Somebody tell Odinga: Useless fighting an unrecognized enemy!

masopakyindi · Aug 16, 2017

Odinga is in a tight space, a space lived by his father ages ago.

Odinga went into a ballot duel that he simply could not win.

The unrecognised enemy affecting all Kenyans is tribalism, and this has neither helped Odinga nor Kenyatta.

The problem plaquing Kenya , tribalism , is the enemy that is conveniently left undiscussed in ordinary day to day politics.

And the tribal numbers is what counts.
Break down tribal alliances in politics, and break down the differences as in Tanzania is what matters.
So Odinga will never win in an election based on tribal numbers, and thats because he represents the minority.

Odinga should recognize the enemy first and methodically know of ways to address the problem.

pingli-nywee · Aug 16, 2017

Huu ung'eng'e aisee mbona usiandike tu kwa kiswahili? Sote tutakuelewa freshi tu.

Captain Marvelous · Aug 16, 2017

Defintly well said....infact from the word go Raila lost the election even before the votes were cast...going by the tribal myth Uhuroto had 7m plus votes add the umpredictable kisii t done deal.

To finish tribalism why not even ask Tanzanian goverment to assist n get to know ow dd Mwalimu bring this lovely big country together whereby ua tribe is not the ticket to state house...infact its only JPM who hails from one of the big tribes in the country.

Tz boy 4tino · Aug 16, 2017

Unategemea ataondoa huo ukabila bila kuwa madarakani,, he's right to fight what he thinks it's right he has reasonable arguements

Bwana254 · Aug 16, 2017

Tz boy 4tino said:
Unategemea ataondoa huo ukabila bila kuwa madarakani,, he's right to fight what he thinks it's right he has reasonable arguements

No he's NOT reasonable. Sasa unategemea mtu aliendesha campaign ya 41 vs 1 miaka 9 iliyopita na leo anasema watu wasio wenyeji Kajiado wafukuzwe sasa huyo ndiye atatibu ukabila .Don't expect a hungry fox to guard the chicken house.

masopakyindi · Aug 16, 2017

Tz boy 4tino said:
Unategemea ataondoa huo ukabila bila kuwa madarakani,, he's right to fight what he thinks it's right he has reasonable arguements

Odinga must eat the humble pie, and accept a juniour post to convince the overwhelming majority.

Captain Marvelous · Aug 17, 2017

Tz boy 4tino said:
Unategemea ataondoa huo ukabila bila kuwa madarakani,, he's right to fight what he thinks it's right he has reasonable arguements

Alishindwa kuipadisha hadhi Kibera kuitoa kwenye slum na kuwapa makazi bora yenye huduma zote muhimu kwa miaka 20 akiwa mbunge wao na akiwa pia waziri Mkuu kwa miaka mitano...sasa unategemea ukabila ataumaliza vipi....huyu ni mpiga dili tu yupo kwa ajili yake na kundi lake wapiga dili....ukabila ndio mtaji wao wa kura

MwendaOmo · Aug 17, 2017

Raila is himself a beneficiary of tribal politics. Why should he fight it?

masopakyindi · Aug 17, 2017

MwendaOmo said:
Raila is himself a beneficiary of tribal politics. Why should he fight it?

That's why he cannot go further than the post of being an opposition leader.
He ain't got the numbers to go further!

MwendaOmo · Aug 17, 2017

masopakyindi said:
That's why he cannot go further than the post of being an opposition leader.
He ain't got the numbers to go further!

That's a very wrong assumption. I think most Tanzanians do no understand the tribal nature of Kenyan politics. What the tribe does, is that it gives you a boost. The rest, you must fight for it yourself. You must appeal to people from different tribes. That is where Raila fails: he is toxic. Very toxic.

eliakeem · Aug 17, 2017

MwendaOmo said:
That's a very wrong assumption. I think most Tanzanians do no understand the tribal nature of Kenyan politics. What the tribe does, is that it gives you a boost. The rest, you must fight for it yourself. You must appeal to people from different tribes. That is where Raila fails: he is toxic. Very toxic.

Naomba nitofautiane, in your country Kenya tribes matters a lot when it comes to politics. If you come from minority you'll never rise up no matter how bravely and hardly fought for yourself. That is why in this election result, the tension was in Kisumu and Kibera (and those area the fully armed police forces were positioned in these areas). There is no tension in Nyeri I think every one can guess why.

Al-Watan · Aug 17, 2017

Mimi si Mkenya na sina affiliation na kabila la Kenya (well, I am from the Lake zone in Tanzania so I would be closer to Odinga's tribe/ zone). But I can see why one would choose Kenyatta over Odinga even if tribal alliances are not considered. Raila is a simpleton. Uhuru Kenyatta, while not a savant (he is actually a product of the same nepotism that produced Raila, robbing Kenyans of a meritocry) ...Uhuru right now is demonstrating how a president should handle a dissenting opposition. There is a little bit of "the grass is always greener on the other side" effect here. I know some Kenyans lament a lot, positively and rightly, about how Nyerere shaped Tanzania and clamped on tribalism. This is appropriate. There is a wave of Magufulimania amongst some Kenyans -PLO comes to mind, I can't stand that buffoon- but as of right now I wish Magufuli could act as presidential as Uhuru when it comes to respecting the oposition's constitutional right to assembly, freedom of expression etc.

