SGR Construction in Tanzania - UPDATES

Tony254 said:
Hongera. Atleast hii ndio picha ya kwanza ya maana ya hii sgr. Hii picha sasa inaonyesha mambo mazuri. Mumepiga makelele sana bila kuweka picha ya maendeleo, sasa hii picha inaanza kuonyesha dalili lakini kwa umbali.
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We're not doing this for pleasing reasons wewe pambaneni na mtungi wenu wa chang'aa unaotengeneza hasara
 
Geza Ulole said:
So this justifies being overcharged? Uache upumbavu! CHINA COMMUNICATIONS CONSTRUCTION GROUP LTD can be big but that doesn't justify the cost.
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What cost isn't justified... Initial capital cost or Life Cycle cost?? Be specific...Between 10-30 years from now you will all be crying asking why Magufuli! Whhhhyyyy!!!


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The team points out that all its detractors have focused on the upfront cost of building while ignoring the life-cycle costs of operation and maintenance as well as the key design differentiators between the Northern Corridor SGR project being developed by Uganda and Kenya and what Tanzania and Ethiopia are building.
According to their presentations, the Ugandan and Kenyan system has been designed to deliver a high availability rate of 98 percent. That translates into a downtime of just 7 days in a year for routine maintenance.
The life cycle maintenance costs will also be just $41,000 per kilometer annually, compared to $150,000 per kilometer for Tanzania’s proposed American Standard railway, over a 30 year design life of the network.
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Annael said:
Wewe jamaa unapenda ranking kwelikweli. Ndiyo hiyo inawamaliza
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Ingekua ni Yepi imekua ranked number 3 company in the world ... we would have never heard the the end of it. Wewe na gora lako mngekua mna post hio link kila siku just to remind us......
lakini vile Yepi iko nyuma unajifanya eti uko na moral high ground... kwe! Mkuki kwa nguruwe.....
 
Tony254 said:
Hongera. Atleast hii ndio picha ya kwanza ya maana ya hii sgr. Hii picha sasa inaonyesha mambo mazuri. Mumepiga makelele sana bila kuweka picha ya maendeleo, sasa hii picha inaanza kuonyesha dalili lakini kwa umbali.
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Hatua ya maana na inayochukua muda ilikuwa ni kujenga tuta na madaraja ambayo ni ya masingi ni kama vile mnavyo suasua kujenga msingi wa pinnacle tower.
 

That is politics, they fool u with maintenance cost simply because they can not undo what it has been done so they have to convince the stakeholders (including the people) with lies so they can buy into their mistakes which can not be fixed soon....It does not bring any sense telling the world that u opted an SGR which is an old version technology simply because of maintenance cost and ignoring their efficiency, attractiveness and effect to the environment...And ts stupidity when you talk about low maintenance cost but high operating cost because u will be importing a huge volume of diesel to run ur trains and hence more foreign money will be gone..but Tanzania SGR will be using Electricity that is produced within the country and hence the money will be circulating within the country...Think big, stop protecting thieves
 
Nailed it...

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do you even know what SGR means?
Fisrt start by explaining how Kenyans SGR is old technology...
The maintenance cost difference per km is far more than the operating cost of energy per km..... And remember the maintenance cost they are talking about is on the wear and tear of the track itself!!!! You can always change the type of locomotive but the rail will still be the same... and thus on that part... The Kenyan rail is far much more superior!!!.

And to answer your question on Fuel... Anything imported in bulk eventually becomes cheap because of economies of scale... Your Tazara + Central meter guage rail use diesel... Also all the trucks that transport containers on Tz roads use diesel which is imported.... Has Tz economy collapse because of it?
BTW... electric traction is only cheaper if the rail operates at optimum levels.. Big industries/factories/etc need a certain amount of dedicated power that will always be available at all times... So for a rail company to be guaranteed thata power, The power company wont just charge you when your rail uses power, they will just dedicate a certain amount of power to the rail company e.g 140MW unrationed power p.a that cant be used by anyone else...... and for that reason, they will charge them the price of that 140MW of power whether the rail company utilizes all of it or not..... Anytime the train stops or is waiting for cargo, or is in maintenance. .. the power bill meter will still be counting....
 
