Money is not African creation

There is no original Swahili word to mean Money. This is revealing truth which came after the intensive research that I have done.

The word that are in use in Swahili language to mean Money are the units of money which were used at that time. In this article I will discuss all of the terms which are used to mean Money.

Pesa & Hela.

The words, Pesa and Hela, are not Swahili ones but they have been modified from other languages. For example the word Hela comes from Germanic coin Heller which was used in Tanganyika during colonial regime. READ HERE.

The word Pesa was just a unit of money that were used during the same time with Heller. For those who read books or those who used novel and play books in answering exams, there is Swahili book called mfalme juha, by Farouk M. Topan Swahili words which mean Stupid King. It is in that book Farouk wrote, “…kwa kipindi hicho pesa mbili zilikuwa sawa na hela moja” means “…for that time two peso was equivalent to one Heller. That is very same to say that, “For this time two thousands shillings equals one dollar”

Fedha.

This word was firstly used to mean silver, the most known material which was used to mint money. The word Fedha, in its origin does not mean money, but as long as money used silver and sometimes gold the word took over and it is currently used to mean money.

Rupia comes from Indian monetary unit rupee.

Riyali comes from Arabic unit of money Riyal.

Faranga (Informal Swahili word to mean money) Faranga comes from the word francs, the French unit of money.

Shillingi

This is accepted as Tanzanian Monetary unit which was introduced by British in 1923, and there so many countries which use word shilling to mean their monetary unit.

Hence, in Tanganyika, before the interaction with foregners there was no monetary unit nor money. Money was introduced during interactions. Money is not African creation, thus we have no knowledge on how to allocate.

But it is in Africa were foreign this receive positive reaction, for example, the capitalist countries wanted Africa to apply multiparty, we apply Poly-party, while the originators of multiparty applies Di-party (Two parties).

That is then the original reason for corruption in Africa, citing Tanzania as example.

Welcome for further discussion.

Analogia Malenga said:

There is no original Swahili word to mean Money. This is revealing truth which came after the intensive research that I have done.


The word that are in use in Swahili language to mean Money are the units of money which were used at that time. In this article I will discuss all of the terms which are used to mean Money.


Pesa & Hela.


The words, Pesa and Hela, are not Swahili ones but they have been modified from other languages. For example the word Hela comes from Germanic coin Heller which was used in Tanganyika during colonial regime. READ HERE.


The word Pesa was just a unit of money that were used during the same time with Heller. For those who read books or those who used novel and play books in answering exams, there is Swahili book called mfalme ****, by Farouk M. Topan Swahili words which mean Stupid King. It is in that book Farouk wrote, “…kwa kipindi hicho pesa mbili zilikuwa sawa na hela moja” means “…for that time two peso was equivalent to one Heller. That is very same to say that, “For this time two thousands shillings equals one dollar”


Fedha.


This word was firstly used to mean silver, the most known material which was used to mint money. The word Fedha, in its origin does not mean money, but as long as money used silver and sometimes gold the word took over and it is currently used to mean money.


Rupia comes from Indian monetary unit rupee.


Riyali comes from Arabic unit of money Riyal.


Faranga (Informal Swahili word to mean money) Faranga comes from the word francs, the French unit of money.


Shillingi


This is accepted as Tanzanian Monetary unit which was introduced by British in 1923, and there so many countries which use word shilling to mean their monetary unit.


Hence, in Tanganyika, before the interaction with foregners there was no monetary unit nor money. Money was introduced during interactions. Money is not African creation, thus we have no knowledge on how to allocate.


But it is in Africa were foreign this receive positive reaction, for example, the capitalist countries wanted Africa to apply multiparty, we apply Poly-party, while the originators of multiparty applies Di-party (Two parties).


That is then the original reason for corruption in Africa, citing Tanzania as example.





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Reference yako ni kiswahili+yaliyokuwa yanafanywa Tanganyika, kwingine je?

.mbona umezungumzia tanzania ukafanya hitimisho afrika nzima.
vipi kuhusu egypt ambayo iliendelea kitambo na inasemekana kulikuwa na kila kitu. hata watoto wa yakobo/israel walivyotumwa kununua chakula egypt walifanya exchange of money. pia unasemaje kuhusu ukweli kwamba hata hiyo money ya karatasi ilivumbuliwa china ambako hakuna uhusiano na mzungu wala ukoloni?

