NBA Season 2015 - 2016: Special thread

Malafyale said:
Is Kobe any near better than Durant?
Online voting is always a shit!!
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Kumbe hufuatilii NBA jamaa anaangalia mechi then unalala mbele...

Kobe anavotiwa sana sababu ni his last season...

BTW, u got a controversial question.. Is Kobe any near better than Durant?? Are u talking about Career-wise au this season tu??
 
Malafyale said:
He got 28 years on this coming March!Curry has only 2 more seasons to shine before his performance start to deplete!Nigga got some very pretty old age
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Lebron alishinda his first ring akiwa na miaka mingapi mkuu??

2 more season to shine?? teh teh teh teh waambie ambao wanacheza physical game ndio wanawahi kuchoka even before 35.. Curry anatumia akili na amepunguziwa majukumu mengi tu.. Ndio maana huwezi kuta anagombania Rebounds kama akina Westbrook...
 
Just chill and dirty off your shoulder, bruv!. Coz in here, there are some who knows and appreciate every aspect of the game straight up, those who are guided by statistics, and ultimately, those who are just "hurrah" with their whims!. Ain't calling names here, just a weird observation in just a short time (so it ain't outta reasonable questioning range). Steph Curry
 
Well said bruv... I'll consider that...
 
Steph Curry said:
Kumbe hufuatilii NBA jamaa anaangalia mechi then unalala mbele...

Kobe anavotiwa sana sababu ni his last season...

BTW, u got a controversial question.. Is Kobe any near better than Durant?? Are u talking about Career-wise au this season tu??
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Mkuu
Kobe kwa sasa ana aga so anapata kura za huruma tu!His time is OVER
Career wise kwa wachezaji wote wa NBA active hamna wa kumfikia Kobe,hata Tim hawezi mfikia Kobe ,mm nazungumzia miaka hii miwili mitatu iliyopita!

Hivi unajua Yao Ming alikuwa anamfunika Shaq kwa sababu ya kura hizi?
 
Mkuu sina cha kubishana na wewe tena... Curry is just overrated, now let's enjoy the game of basketball without exchanging words or comparing no one to anyone..

My dawg hapo juu kasema vyema sana...
 
Steph Curry said:
Mkuu sina cha kubishana na wewe tena... Curry is just overrated, now let's enjoy the game of basketball without exchanging words or comparing no one to anyone..

My dawg hapo juu kasema vyema sana...
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Tutakualika kwenye sherehe ya ubingwa,uje tule mishikaki
 
An all-time great? Hold off bit on that accolade for Curry

The Warriors' star ranks fourth on one list of the all-time best point guards -- which several NBA legends say is too high a spot.

Top four?
Ahead of the likes of Isiah Thomas, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Clyde Frazier and a litany of other all-time great NBA point guards and some -- Tiny Archibald, Gary Payton, Tony Parker and so many more -- who didn't even make the top 10? That's a lofty position for reigning the Kia MVP (and this season's frontrunner) Stephen Curry, who could very well be in the early stages of a career that could see him climb that list of all-time greats one day.

But ESPN.com's ranking of the top 10 players all-time at every position, which began with the point guard list Tuesday, has stirred things up for not only fans, pundits and casual observers, but for the men who starred at the position in the past. And that includes some of the other luminaries on the list, namely the man on top of the list, Hall of Famer and Los Angeles Lakers' legend Magic Johnson. He immediately voiced his objection, via Twitter, to any list that has Hall of Famer John Stockton (No. 3) and Curry ahead of Thomas (No. 5).

Magic has a valid point. Curry, as great as he's been the last season and a half, remains a work in progress. And so should his status among the game's all-time greats.

"It's ridiculous, just ridiculous," TNT and NBA TV analyst Chris Webber said on ESPN Radio Thursday. "When you talk about point guards, I'd have to say Big O (Oscar Robertson, who was No. 2 on the list), Magic and Isiah. It's that simple. Isiah's won two championships ... he's one of the best small guards ever. I don't even think it's close.

"You have to look at Isiah's college career, where he won a championship. The leadership, the ballhandling. He was Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry. "Steph Curry, in my opinion, is the most talented guard I've ever seen, I mean skill-wise he may be the best dribbler and he may be the best shooter. He may be the best [one day], but you can't be the best until he does it for years. Two years of doing it does not make you the best. I don't care if someone averages 40 for two years, that doesn't make you best. Longevity is what speaks for your career."

NBA TV analyst Greg Anthony, who starred at the position in both college and the NBA, agrees with Magic and his NBA TV Fan Night counterpart Webber. He cautions anyone ready to anoint Curry as an all-time great to slow down, especially since Curry has so much of his career still ahead of him.

