PanguPakavu Amy
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- Jul 7, 2007
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ever heard of common sense?u won't sell you bicycle at a price of a Maserati unless that bicycle is an antique!So how is what you are describing relate to government regulations? Did the government stop the seller from listing his or her house for $500K? The fact that the real estate market may or may not force the seller to lower the asking price has nothing to do with any government regulation. This is what you are not getting.
hao wenye nyumba wana-hizo common sense..,so they act accordingly..,lets say rationally
ndugu kama bado unafikiria inflated house will sell under current economy situation,u r well not in touch with the reality.i can't say no more.
you were looking for documented proof of how the governments of US,Japan,China influenced property markets..,i didn't provide those.i said i wouldn't.tafuta mwenyewe.
i just gave u a single link that would lead you to an understanding of the whole thing.it seems it wont be easy for you to just get it!
don't mind,i wont waste 3 more pages to on that!
HAO EXPATRIETS may afford those properties BUT they have got their countries to attend to,they won't waste $1.5M upanga!!that is impossible.labda hao wahindi kama wana-qualify hapo..,
Lakini kwa expatriate yeyote yule ni ku -rent.while saving money for retirement..,they worry about that to as much as we do.
ebwana some archives za jambo forums.ukimaliza nenda Library pekua magazeti yoote.there you have your proof.recently kuna kesi ya mramba na wenzake..,tazama thamani za nyumba wanazomiliki..,
double check with chenge kuita a million vijisenti,kama unataka ushahidi zaidi pole ndugu.
kwa sasa hivi kuna nyumba zaidi ya Milioni kadhaa haziuziki marekani,same as china.sasa kama hukubali overpricing will cause your house to not sell that is your unique problem
Hata Greenspan alikubali kukosea,wewe uko sure sana!!mmh..,
anyways,they will definitely have an impact.positive or negative..,
laws na policies za majimbo hayo mawili ni tofauti,inabidi ujue hilo!!
sababu ya arkansas kuwa na lower real estate prices..,shows how much tanzania should be expected to have even lower prices!!
by the way i can never compare Dar prices with any city in the US.it's just pathetic.i once posted a very simple evaluation of most expensive Property market trends..,as u could see..,african cities that could even be mentions were cairo,cape town and the like...,notice something?!they are in no same level as dar..,kama hukubali na hilo,sorry
prices of homes tend to rice when there is an economic boom,and at very high percentages it goes at 50% growth annually.
Warning signals about dar boom is that:-the economy is at worst shape,our curreency is shaky,unemployment is very high,political stability is in peril..,not to mention our GDP is hardly a thousand usd!!
How can this be possible??hivi ndugu huoni tatizo hapo?!
there is nothing wrong with having higher prices of houses if the economy reflects that!
i don't know the exact location of that LA property,BUT $500k in some area codes in LA can not even get you a parking space.
Wanauza Land kule,sie tunakopa land kutoka serikalini kujengea nyumba zetu!!ever heard of title deed!!
nazijua nyumba nilizoziona nikaweka hapa,nafahamu locatioin zao,when i said they are not worth that much,i did not say if they were in Paris,they would still not be worth what they are...,LOCATION,u said that before..,and so far code number 255 hatujafikia huko..,tutafika one day..,ila sio kwa mwendo huo.
kwa kifupi ni kuwa land iliyopo LA can go for a very high price...,
NIMECHOKA KUKUJIBU,What is the point of all this?!
ever heard of common sense?u won't sell you bicycle at a price of a Maserati unless that bicycle is an antique!
hao wenye nyumba wana-hizo common sense..,so they act accordingly..,lets say rationally
If their economic situation is good why not? If there are no other houses in that neighborhood for sale why not? If you have to buy that house for whatever reason why not? No government regulation can stop that sell.
Here is a bottom line. Government regulations have no direct influence on real estate pricing. The way assessors value one's house in America (at least in the state of new york from the link you posted) is primarly by sales comparison.
The most common way to determine the market value of a residential property is to use the sales comparison approach. This is the primary method used by professional appraisers to determine the market value of residential properties.
Source:
How Estimates of Market Value are Determined for Residential Properties
Now sales comparison is simply looking at the real estate market of a particular area. It doesn't mean the government influence that particular real estate market in any shape or form. Do you at least understand this part?
it seems u have no IDEA how the government play part in this!!!
kasome Indexing..,and related stuffs,review NY Land,property,Home ownership related Laws,may be California..,then come back to argue..,don't ask me for sources..,am sort of tired of that.
really tired of replying to u.
I am in agreement with Pungupakavu....hakuna nyumba yoyote TZ inayofikia $1.5 million, you would believe me if you have seen THE $1.5 million homes in Bethesda, MD or those mansions in California and Hollywood! Jamani tuwe wakweli......If you compare the housing standards, infrastructure and public services....hakuna nyumba inayofikia $1.5 in Tanzania jamani! Furthermore, homes cost so much in the US and everywhere else because in those places, land is for sale....our land is practically free!