Gama said:

Reference yako ni kiswahili+yaliyokuwa yanafanywa Tanganyika, kwingine je?

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Nimezungumzia kiswahili kukosa neno kumaanisha Money, Africa at large, tulikuwa katika barter system until the coming of foreigners

MSEZA MKULU said:

.mbona umezungumzia tanzania ukafanya hitimisho afrika nzima.
vipi kuhusu egypt ambayo iliendelea kitambo na inasemekana kulikuwa na kila kitu. hata watoto wa yakobo/israel walivyotumwa kununua chakula egypt walifanya exchange of money. pia unasemaje kuhusu ukweli kwamba hata hiyo money ya karatasi ilivumbuliwa china ambako hakuna uhusiano na mzungu wala ukoloni?

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Kipindi hicho egypt hawakuwa wanatumia Bullion, kwa kiswahili tunasema vito. Most of the time walikuwa wanatumia Fedha, Shaba na dhahabu.

ni kama Tanganyika tulivyokuwa tunatumia Seashells kudetermine wealth ya mtu (Tembelea The caravan serai bagamoyo)

Zungumzia Mali walikuwa wanatumia chumvi, so we were still in our own ways of exchanging..tumelazimishwa hizi system mpya

Analogia Malenga said:

Kipindi hicho egypt hawakuwa wanatumia Bullion, kwa kiswahili tunasema vito. Most of the time walikuwa wanatumia Fedha, Shaba na dhahabu.

ni kama Tanganyika tulivyokuwa tunatumia Seashells kudetermine wealth ya mtu (Tembelea The caravan serai bagamoyo)

Zungumzia Mali walikuwa wanatumia chumvi, so we were still in our own ways of exchanging..tumelazimishwa hizi system mpya

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Sina hakika kama Dunia hii kuna mtu au taifa au jamii ya rangi fulani yenye patent ya medium of exchange.
Mataifa yaliyofanikiwa au kufeli hayana uhusiano wowote na medium of exchnge wala geographical location.
Maoni yangu.
Labda utoe mwanga zaidi mkuu

u have point Mkuu

MSEZA MKULU said:

Sina hakika kama Dunia hii kuna mtu au taifa au jamii ya rangi fulani yenye patent ya medium of exchange.
Mataifa yaliyofanikiwa au kufeli hayana uhusiano wowote na medium of exchnge wala geographical location.
Maoni yangu.
Labda utoe mwanga zaidi mkuu

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Nnacho jaribu kusema ni kuwa, ktk Kiswahili hatuna neno linaloweza kumaanisha 'Money', we had our own unregulated ways of transactions. Wameleta hizo ways za kuregulate and we are in.

but since way back hatukuwa na kitu kama hicho tunashindwa ku-allocate vizuri, matokeo yake 'Money' ni tatizo kwa mwafrika.
it is an 'alien' culture

Analogia Malenga said:

Nnacho jaribu kusema ni kuwa, ktk Kiswahili hatuna neno linaloweza kumaanisha 'Money', we had our own unregulated ways of transactions. Wameleta hizo ways za kuregulate and we are in.

but since way back hatukuwa na kitu kama hicho tunashindwa ku-allocate vizuri, matokeo yake 'Money' ni tatizo kwa mwafrika.
it is an 'alien' culture

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Habari.

Chanzo cha misunderstanding yako ni kutokana na wakati uliopo na matumizi ya jina unaona kuwa Swahili civilization hazina mfumo wa pesa which is wrong.

Swahili ilikuwa na coins zake hata kabla ya kuja kwa Arabs na Asians. Watu wa kwanza kufika na kufanya trade ni GrecoRomans na walileta influence ya kukua kwa miji iliyokuwa inatoa Dhahabu kutoka migodi ya empire kubwa ya Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe ilikwepo na coins zake, na zipo coins za Kilwa zilizokutwa Zimbabwe ambazo zilikwepo kabla ya External visitors wa Asia. Inaaminika Zimbabwe ilileta influence ya maendeleo na currency Azania Coast na kukua kwa miji kwa sababu ndipo goods zilikwepo zinatoka kwenda Raphta na kufanya trades na Romans.

Ukoloni na Slave trade zilikuja kuangusha currency ya Azania na ndio maana hata currency iliyopo na terminology zake zipo influenced na colonialism na Arabs. But ukienda before colonialism na arabic invention ilikwepo pesa na currency.

