ichoboy01
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so 120km 3yrs au mumeanza kunusa harufu ya white elephant😀😀😀😀120 km plus internal container depot (icd)
na bandar ya mwanza na portbell ya uganda itafanya kua cheap zaidi na mm nakwambia hilo deni will take kenya 50yrs to pay it😀😀😀😀 yani deni limejaa ufisadi ndaniThe Cheapest SGR will win the business for Uganda. Highly unlikely for an expensive diesel powered, high maintenance railway with huge dollar loans repayment to beat an inexpensive faster electric train with very low maitenace costs and zero loans
Okay mimi si Engineer, i am an economist*inland container depot 😀
ok mr economist so tuambie hilo deni la mchina litawachukua miaka mingap ikiwa kipande cha kutoka nai to msa cost yake ni 4b usd without interest😀😀Okay mimi si Engineer, i am an economist
Sijaona hio loan agreement lakini kwa kawaida, miradi mikubwa kama hii huchukua zaidi ya miaka ishirini kulipa.ok mr economist so tuambie hilo deni la mchina litawachukua miaka mingap ikiwa kipande cha kutoka nai to msa cost yake ni 4b usd without interest😀😀
na je SGR aliowajengea mchina ndio mulikua munaisubiri kwa hamu???
sio hujaona ndio ilivo loan ya first phase imechukua 4b usd without interest sasa tuambie na je ndio modern SGR mlikua munaisubiri???Sijaona hio loan agreement lakini kwa kawaida, miradi mikubwa kama hii huchukua zaidi ya miaka ishirini kulipa.
very good, solid, sober, robust reply to Ichoboy. Better than I could have done myselfSGR phase 2A ilianza kujengwa mwaka Jana June, inatarajiwa kukamilika mwaka huu Dec 2018 au Jan 2019.
Loan ya SGR iko na 10 year grace period, meaning loan yenyewe itaanza kulipwa 2023 baada ya SGR kufika Uganda. Tuko na 5 yrs left to start paying.
Lengo la sasa ni by end of year, SGR iwe inabeba 1, 200 TEUs per day, tukitumia hio cama base line
1200 TEUs per day = 1200 x 365 days = 427, 200 TEUs per year
If we use flat rate charge of 50, 000 (thr actual charge by KPA will be 80, 000)
This translates to revenue of 427200 x 50, 000 = 21,360, 000, 000 ksh per year or $213.6 Million USD per year .
The SGR perseger service makes $6.1 Million a year... lets assume that this pays all the workers, fuel + maintanance
So, for phase 1 alone.... paying back $4B will take 4, 000/213.6 = 18 yrs
18 years is a small time in paying a loan, there are loans that some countries have taken +40 yrs to pay. Infact the SGR loan payment period is 40 yrs, as not all the revenue generated will go to paying the loan, but if we wanted to, we could repay the loan in 10 yrs! KPA alone generates a profit of $300m a year,
And ofcorse the calculations I've done are abstract, but they should give you an idea, also those estimations are using what we expect in 2018, by 2022 we expect the SGR to be handling 2, 400 Teus per day imports+exports so when we start paying the loan we might even have some change left each time we repay.
Dont forget we also have the rail levy where we tax 1.5% of each of all goods imported through Mombasa, if for some reason the SGR doesnt generate enough revenue, we still have that option
Ichoboy, Kafrican amekujibu vizurI. Hata sitaongezea kitu.sio hujaona ndio ilivo loan ya first phase imechukua 4b usd without interest sasa tuambie na je ndio modern SGR mlikua munaisubiri???
alichoandika ni nonsense na swali nililokuuliza mm nilijua huwezi kulijibu 😀😀😀😀😀Ichoboy, Kafrican amekujibu vizurI. Hata sitaongezea kitu.
very educated response,intelligent analysis.SGR phase 2A ilianza kujengwa mwaka Jana June, inatarajiwa kukamilika mwaka huu Dec 2018 au Jan 2019.
Loan ya SGR iko na 10 year grace period, meaning loan yenyewe itaanza kulipwa 2023 baada ya SGR kufika Uganda. Tuko na 5 yrs left to start paying.
Lengo la sasa ni by end of year, SGR iwe inabeba 1, 200 TEUs per day, tukitumia hio cama base line
1200 TEUs per day = 1200 x 365 days = 427, 200 TEUs per year
If we use flat rate charge of 50, 000 (thr actual charge by KPA will be 80, 000)
This translates to revenue of 427200 x 50, 000 = 21,360, 000, 000 ksh per year or $213.6 Million USD per year .
The SGR perseger service makes $6.1 Million a year... lets assume that this pays all the workers, fuel + maintanance
So, for phase 1 alone.... paying back $4B will take 4, 000/213.6 = 18 yrs
18 years is a small time in paying a loan, there are loans that some countries have taken +40 yrs to pay. Infact the SGR loan payment period is 40 yrs, as not all the revenue generated will go to paying the loan, but if we wanted to, we could repay the loan in 10 yrs! KPA alone generates a profit of $300m a year,
And ofcorse the calculations I've done are abstract, but they should give you an idea, also those estimations are using what we expect in 2018, by 2022 we expect the SGR to be handling 2, 400 Teus per day imports+exports so when we start paying the loan we might even have some change left each time we repay.
Dont forget we also have the rail levy where we tax 1.5% of each of all goods imported through Mombasa, if for some reason the SGR doesnt generate enough revenue, we still have that option
Poor Mathematics. You are assuming that SGR will face no competition from Tz SGR which is bound to be cheaper per Teu/km. At this time, Charges are subsidized at 50% and still its difficult to get cargo.If the mombasa expressway is built, SGR will face even more competition-shooting themselves on the foot.SGR phase 2A ilianza kujengwa mwaka Jana June, inatarajiwa kukamilika mwaka huu Dec 2018 au Jan 2019.
