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[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] huyo ndo kipanya 44, kwenye ubora wake[emoji298]In the Bakhmut sector, the Ukrainian forces have advanced up to 1,600 meters in some directions on the southern and northern flanks.[emoji298]
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Nimeangalia Video zaidi ya 20 Kuhusu Counter ya Ukrein kiukweli Ukrein Kabondwa kweli kweli
Umeambiwa ulete video, siyo simulation!
Jamani tumepata picha nyingi sana zilizoonyesha waziwazi jinsi gani vifaru vya kirusi vilivyolipuka.Msafara wa Leopard tank unateketea kama vile mchezo wa kuigiza.Wanatembea kama vile ni msafara wa kwenda harusini kumbe wapo uwanja wa vita.
Kwa hali hii muda sio mrefu watoa silaha watamkimbia
Umenikumbusha kitambo tulikua tukikosa mboga ya kulia ugali tunapika ki ugali kingine kidogo ndo kinakua kama mboga.Inabidi watengeneze air defence systems za kulinda air defence systems
Hata Bakhmut ilikuwa ivyo ivyo ila sasa ivi kila mtu kakubali kuwa imeanguka.Jamani tumepata picha nyingi sana zilizoonyesha waziwazi jinsi gani vifaru vya kirusi vilivyolipuka.
Sasa wenzetu wanataka kutuaminisha hao wanaweza pia - ila wanaleta picha mara ya trekta inayolipuka, mara ya magari yasiyotambulika.
Ninakubali kabisa: Hadi wanapata picha ya mkia wa Leopard (ni aina ya paka, sivyo??) simwamini mvindaji. Maana tangu zama za mawe wavindaji walikuwa hodari sana kusimulia hadithi jinsi walivyofanikiwa. Ila uthibitisho ilikuwa steki kubwa pamoja na mkia wa paka. Walete!
Ona hapa:
Videos Keep Circulating That Claim Destruction Of German Leopard 2 Tanks
Propagandists have continued to share videos across social media in an effort to "prove" Moscow's claims that a number of the tanks have been destroyedwww.forbes.com
forbes.com
Videos Keep Circulating That Claim Destruction Of German Leopard 2 Tanks In Ukraine
A member of the Spanish military secures a cover to the gun of a Leopard 2E tank during a training ... [+] exercise for the Ukrainian military, at the San Gregorio military base outside Zaragoza, Spain, on Monday, March 13, 2023. The issue of military aid for Ukraine has stoked tensions within Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez’s governing coalition with its junior partner, the far-left Unidas Podemos party, urging the administration to focus on pushing for peace instead of sending weaponry. Photographer: Paul Hanna/Bloomberg
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In what could be described as "wishful" thinking, videos and photos purporting to show the destruction of German-made Leopard 2 main battle tanks (MBTs) in Ukraine continue to circulate on social media this week.
It was on Tuesday that Russian state media outlet Ria Novosti published video footage on the social messaging platform Telegram that it said confirmed that a number of the advanced tanks—considered by military analysts to be among the best in service today—had come under fire.
Viewers on social media quickly debunked the claims, noting that the vehicles were actually farm harvesters.
Destroyed Leopard 2?
However, pro-Kremlin propagandists have continued to share videos across social media in an effort to "prove" Moscow's claims that a number of the tanks have been destroyed in what is believed to be the opening stages of Kyiv's long-anticipated spring offensive in the Zaporizhzhia Region.
One recent example showing the alleged destruction of a Leopard 2 was posted to Twitter on Thursday morning by @WarMonitors. In the 38-second-long clip, recorded by an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and released by the Russian Ministry of Defense, a number of armored vehicles can be seen coming under fire. At least one appears to have been disabled in the fighting.
UkraineWeaponsTracker (@UAWeapons) also shared the video, claiming, "#Ukraine: For the first time, a Ukrainian Leopard 2A4 tank was destroyed by the Russian army during the recent Ukrainian attack near Novopokrovka, #Zaporizhzhia Oblast."
Misinformation Campaigns
The truth certainly has been a casualty in the ongoing conflict, and both Kyiv and Moscow continue to make claims about the losses of the other side. However, Russia has long employed disinformation campaigns, while releasing highly edited videos that have often been presented out of context.
Though the videos shared on Thursday were more convincing than the footage of the "farm harvester" from earlier in the week, it is hard to confirm that it was a Leopard 2, or other Western MBT, that came under fire and was destroyed.
