. Is that similar to Lowassa's condition? I assume you are smarter than that. Or else if you're answering to balance the situation then let's see who's going to be the last man standing!
Ooh, so Kikwete actually collapsing is understandable without any proof, but Lowassa's mere weak looks are a sure way of telling he is too sick to be elected president? I agree Lowassa does look rather weak physically, but the judgment whether this prevents him to be president is also weak without proof. Especially when he is ready to be tested alongside Magufuli!
BY THE WAY, Where's the evidence that over years CDM claimed to have to testify against their new boss Lowassa? Is he no longer a Fisadi? I heard even the list of shame is no longer available on your (CDM) website! Why is that? Do not be surprised, it is working that way.
Just like you distanced yourself from CCM, i hereby distance myself from CDM, i'm just a voter that will vote UKAWA this year, Chadema's list of shame is not a concern of mine. But let me ask you this, do you believe the list or not? Because if you do, and you do things logically, then you are supposed to still vote for Lowassa. This is because the majority of names on that list are still CCM members! If you don't vote EL because he was on that list, then you won't get just one fisadi, one! But if you vote for Magufuli then you'll get all the rest of the 'fisadis' on that list except Lowassa. Some of the names on that list like Chenge have already been endorsed by your 'mr clean' campaign trail! Upo hapo?
Tip: You've welcomed the fatal system in your motherboard. And the bad news is that, this seems to be stronger than the old one you built by blood and sweat. Look at the friends he came with, Rostam? Mengi? And the unknown?! Hahahah! Feel sorry for your fellow Tanzanians you moron.
It's actually a nice tip, if only i was CDM. Most of us voters are non-partisan my friend. This year we only have two real choices. CCM motherboard, or UKAWA motherboard. I know you won't give a single piece of evidence on when Rostam and Mengi have switched camps, but that is no problem. Most CCM sympathyzers do not argue factually anyway. You calling me a moron though is not cool, learn to debate without sounding like Mange. Jamiiforums has higher standards than that try to keep up.