Loan ya SGR iko na 10 year grace period, meaning loan yenyewe itaanza kulipwa 2023 baada ya SGR kufika Uganda. Tuko na 5 yrs left to start paying.
Lengo la sasa ni by end of year, SGR iwe inabeba 1, 200 TEUs per day, tukitumia hio cama base line
1200 TEUs per day = 1200 x 365 days = 427, 200 TEUs per year
If we use flat rate charge of 50, 000 (thr actual charge by KPA will be 80, 000)
This translates to revenue of 427200 x 50, 000 = 21,360, 000, 000 ksh per year or $213.6 Million USD per year .
The SGR perseger service makes $6.1 Million a year... lets assume that this pays all the workers, fuel + maintanance
So, for phase 1 alone.... paying back $4B will take 4, 000/213.6 = 18 yrs
18 years is a small time in paying a loan, there are loans that some countries have taken +40 yrs to pay. Infact the SGR loan payment period is 40 yrs, as not all the revenue generated will go to paying the loan, but if we wanted to, we could repay the loan in 10 yrs! KPA alone generates a profit of $300m a year,
And ofcorse the calculations I've done are abstract, but they should give you an idea, also those estimations are using what we expect in 2018, by 2022 we expect the SGR to be handling 2, 400 Teus per day imports+exports so when we start paying the loan we might even have some change left each time we repay.
Dont forget we also have the rail levy where we tax 1.5% of each of all goods imported through Mombasa, if for some reason the SGR doesnt generate enough revenue, we still have that option
Because of corruption.Kinachonishangaza ni kama mradi was SGR Kenya hauna good plans how the hell they built a container inland port without thinking of landlocked cargo?
maneno mazuri kabisaPoor Mathematics. You are assuming that SGR will face no competition from Tz SGR which is bound to be cheaper per Teu/km. At this time, Charges are subsidized at 50% and still its difficult to get cargo.If the mombasa expressway is built, SGR will face even more competition-shooting themselves on the foot.
The other issue is Mombasa port, its hegemony as EAC gateway is being undermined. Rwanda Shifted to Dar port, Magufuli is Just a few years away from literaly giving Uganda the Tanga Port exclusively for their use. Rwanda is looking at being the inland port for eastern Congo by extending Tz' Sgr to kigali.
Relying in Railway development levy to payback sgr Loans is very stupid. It will just make potential customers for mombasa port to avoid it and seek ports that do not charge such kind of taxes
Sasa wewe unaongelea Kisumu. Sisi tutakuwa tunafikisha Mawanza ikibidi Portbell cause meli ya umoja imeshatengenezwaWhy do you guys have such weired interpretation of things, no wonder you alway end up hurting, confused, bitter when Kenya beats you hands down on something .
1) In the Video, The Ugandan guy says that Nairobi ICD can not possibly handle Ugandan+Nairobi+Rwandan cargo as tha would lead to conjestion once more.
2) The Kenyan guy says, the Nairobi ICD has capacity of over 450,000 TEU p.a and they have bought 3 plots of land for future expansion.
3) I say, The SGR mdiam term goals is to transport 1,200 TEU per day which translated to around 440,000 TEUs p.a, currently as we speak, Kenya SGR does approx 400TEUS per day and is expected to reac 600TEUS by june and continue like that....So the fact of the matter is as we speak, we are not there yet, we are operating below capacity...
4) When we get to Naivasha, Th 2nd dry port wll be built, Uganda,Rwanda,DRC cargo will stop using Nairobi ICD, they wil pick their cargo from Naivasha ICD which would be closer.
5) By th time the SGR reaches Kisumu, the Kisumu port will be built, This is the intended ICD that will handle EA goods as it is closer to that region. Nairobi ICD is just temporarybut when SGR gets finished, Nairobi IDC will only handle cargo destined for Nairobi
6) Mombasa port has a capacity of 1.5 million TEUs but handled 1.1 Million TEUs last year. On the other hand, Dar port handled 0.54 Million TEUs.... Therefore Kenya can handle bigger volume more efficiently than Tanzania.
SGR inafika Naivasha Mwakani, sleepers zimeshaunganiswa na reli zinangoja kulazwa juu ya matuta phase 2A
Poor Mathematics. You are assuming that SGR will face no competition from Tz SGR which is bound to be cheaper per Teu/km. At this time, Charges are subsidized at 50% and still its difficult to get cargo.If the mombasa expressway is built, SGR will face even more competition-shooting themselves on the foot.
The other issue is Mombasa port, its hegemony as EAC gateway is being undermined. Rwanda Shifted to Dar port, Magufuli is Just a few years away from literaly giving Uganda the Tanga Port exclusively for their use. Rwanda is looking at being the inland port for eastern Congo by extending Tz' Sgr to kigali.
Relying in Railway development levy to payback sgr Loans is very stupid. It will just make potential customers for mombasa port to avoid it and seek ports that do not charge such kind of taxes
Sasa wewe unaongelea Kisumu. Sisi tutakuwa tunafikisha Mawanza ikibidi Portbell cause meli ya umoja imeshatengenezwa
Distance ya kisumu ni mbali sana. Pili kuhusu Rwanda msahau cause Kagame he is not interested with that route
Planning is the most important part of a succesful country. Rwanda is planning to extend SGR, UG is also planning to have an SGR.as usual, stories of giants straight out of ur 'arse'. pliz come back when tz has an sgr.
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