Money is African Creation. Ghana, Mali, Egypt zote ni African Civilization zilizokuwa na currency. Egypt was before Greeks na Romans. Na ndio iliyopelekea kuanzishwa kwa Greek civilization. Kuna African Emperors waliotawala Roma na Greeks.

Kuna mengi ya kuleta argument but muda unanipa limit. Natamani kuwaonyesha modern research zinasemaje ili waafrika wengi watambue historia kubwa iliyopo.

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Analogia Malenga said:

There is no original Swahili word to mean Money. This is revealing truth which came after the intensive research that I have done.

The word that are in use in Swahili language to mean Money are the units of money which were used at that time. In this article I will discuss all of the terms which are used to mean Money.

Pesa & Hela.

The words, Pesa and Hela, are not Swahili ones but they have been modified from other languages. For example the word Hela comes from Germanic coin Heller which was used in Tanganyika during colonial regime. READ HERE.

The word Pesa was just a unit of money that were used during the same time with Heller. For those who read books or those who used novel and play books in answering exams, there is Swahili book called mfalme ****, by Farouk M. Topan Swahili words which mean Stupid King. It is in that book Farouk wrote, “…kwa kipindi hicho pesa mbili zilikuwa sawa na hela moja” means “…for that time two peso was equivalent to one Heller. That is very same to say that, “For this time two thousands shillings equals one dollar”

Fedha.

This word was firstly used to mean silver, the most known material which was used to mint money. The word Fedha, in its origin does not mean money, but as long as money used silver and sometimes gold the word took over and it is currently used to mean money.

Rupia comes from Indian monetary unit rupee.

Riyali comes from Arabic unit of money Riyal.

Faranga (Informal Swahili word to mean money) Faranga comes from the word francs, the French unit of money.

Shillingi

This is accepted as Tanzanian Monetary unit which was introduced by British in 1923, and there so many countries which use word shilling to mean their monetary unit.

Hence, in Tanganyika, before the interaction with foregners there was no monetary unit nor money. Money was introduced during interactions. Money is not African creation, thus we have no knowledge on how to allocate.

But it is in Africa were foreign this receive positive reaction, for example, the capitalist countries wanted Africa to apply multiparty, we apply Poly-party, while the originators of multiparty applies Di-party (Two parties).

That is then the original reason for corruption in Africa, citing Tanzania as example.

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You have mixed up issues here such that, one fails to respond appropriately to your thread. In one instance, (your heading) you are talking about africa as a whole and in the other, (the body) you talk about Swahili. So, what is the thrust of your arguement?

Apollo said:

Habari.

Chanzo cha misunderstanding yako ni kutokana na wakati uliopo na matumizi ya jina unaona kuwa Swahili civilization hazina mfumo wa pesa which is wrong.

Swahili ilikuwa na coins zake hata kabla ya kuja kwa Arabs na Asians. Watu wa kwanza kufika na kufanya trade ni GrecoRomans na walileta influence ya kukua kwa miji iliyokuwa inatoa Dhahabu kutoka migodi ya empire kubwa ya Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe ilikwepo na coins zake, na zipo coins za Kilwa zilizokutwa Zimbabwe ambazo zilikwepo kabla ya External visitors wa Asia. Inaaminika Zimbabwe ilileta influence ya maendeleo na currency Azania Coast na kukua kwa miji kwa sababu ndipo goods zilikwepo zinatoka kwenda Raphta na kufanya trades na Romans.

Ukoloni na Slave trade zilikuja kuangusha currency ya Azania na ndio maana hata currency iliyopo na terminology zake zipo influenced na colonialism na Arabs. But ukienda before colonialism na arabic invention ilikwepo pesa na currency.

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Ninachokiona hapa ni wewe unachukua current definition ya money, kujustify kwamba we had money.

Kama utakuoa umesoma kitabu cha monetary economics cha Frederic S. Mishkin, The economics of Money, Banking and financial markets, jamaa ameweka ile broad definition ya money ambayo inajumuisha na M3.

Hizi ni tafsiri za vitabu ambazo in reality zinajitanua ili kuingiza kila kilichotumika ku-exchange kuwa money.