I don't mean to put down our properties, but if we are talking about REAL/TRUE property assessment and evaluation, maybe IKULU is approximately valued above $1.5, but no more that $4.0 million!
The rest is just a lot of spices mixed in by a lot of cooks....mafisadi, corrupt officials, wadosi, etc.....;-)
i never said paying laki mbili sinza is impossible,and if you think paying laki mbili is a lot of money sawa eeh...,Lakini am talking realities..,kununua nyumba london na kununua nyumba dar are 2 different things!!kama unabisha hayaa..,
sikatai dunia ni kijiji..,BUT if u even think housing quality ya Dar na LONDON ni sawa,then hilo ni tatizo lako.
I dont need to do research i have lived in most places u have mentions except SA,and i have real life experience on that.
what's important is affording the property.not the price.kama wewe unafikiria mtanzania anaweza ku-afford property LONDON then u are not on par with reality.
UNLESS awe fisadi,BUT kwa median salary ya nyumbani hiyo ni IMPOSSIBLE!hao wanaonunua nyumba za $1.5m ni wezi,Period.
what amazes me is how stupid they are,cause the properties aint even worth that in the first place!
Najua watanzania tunamsemo 'bongo kama mamtoni".HELL NO!!not even close,tunajipa moyo..which is a good thing,but we have a long way to go.
kwenye bei za nyumba tunasema tuko nao sawa,ikifika wakati wa barabara na vitu vya msingi tunasema kule ulaya bwana![/QUOTE]
PANGUPAKAVU tuangalie hoja iliyopo mbele yetu kama ilivyoletwa na mwanaJF mwenzetu GAME THEORY.
Suala hapa ilikuwa ni kuangalia kama bei alizosema ni kweli zipo na kama zipo zinasababishwa na nini.
Naona mjumbe unaongelea sana masuala ya GDP, per capita income, multiplier effect na economics nyingi tu! Uki-apply uchumi wako wa darasani you will be confusing things here na utapotosha watu. Una-base sana kwenye vitabu bila kuangalia what is happening on the ground. Mimi na THE TRUTH tunaongelea zaidi practicability of what is happening much as the property market is concerned in Dar, but you seem to dwell on economic theory of it. UNLESS WE ALL SWIMM IN THE SAME BOAT, then tutaelewana.
Property market is notorious imperfect and it has got its unique features as compared to other type of investments. Ndio maana waweza kuwa unatafuta nyumba ya kupanga ukaenda let say kwa dalali mjini kule Kariakoo ama posta akakuleta nyumba ya mikocheni just behind the house you intend to vacate.
Wakati naongelea kulipa laki2 sinza sikumaanisha kwamba that is very expensive to pay. Did I say it anyway as you qouted me, au ndo mwendelezo wa kupotosha watu? hii ni nguvu ya hoja au hoja ya nguvu unatumia MR. PANGUPAKAVU? Nilikuwa najaribu kukuonyesha jinsi nguvu ya soko inavyo-determine bei but unaongelea government intervention as is if we are under centrally planned economies. Na hapo ndo unashindwa kuelewana na THE TRUTH na kuwa na hasira eti you are tired of replying him. Usitake kukimbia hoja mjumbe!!!!!!!!!
Unasema kununua nyumba London na kununua nyumba Dar are two different things! In what sense? Do you mean in terms of quality, price or terms of currency used? Yah London unawezalipa kwa GBP but still people can buy, na Tanzanians own propertis in London. Najua utarudi kwenye hoja zako za per capita income na GDP, but the issue ni kwamba can people own it or not. Masuala ya kipato cha mtu au pesa kapata wapi hiyo ni hoja nyingine kabisa na tushajadili sana hapa hayo masuala ya EPA na money laundering. Najitahidi sana nieleweke labda maelezo yangu
i never said paying laki mbili sinza is impossible,and if you think paying laki mbili is a lot of money sawa eeh...,Lakini am talking realities..,kununua nyumba london na kununua nyumba dar are 2 different things!!kama unabisha hayaa..,
sikatai dunia ni kijiji..,BUT if u even think housing quality ya Dar na LONDON ni sawa,then hilo ni tatizo lako.
I dont need to do research i have lived in most places u have mentions except SA,and i have real life experience on that.
what's important is affording the property.not the price.kama wewe unafikiria mtanzania anaweza ku-afford property LONDON then u are not on par with reality.
UNLESS awe fisadi,BUT kwa median salary ya nyumbani hiyo ni IMPOSSIBLE!
hao wanaonunua nyumba za $1.5m ni wezi,Period.
what amazes me is how stupid they are,cause the properties aint even worth that in the first place!