You have to look at Isiah's college career, where he won a championship. The leadership, the ballhandling. He was Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry.– Chris Webber, on Hall of Famer Isiah Thomas

As otherworldly as Curry has been this season, Anthony said he's not even sure Curry is the Warriors' "most valuable player" this season. "In basketball, one player has more impact than in any other team sport, because you only play five at a time and you have to play both ways," Anthony said. "So any (MVP list) will typically include all of the top guys, and Steph's going to be on that list. But I've said this before, Steph Curry is probably the MVP of the league, at least to this point of the season, but Draymond Green is the MVP of their team. Because of the way they play, he allows Steph to play the way that he does. The functionality of your team, impact on both ends, how people have to gameplan against you and a whole host of things go into it. Now the reality is, that's my criteria. Yours might be totally different."

Thomas just smiled when informed of the names on the list ahead of and behind him. He had nothing but praise for Curry and said he appreciated Magic coming to his defense. Then he paused, looked up at the ceiling and raised another valid point.
"What about Tony Parker?" he said. "He's been the best point guard of his era, the most accomplished, by far ... if he's not on the list, I don't know what to say."

NB: to all of you Curry fanatics, one thing you pretend to ignore in my posts is this: I haven't said Curry isn't the best player in the game at the moment (last 1.5 seasons), I have said couple of times, the dude is talented, VERY TALENTED. The only thing that I don't agree with you is saying he is the best in NBA history. As most of the conscious pundits, former players, fans and supporters of the game say, IT IS TOO EARLY to have such a judgement. I have been saying this a million times: Curry needs to do what has been doing in the past 1.5 seasons CONSISTENTLY. I repeat AGAIN, CONSISTENCE is what defines GREATNESS. Let him do that for over five seasons or more (though he will be 28 soon, but, he still has more than 5 seasons of playing, if nothing happens to him), and then we discuss this over again, in God's willing.
 
Mag3 said:
The next Steph Curry and not Irving what!
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Ha ha ha! Mazee, I asked for 1-on-1 challenge between Curry and Irving, and you brought jokes. I'm not talking about shooting them 3-points etc. It is a ball dribbling and handling 1-on-1 on the court, just like it is traditionally done in the street. Both Curry and Irving have street-like techniques in dribbling and handling the ball. Of course, let's not forget AI has been there, done that.
 

You got me on this. I don’t watch GSW regularly. I only watch them when playing good teams. But, you missed what I intended to say with the questions. I was actually wondering what it even means (on the court) saying, “he is frequently doubled/triple teamed,creationg ''HIGH SCORING OPPORTUNITIES'' to his teammates).This can be evidenced by The Improvement of Draymond,Ian Clark,B.Rush and even Barbosa,not to mention Klay.” Because, by the sense of the game, if that happens, then he should be leading in providing assists. If you understand what I mean by ‘the sense of the game’.

Tyta said:
as long long as you appreciate greatness and Curry`s impact to the game of basketball in general, you will never understand me...
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Is there a need for me to write explicitly that I appreciate Curry’s impacts to GSW and the game in the last 1.5 seasons? That’s no brainer chief. I have said this many times, he is the best right now. But, I have questioned his consistency: where has he been before the last 1.5. seasons? And I asked you to define what you meant by a player’s impact. You gave an excuse, he has been injured: I asked you how games he missed in what season(s) because of injuries. Let me add this question too: as a Curry fan (I'm not sure you are a GSW fan), what has happened all over sudden for him to being playing great basketball in the last 1.5 seasons? What made him change and have impact on his team?

Tyta said:
Gary Payton is a hof, an elite PG in his Prime..infact he is top 10 all time in assists..But do you know he only averaged 6.7 careerwise,less than the man you hate Curry,whose career average in assist is 6.9 so far .What can you say about that?
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First of all, since when does questioning someone’s perceived greatness is hatred?! So, by questioning and trying to understand Curry’s all-time greatness (according to his fanatics), now I’m a hater! What is wrong with this world?! Why should I hate on someone who doesn’t even know that I exist. Why should I show my hatred in front of bunch of Curry’s fanatics whom Curry himself doesn’t know if they exist! Does it even make sense to think of hatred in that context?!

Secondly, of course if bring average into the picture, many explanations come up. But, one that is apparent is that Curry is a better provider of assists than Payton due to the number of games played and total assists made. That is why Magic is considered better than Stockton: Stockton has more assists made, but Magic has a better career average, 11.9 NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Assists Per Game | Basketball-Reference.com. By the way, Curry is 29th if you bring the average factor in.