Kama utakuwa umesoma hata basic economics ya form six, utajua the current definition ya money, includes shares, bonds and wealth as well.

But tuache kuelewa money kwa definition ya vitabu ila kwa functions and functioning zake.

Later on unaweza kuniambia we had money, as long as we had wealth, provided wealth is included in broad definition of money kule kwenye M3.

Apollo said:

Money is African Creation. Ghana, Mali, Egypt zote ni African Civilization zilizokuwa na currency. Egypt was before Greeks na Romans. Na ndio iliyopelekea kuanzishwa kwa Greek civilization. Kuna African Emperors waliotawala Roma na Greeks.

Kuna mengi ya kuleta argument but muda unanipa limit. Natamani kuwaonyesha modern research zinasemaje ili waafrika wengi watambue historia kubwa iliyopo.

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Most of the history zinalazimisha kuwa tulikuwa na money, but we had not.

African societies zilikuwa communal, barter system ilikuwa ikitumika kabla ya hao wavamizi kuweka coins zao ili kupata namna ya kutawala.

Nitakuambia hivi, if utakubali kuwa silver/fedha ni money, then itabid pia ukubali kuwa Chumvi ni money, as long it was used as a medium of exchange.

Mfano Mali ilikuwa na chumvi as medium of exchange, is salt money?

kama salt ni money lets go back ambapo we still had barter system, utakuja kusema Mtama, na Mahindi ni Money, as long as they are included in broad category of money?

Cowrie shells were used as money in East Africa long before colonization.

Shell money - Wikipedia

Kiranga said:

Cowrie shells were used as money in East Africa long before colonization.

Shell money - Wikipedia

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Kwenye majibu yangu pale juu, nimesema ukienda hivyo utasema, Chumvi is money, as long as it was used as the medium of exchange. But lazima tujue hizi ni tafsiri zao za kuingiza kila kitu kwenye tafsiri ya pesa ambayo bado wanaiona kuwa haijakamilika.

Kama ukisoma kitabu cha monetary economics nlicho-cite above.

Utasema Cowshells, Salt, hata bidhaa zote zilizotumika as a medium of exchange kama mahindi nk.

Nasema ikumbukwe tukizungumzia money kwa tafsiri kubwa, hata device unayotumia kuchat humu inahesabiwa. (M2 & M3)
My argument's grounds are on layman's knowledge of money, excluding vitabu tulivyokaririshwa ili kuitwa wachumi

Kiranga said:

Cowrie shells were used as money in East Africa long before colonization.

Shell money - Wikipedia

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But then nipe jina la kiswahili kumaanisha money

Analogia Malenga said:

Most of the history zinalazimisha kuwa tulikuwa na money, but we had not.

African societies zilikuwa communal, barter system ilikuwa ikitumika kabla ya hao wavamizi kuweka coins zao ili kupata namna ya kutawala.

Nitakuambia hivi, if utakubali kuwa silver/fedha ni money, then itabid pia ukubali kuwa Chumvi ni money, as long it was used as a medium of exchange.

Mfano Mali ilikuwa na chumvi as medium of exchange, is salt money?

kama salt ni money lets go back ambapo we still had barter system, utakuja kusema Mtama, na Mahindi ni Money, as long as they are included in broad category of money?

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Data speaks! Not people!

Analogia Malenga said:

Ninachokiona hapa ni wewe unachukua current definition ya money, kujustify kwamba we had money.

Kama utakuoa umesoma kitabu cha monetary economics cha Frederic S. Mishkin, The economics of Money, Banking and financial markets, jamaa ameweka ile broad definition ya money ambayo inajumuisha na M3.

Hizi ni tafsiri za vitabu ambazo in reality zinajitanua ili kuingiza kila kilichotumika ku-exchange kuwa money.

Kama utakuwa umesoma hata basic economics ya form six, utajua the current definition ya money, includes shares, bonds and wealth as well.

But tuache kuelewa money kwa definition ya vitabu ila kwa functions and functioning zake.

Later on unaweza kuniambia we had money, as long as we had wealth, provided wealth is included in broad definition of money kule kwenye M3.

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Hata ukitaka kuelewa kiuchumi which is correct; Data speaks not my worlds!

Siwezi kubuni au kuzungumza tu bila kujua archaeological excavations zimepata nini.

Only data speaks na sio watu au paradigm inayotaka kujielewa itakavyo.