Magufuli is acting like a power drunk maniac. A little bit of Uhuru-like sobriety to allow demonstrations and political assembly would go a long way. Uhuru is my favorite African president when it comes to this matter.

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Augustino Fanuel Massongo · Aug 17, 2017

pingli-nywee said:
Huu ung'eng'e aisee mbona usiandike tu kwa kiswahili? Sote tutakuelewa tu freshi.

Acha hivyo hivyo tu, tatizo akubadili lugha kuja kiswahili ataambulia matusi kibao badala ya hoja.

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eliakeem · Aug 17, 2017

Al-Watan said:
Mimi si Mkenya na sina affiliation na kabila la Kenya (well, I am from the Lake zone in Tanzania so I would be closer to Odinga's tribe/ zone). But I can see why one would choose Kenyatta over Odinga even if tribal alliances are not considered. Raila is a simpleton. Uhuru Kenyatta, while not a savant (he is actually a product of the same nepotism that produced Raila, robbing Kenyans of a meritocry) ...Uhuru right now is demonstrating how a president should handle a dissenting opposition. There is a little bit of "the grass is always greener on the other side" effect here. I know some Kenyans lament a lot, positively and rightly, about how Nyerere shaped Tanzania and clamped on tribalism. This is appropriate. There is a wave of Magufulimania amongst some Kenyans -PLO comes to mind, I can't stand that buffoon- but as of right now I wish Magufuli could act as presidential as Uhuru when it comes to respecting the oposition's constitutional right to assembly, freedom of expression etc.

Magufuli is acting like a power drunk maniac. A little bit of Uhuru-like sobriety to allow demonstrations and political assembly would go a long way. Uhuru is my favorite African president when it comes to this matter.

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Please organise your mind, r u talking about tribalism that haunts Kenya or Uhuru V/S Magufuli presidency over oposition.

Al-Watan · Aug 17, 2017

eliakeem said:
Please organise your mind, r u talking about tribalism that haunts Kenya or Uhuru V/S Magufuli presidency over oposition.

Why should that be a mutually exclusive conversation?

The two are aspects of good governance. Tribalism and clamping down unconstitutionally on opposition are not part of good governance.

Why are you limiting my conversation on good governance to only one part as if talking about the other constitutes a contradiction ?

Can you organize your mind to answer that?

Muharango · Aug 17, 2017

Tulia ukamulie kama ng'ombe, mnakumbilia kufuta KHRC, Ngoja iwatokee puani
Contradictions and massive anomalies of [HASHTAG]#ElectionsKE[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#ElectionsKE2017[/HASHTAG] KHRC on Twitter

Muharango · Aug 17, 2017

Rais Dkt @MagufuliJP ..''Mwizi ni Mwizi tu! Hata kama awe mzungu!

MwendaOmo · Aug 17, 2017

eliakeem said:
Naomba nitofautiane, in your country Kenya tribes matters a lot when it comes to politics. If you come from minority you'll never rise up no matter how bravely and hardly fought for yourself. That is why in this election result, the tension was in Kisumu and Kibera (and those area the fully armed police forces were positioned in these areas). There is no tension in Nyeri I think every one can guess why.

Sijakataa role ya Kabila katika siasa. Kile ninachokuambia mabacho wengi wenu hamuelewi, ni kuwa kabila si kila kitu.

Waluhya ni wa pili kwa idadi baada ya wakikuyu; Jirongo ambye ni mluhya alipata kura ngapi?
Kaluyu ni mkamba, alipata kura ngapi za wakamba?
Ekuru Aukot ni Mturkana, alipata kura ngapi za waturkana?
Abdouba Dida ni msomali, alipata kura ngapi za wasomali na waislamu?
Wainanina ni mkikuyu, alipata kura ngapi za wakikuyu?

Ukijiuliza hayo maswali, ndiposa utaelewa sio eti kila kitu ni Ukabila kama mlivyoaminishwa

MwendaOmo · Aug 17, 2017

Muharango said:
Tulia ukamulie kama ng'ombe, mnakumbilia kufuta KHRC, Ngoja iwatokee puani
Contradictions and massive anomalies of [HASHTAG]#ElectionsKE[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#ElectionsKE2017[/HASHTAG] KHRC on Twitter

Anayeandika hayo ni mtu mpumbavu amabye hana akili. Wengi amabo mnaongea hamjui sheri za siasa kamwe

eliakeem · Aug 17, 2017

MwendaOmo said:
Sijakataa role ya Kabila katika siasa. Kile ninachokuambia mabacho wengi wenu hamuelewi, ni kuwa kabila si kila kitu.

Waluhya ni wa pili kwa idadi baada ya wakikuyu; Jirongo ambye ni mluhya alipata kura ngapi?
Kaluyu ni mkamba, alipata kura ngapi za wakamba?
Ekuru Aukot ni Mturkana, alipata kura ngapi za waturkana?
Abdouba Dida ni msomali, alipata kura ngapi za wasomali na waislamu?
Wainanina ni mkikuyu, alipata kura ngapi za wakikuyu?

Ukijiuliza hayo maswali, ndiposa utaelewa sio eti kila kitu ni Ukabila kama mlivyoaminishwa

there are two lines of ethnicity. The pro Luo and Kikuyu. those tribes you mentioned are one of those two noble tribes.
this's is why you have GEMA thing and like.

Somebody tell Odinga: Useless fighting an unrecognized enemy!

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