Tyta said:
do not overlook Curry's passing ability simply because he shoots so efficiently from anywhere on the court..That is something no other Pg,past and present had done....
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No other PG, past and present had done? Is that an authoritative claim or just an opinion? If the former is true, then you have to prove it chief.

Tyta said:
A best PG and a Player is the one who does all his best to help his team win...and ultimately take the ''Larry O'Brien''....Individual stats should just be a result of making your team better...
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That’s no brainer if we consider what Curry has done to his team in the last 1.5 seasons. He has helped them win championships (conference and NBA titles). If we go 5.5 seasons back, I doubt it if you would say that again. In God’s willing, let’s wait and see what Curry will do in the coming seasons. If he keeps doing what is doing now, NO DOUBT, he will be one of the greats.

Tyta said:
You saw what happened to Russel Westbrook and THe OKC Last year.That's why I always have utmost respect for the Spurs Organization. They deserve everything they have achieved,because individual stats come second..
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I know. I have never been Westbrook’s fan. I like Durant. And I think he deserves a better team than OKC if he wants to have a ring. Though, I was watching Isiah Thomas’ punditry on Westbrook, he thinks that Westbrook has changed this season. He now plays for his team, and not as a stats monger.

Tyta said:
oh yes...TONY PARKER...And he is 5.9 APG Careerwise....He still can ball and whoop any one`s @$$..including my GSW(i always appreciate greatness)
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With no disrespect to TP, but such APG leaves a lot of questions, the kinda of questions that I’m not going to ask in here.

Tyta said:
my conclusion:You are more into individual stats than team's stat and performance....
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So, now you say team’s stats and performance are more important? What happened to: Curry was in the NBA rookie team of the season, he was the 2nd rookie of the season etc? His shooting (3-points) and ball handling prowess? Are these not individual stats?

By the way, I certainly believe that all the greatest players are valued for their individual stats and contributions to the team. You can’t be a great player by being better in one of those. You need to be brilliantly and ridiculously good as an individual, and carry your team to greatness, that is what great players have always done. That is why when talking about great players (as great NBA players, not as great players in specific playing positions), L. Bird, Timmy D, M. Jordan, K. Bryant, L. James, M. Johnson, B. Russel, K. Abdul-Jabeer, and H. Olujuwan always pop-up. They have better individual stats and did/have done great things for their teams.

Tyta said:
There is no point of Averaging 10plus Assists and still failing to get a playoff spot....
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Is that in a season? Can you mention PGs with 10+ APG and failing to get playoff spots? Names please!

Tyta said:
give me an honest answer on this qstn...
If any of those PGs had better shots than Curry, how would he average in assist?....
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I don’t have an honest answer; honest is very relative and broadly subjective too. So, don’t try to bring abstract/hypothetical facts while discussing realities. Those PGs did best for what they were supposed to do, providing assists. If they had better shots, they would have been talked as the best shooting guards. But, as point guards, that is where they are standing right now.

Tyta said:
What is the objective of making an assist if you can score?.....he is a pg and does exceptionally better than his peers in executing shots.
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Of course, but if a PG in the team doesn’t do what a PG is supposed to do, who is going to provide assists to others? I thought you said basketball is a team sport; individualism doesn’t matter, uh? So, now you are saying Curry as a PG, he just scores because he has individual abilities to do that. By the way, I remember reading you saying that Curry started as SG, what happened? Then, you said he is a combo guard!!

Tyta said:
6.4 APG is a descent number,you can deal with it...a base for your ''conservative'' thoughts..this is 2016......................not 1970s.....
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If you think what I’m saying and questioning, is ‘conservative’ hell yeah, let me be. YES, 6.4 is a descent number. But, not for someone to be called the best ever PG, while there is a person with 11.9 APG.
 
Tyta said:
so curry doesnt fit any of the bolded features...
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Of course, it fits what Curry does. But, not as THE BEST.

Tyta said:
his pace supports this argument...he is definately among the best PG any team would like to have...you will come to appreciate this,when all said and done...
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If you have been reading me in a free state of mind (without judging me a hater before even start reading), you will definitely understand that: I have said million times, Curry is very talented, and he has all the potentials to be one of the greatest players ever played. But, he needs consistency and do what he does for more seasons.


I have no hatred chief. I have already responded to this ‘hatred’ thingy.

One thing that you need to understand, saying ‘hardest to guard’ is very relative and subjective. Only players who have actually played against Curry are somehow in a better position to say that. So, what happens to those who haven’t played against him? Did Curry play against Dikembe? Alonzo? Kareem? Hakeem? He may be the ‘hardest to guard’ right now, but does it make him ‘THE hardest to guard’ in NBA history? Such relative and subjective claims are the reasons why statistics are usually used to judge greatness in players.