Najua watanzania tunamsemo 'bongo kama mamtoni".HELL NO!!not even close,tunajipa moyo..which is a good thing,but we have a long way to go.
kwenye bei za nyumba tunasema tuko nao sawa,ikifika wakati wa barabara na vitu vya msingi tunasema kule ulaya bwana!
MJASIRIA-MALI
naona unapenda sana ku-GOOGLE!
for your own good as u said it,it took me 20 seconds to give you what u wanted."research" au vipi..,we (DAR) are not on par with any city around the world.
follow this linkMost Expensive Cities 2008 - Real Estate Prices
Apartment purchase prices per square meter in major cities, in US dollars. Prices are indicative and they apply to existing apartments of 120 square meters in city centers. London is shown in 2 categories, the super-premium areas of "prime central London", which includes Belgravia, Chelsea, Mayfair, Notting Hill, Knightsbridge, Regent's Park, South Kensington, St. John's Woods, and St. James; and "other luxury".
Rank City, Country Price
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1 London (Prime), United Kingdom 24,250
2 Upper Manhattan, New York, USA 15,933
3 Moscow, Russia 15,531
4 London (Other Luxury), UK 15,202
5 Paris, France 13,826
6 Hong Kong 12,599
7 Tokyo, Japan 11,870
8 Singapore 11,800
9 Mumbai, India 10,222
10 Barcelona, Spain 9,871
11 Geneva, Switzerland 7,534
12 Zurich, Switzerland 7,376
13 Sydney, Australia 7,085
14 Madrid, Spain 7,021
15 Turks and Caicos Islands 5,724
16 Tel Aviv, Israel 5,021
17 Toronto, Canada 4,737
18 Auckland, New Zealand 4,438
19 Warsaw, Poland 4,383
20 Cayman Islands 4,234
21 Dubai, United Arab Emirates 4,066
22 Bahamas 3,998
23 Montreal, Canada 3,779
24 Munich, Germany 3,613
25 Saint Petersburg, Russia 3,417
26 Shanghai, China 3,318
27 Trinidad and Tobago 3,174
28 Athens, Greece 3,170
29 Frankfurt, Germany 2,843
30 Bangkok, Thailand 2,819
31 Cape Town, South Africa 2,784
32 Berlin, Germany 2,462
33 Beijing, China 2,282
34 New Delhi, India 2,107
35 Sofia, Bulgaria 2,032
36 Marrakech, Morocco 1,973
37 Manila, Philippines 1,969
38 Istanbul, Turkey 1,867
39 Panama City, Panama 1,783
40 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia 1,400
41 Johannesburg, South Africa 1,376
42 Amman, Jordan 1,261
43 San Jose, Costa Rica 1,255
44 Beirut, Lebanon 1,237
45 Jakarta, Indonesia 1,068
46 Bangalore, India 980
47 Cairo, Egypt 569
nadhani tuishakubaliana kuwa bei zipo,na kila mtu anajua zinasababishwa na nini.PANGUPAKAVU tuangalie hoja iliyopo mbele yetu kama ilivyoletwa na mwanaJF mwenzetu GAME THEORY.
Suala hapa ilikuwa ni kuangalia kama bei alizosema ni kweli zipo na kama zipo zinasababishwa na nini.
u took me for an economist am far away from that..,the only books i read are about technology and ancient history..,never economics,i always experience situations.that's about all.Naona mjumbe unaongelea sana masuala ya GDP, per capita income, multiplier effect na economics nyingi tu! Uki-apply uchumi wako wa darasani you will be confusing things here na utapotosha watu. Una-base sana kwenye vitabu bila kuangalia what is happening on the ground. Mimi na THE TRUTH tunaongelea zaidi practicability of what is happening much as the property market is concerned in Dar, but you seem to dwell on economic theory of it. UNLESS WE ALL SWIMM IN THE SAME BOAT, then tutaelewana.
sijawahi sema nguvu ya soko haichangii bei..ina play part yake,lakini hizo tunazoziona upanga now etc ni zaidi ya nguvu ya soko..,ni overheating ya real estate market.which is very young,and very imperfect kama ulivyoi-describe.Property market is notorious imperfect and it has got its unique features as compared to other type of investments. Ndio maana waweza kuwa unatafuta nyumba ya kupanga ukaenda let say kwa dalali mjini kule Kariakoo ama posta akakuleta nyumba ya mikocheni just behind the house you intend to vacate.
Wakati naongelea kulipa laki2 sinza sikumaanisha kwamba that is very expensive to pay. Did I say it anyway as you qouted me, au ndo mwendelezo wa kupotosha watu? hii ni nguvu ya hoja au hoja ya nguvu unatumia MR. PANGUPAKAVU? Nilikuwa najaribu kukuonyesha jinsi nguvu ya soko inavyo-determine bei but unaongelea government intervention as is if we are under centrally planned economies. Na hapo ndo unashindwa kuelewana na THE TRUTH na kuwa na hasira eti you are tired of replying him. Usitake kukimbia hoja mjumbe!!!!!!!!!
just know it's different ndugu,kama hutaki basi.it is different.Unasema kununua nyumba London na kununua nyumba Dar are two different things! In what sense?Do you mean in terms of quality, price or terms of currency used?