Kwa kiswahili huwa tunasema kuwa hili ni povu zito la sabuni ya gwanji.
 
Yes.. the power is from LOCAL sources.. I mean OUR OWN NATURAL GAS and later on Hydro power from Rufiji..

You import bulk disel to use in your locomotives.. which not only is costly because you have to designate a special place to store it.. but burning diesel is not a good thing to the environment..

Diesel locomotives wear quickly compared to electric ones.. so then later on you have to change them..

Mashine za umeme ni kama mkataba.. ukienda ujerumani unakuta DB wanatumia electric locomotives za toka 60's au 70's because they last very long..

Another thing.. I heard that SGR of yours maximum speed is 120 km/h. Dunia ya leo watu wapo kwenye era ya bullet trains nyie mnajenga something slightly better than the colonial railway..

Poleni sana majirani.. halafu wachina wamesha waruhusu muendeshe treni zao?? Maana nilisikia hizo train bado ni zao coz wazawa mmeishia kufanya usafi kwenye hizo good for nothing terminal zenu..

Shame..

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Too much knowledge is an agony...I think u don’t even understand what maintaining cost they r talking about, I advice u to go and read again....about the diesel consumption in Tanzania wont be the same as Kenya cause u will be importing much..there will be a huge difference of someone who is using what is produced in his country than someone who is using what is not producing...Your operation cost will rely on dollar fluctuation since your importing diesel...It does not take a genius to understand that
 
Engine za diesel sikuhizi ziko very fuel efficient..... The fuel that will be used by SGR will be very negligable compaired to the total fuel imported by Kenya... What reduces carbon emmision more will be the number of individual trucks that will stop using roads because cargo will be moving on the SGR....
Hii issue ni very simple... interms of energy cost... assumin both rails are utilized maximally. ..The cost of Diesel traction per km is usually almost double that of using electri traction per km.... so thats a cost ratio of 1:2 infavour of Tz interms of fuel costs...
Now, as we have been told up there, maintanace cost per km p.a is Kenya 41, 000 vs Tz 150, 000 ..... Thats a ratio of 1:3.6 in favour of Kenya... I doesnt take a genous to figure out whats better.. Not to forget the Kenyan rail carries more p.a
 

Dah!! hata kama wewe ni mpenda kenya basi kuna kitu unatakiwa ujifunze. Hebu soma hapa kidogo:-


  • Electric Locomotive vs Diesel Locomotive The major advantage of the electric locomotive engine over diesel engine is that electric engine uses a rather simple and straightforward technology. The electric engine pulls power directly from the power grid and requires only a transformer and a regulator to bring down the power to acceptable levels. Diesel engines on the other hand uses diesel to produce energy, which is then transformed into electricity, and then again into kinetic energy, making them only around 40 percent efficient for the diesel consumed.
  • Electric Locomotive v/s Diesel Locomotive Technology Electric engines are lightweight, constituting only motors and wheel axles, and have almost no moving parts. Diesel engines on the other hand have a large number of moving parts such as pistons, valves, turbines, and chains. Electric engines are therefore easier to maintain whereas the moving parts of a diesel engine require constant maintenance.
  • Electric Locomotive v/s Diesel Locomotive Speed The simple nature of the electric engine makes them efficient and powerful. Electric engines do not produce much heat and noise, meaning that most of the energy produces converts into foreword motion. Diesel engines, on the other hand waste generate much heat and noise, diverting the energy away from forward motion.
  • Electric Locomotive v/s Diesel Locomotive Commercial Consideration A major commercial consideration for railways to prefer electric locomotive engines to diesel locomotive engines is cost and availability of diesel. Diesel is an expensive non-renewable fuel source whereas electricity is a cheaper and infinite source of energy.
 
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