Tyta said:
coming up with monetary value is total crap when we are talking on the court issues....so keep on guessing what actually I am talking about...
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Again, you missed the point behind my question. As a conscious person, you would have responded to what I asked, and not otherwise. Was it difficult for you to say, you meant ‘this’ by what you said about player’s value?

Tyta said:
you keep bashing Curry for no sensible and logical reasoning(yes because you have excluded alot of key factors)...meanwhile you are praising all the top PG who currently have more assists than Curry..What a bias analysis is this?
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If what I’m writing is ‘bashing Curry’ to you, then I’m starting to question your abilities to grasp what I write.

Besides, as a critical realist, I believe no human being isn’t bias. You won’t avoid being bias if you were born by other human beings; raised by human beings; taught by other human beings; and nurtured by other human beings and their surroundings etc.. That is, I don’t believe in 'unbiasedness'. So, never mind me being biased towards Curry based on the stats. Statistics influence my biasness towards him, if I put it in the simplest sense.

Tyta said:
SO GSW were only playing ''tik tak'' without the style winning them championship?...may I keep on reminding you who the reigning NBA champs are?
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Again, you failed to understand my point and why I said about ‘tiki taka’. I rose the point about ‘tiki taka’ based on what you were saying that Curry has been sizzling (in being a badass shooter, dribbler, handler, passer etc.) since 2009, and not just the last 1.5 seasons. So, the point was to ask what his value to the team was.


I now certainly believe that you take me as a hater even before start reading what I write. I have said it couple of times that Curry is the best in the game right now. There is no doubt about it. For the past 1.5 seasons he has been blistering.
I raised the monetary value out of not knowing exactly how you defined a player’s value in the game (you haven't answered this). You were so vague that I had to imagine what you were thinking when writing what you wrote. It isn’t a big deal if you didn’t mean monetary value.
 
For the record, if you address me in your posts, say it to my face. Don't hide behind the lines. BE A MAN.
I'm saying this for the last time, I don't have to hate someone who doesn't know my existence. And I would never be JEALOUS, not only to someone who doesn't know me, but also, even to those who know me. JEALOUS SIYO MZUKA BAB
I'm addicted to learning from those who have made it (here I mean in my personal life). So, I don't 'jealous' traits in and on me.
 
Tyta said:
greatness appreciate greatness....
GSW Ni mfano wa kuigwa...It is setting an example on how an organization should be run..
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Really? So, teams should learn how an organization has been run successfully in 1.5 seasons? The kind of a team that was 'nonexistent' in the past five seasons ago? What should people really learn from an organization that has been struggling even to get a playoff spot for 12 seasons? Now, suddenly after successive 1.5 seasons, it is the best run NBA franchise?!? What exactly is there to learn from GSW as a franchise? Why should people learn how to run an organisation from GSW and not the greatest franchises like the Boston Celtics, LA Lakers and even Chicago Bulls?

Tyta said:
It has won its championship primarly from its draftees...It was not a team of ready made All Stars,superstars and ex-champions..It has literally not bought a championship....how sweet is that...!...
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So, is GSW the first team to win championships from its draftees?! By the way, it seems you are ignoring Iguodala’s impact on the team especially in the Finals (Finals’ MVP). Iguodala was an already made NBA star, wasn’t he?

Tyta said:
I just fail to understand how someone is as salty as a dead sea
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Of course, you will never understand with your characterisation of me as a hater and jealous person.
 

Bruv, you two are both great fellas to be around! You Nzi and Tyta lighten up this little forum of ours (or I like to view our thread as so) but sometimes I can't help but wish you to stop all this back and forth arguing and name-calling. We are all fans of some teams, some players/athletes, and some franchises... But I don't think that should be tu he reason for us to head-butt each other all the time. Fans be fans, but let's remain gentlemen!

Kudos to y'all, bruvs! You appreciate one of the great games to ever been played!.

cc. Nyani Ngabu Stephen Curry @Mag33 and all the ballers in here.
 
Word.
 
Bruv Nyani Ngabu you there?!
 

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No wonder you couldn't even see the significance of what you are calling a joke, you are too consumed with your dislike of the man that led the squad that brought down your favorite "king", you failed to read between the lines. Curry's prowess in handling and dribbling the ball has become every young player's dream to achieve. There's a basketball court outside my window and every evening I sit there and watch young upcoming players trying to emulate whatever Curry does on court. I have yet to hear or see any kid trying to emulate Irving!
 
In the honour of King Shaat who advised me to stop the 'head-butting', I pretend not to have seen this post of yours.
 
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