Najua utarudi kwenye hoja zako za per capita income na GDP, but the issue ni kwamba can people own it or not. Masuala ya kipato cha mtu au pesa kapata wapi hiyo ni hoja nyingine kabisa na tushajadili sana hapa hayo masuala ya EPA na money laundering. Najitahidi sana nieleweke labda maelezo yangu
you are wrong,those prices were listing prices of houses currently on market around those cities.Data ulizonipa ni purchase price!!!!!! Ni kweli kule kuna watu wana pesa sana and I can assure you these homes are owner occupied not for investment purpose, endelea kugoogle utuletee rental prices not purchase prices. Hata Manji (Just an e.g) hapa Dar anawezajenga nyumba yake akaipiga finishings za nguvu like gold coating kwenye windows na door frames still ikawa juu kuliko hata hiyo ya London.
most celebrities live in Bargain homes in comparison to the most expensive properties in the west.Sasa mwenzangu unatuletea nyumba za Celebrities hapa, obviously will have exorbitant market vulue.
JE IF INVESTED HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO RECOUP THE CAPITAL INVESTED IF THESE HOMES ARE RENTED???????
there is nothing wrong with building a dream house,and putting it on market is another story.Wanaonunua nyumba Masaki na O'bay kwa 1.5Mil. USD are doing so for investment purpose, but kuna watu hapa Dar wamejenga their dream house, USIPIME MKUU, wewe sema nimelala njaa, usiseme tumelala njaa.
refer hoja ya GT,bei haziendani na ukweli halisi.sababu za hali hiyo inaweza kuwa ufisadi,corruption and many others.So just look on rental prices and please usichanganye hoja za ufisadi na hoja halisi ilyopo mbele yetu.
wewe wasema ndugu..,when one describes one thing he/she can touch different angles of the thing.It seems like you have more than three topics at a go. Unawezakuja na hoja yako binafsi kuhusiana na kipato cha mtannzania ili tujadili hiyo per capita income yako.
you are wrong,those prices were listing prices of houses currently on market around those cities.
if a house is listed that means the owner is not interested in living in them.
most celebrities live in Bargain homes in comparison to the most expensive properties in the west.
Sijakataa haziko listed? That's obvious! there are houses even sold at USD 50,000 p.s.m, and people will buy.
But since we took those as comparables then the ones you presented are not in line of our discussion (preciously between me & you) beacuse tulikuwa tunaangalia investment properties, labda hapa ndo tumetofautioana. thwe ones you presented are for owner occupied. ni nyumba za kuishi hizo si kwa ajili ya kuwekeza, so people can buy it at any price, and to me as a valuer I consider them as bad comparables.
nadhani tuishakubaliana kuwa bei zipo,na kila mtu anajua zinasababishwa na nini.
Tusichokubaliana ni kuwa:ni sawa kwa hizo property kuwa na hizo bei hapo upanga sijui masaki sijui msasani?!
Mimi binafsi nasema si sawa.
U took me for an economist am far away from that..,the only books i read are about technology and ancient history..,never economics,i always experience situations.that's about all.
Sijawahi sema nguvu ya soko haichangii bei..ina play part yake,lakini hizo tunazoziona upanga now etc ni zaidi ya nguvu ya soko..,ni overheating ya real estate market.which is very young,and very imperfect kama ulivyoi-describe.
The truth keeps asking for proofs of things he can easily get online.
Proof stock market is connected to property markets in china,japan,us??!!give me a break!!
Just know it's different ndugu,kama hutaki basi.it is different.
Ofcourse watanzania wanaweza miliki nyumba sehemu yoyote duniani,sijakataa hilo.
Tatizo langu bado ni bei ya property nyumbani.haiko realistic,wether kuna buyers au hakuna!
Hoja kama alivyo i present gametheory ni kuwa,bei zina walakini,sasa tujadili kwa nini zina walakini..,nadhani kama tukikubaliana zile bei ni sawa sidhani kama kuna cha kujadili tena.
Rather itakuwa just another information!!
Tusifikiri kuwa hayo mashirika makubwa yanapenda kutumia pesa nyingi katika nyumba wanazokaa wafanyakazi wao. Missions ya mashirika mengi sio kukaa Osterbay, Ada au Masaki. Hivyo utumiaji wao mkubwa katika masuala unaathiri bajeti zao. Na ndio sababu kubwa Tanzania pamoja na kupokea misaada mingi bado ni nchi masikini.