"I have watched and re-watched the video, and at best, can say that the clip is spliced together showing two different events: First an indirect fire barrage on what appears to be a column of armored personnel carriers (APCs) and armor; and second, a burning vehicle somewhat distant from that column of APCs and armor. Whether it is a Leopard 2 or not, is not obvious," explained military vehicles historian John Adams-Graf, editor of History in Motion, the magazine of the Military Vehicle Preservation Association.
Facts On The Leopard 2
The third-generation Leopard 2 was developed by Krauss-Maffei in the 1970s and it replaced the Leopard 1 as the West German Army's primary MBT in 1979. It continues to be employed by the armed forces of Germany and has been exported to several NATO allies, as well as to the nations of Chile, Indonesia, and Singapore.
It was in January that Berlin announced it would allow Leopard 2s in service with other European nations to be re-exported to aid Ukraine, while Germany later agreed to supply Kyiv with a number of the tanks as well.
Despite its reputation for being among the very best MBTs in service, it isn't indestructible of course.
One took significant damage while another was destroyed in Afghanistan – victims of Taliban IEDs (improvised explosive devices). In addition, at least three and perhaps more in operation with the Turkish military have been destroyed or heavily damaged fighting ISIS forces in Syria.
Misunderstandings In The Fog Of War
It is worth noting that the "fog of war" can further confuse matters, which make it hard to confirm if any Leopard 2 tanks have actually destroyed. Such is the case today with Russian soldiers, but also with those armchair experts who are relying on grainy footage taken by a drone.
Even those on the ground in wartime may not know what they're seeing.
"During World War II, most American GIs that encountered a German tank in combat declared it was a 'Tiger' whether it was a Pzkw. III, IV, Panther, or something else," added Adams-Graf.
"Tiger" became a good catch-all term among American soldiers as it sounded downright frightening. It was Nazi Germany's heaviest tank, and viewers of the film Fury will understand why it was so feared.
"Perhaps, we are experiencing that same phenomenon: Every burning Ukraine vehicle is now a 'Leopard,'" Adams-Graf continued. "Regardless, with the prevalent use of deepfake videos, it will be hard for anyone to verify combat results unless they were standing in the midst of the action."
And that is a good point.
Video editing is simpler than ever—while even some video game footage has already been passed off as being recorded in Ukraine. So until footage from the ground is presented of a destroyed Leopard 2, it is impossible to say for sure if any of the big cats have actually been put down.
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Nilikoment kwa kukazia maelezo yako juu ya huyo pro urusi kuhusu kushambuliwa kwa hizo leopard bila ya kuoneshwa picha.
Kwa hiyo hata taarifa kutoka media za Merikani nazo ni za Uongo??Usitutungie kitu ambacho hatujafanya. Ukraine haijafanya counter yoyote hadi sasa.
Kwa sasa tumejikita kufanya mazoezi na kukusanya resources kwa ajili ya counter itakayofanyika hapo baadae.
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Wewe unaona ajabu gani kifaru cha Leopard kulipuliwa na Russian AMTGM?? Maanake naona unashupalia hata vitu mbavyo ni so obvious eti video clips vinazo onyesha kulipuliwa kwa Leopard ni computer simulation sio real thing -unakwenda mbali zaidi una - quote quote highly questionable sources ambazo ukizisoma kwa umakini zinaonyesha wazi wazi ni like MIND wenzako - ambao ni deny everything kuhusu kitiwa viberiti vifaru vya Ujerumani, Ufaransa,UK possibly na Merikani ili kulinda SOKO la silaha za magharibi Duniani -hilo ndilo lengo lenu hasa, namely misinformation and disinformation ili kuwachota akili potential buyers wa vifaru vyenu hamtaki ijulikane kwamba vinaweza kutiwa kiberiti easily na silaha za Urusi - hiyo inawauma sana sana mko radhi kusema chochote kujaribu ku inflate uwezo wa silaha za USA, lakini wenye macho tuliona vifaru hivyo vilivyo kuwa vinalipuliwa/tiwa kiberiti na silaha za Urusi - baada ya kushuhudia hayo live nchini Ukraine sasa Dunia imeanza kuzi fanyia tathimini silaha za Kimerikani kuhusu uwezo wake kwenye masuala ya vita kamili.Jamani tumepata picha nyingi sana zilizoonyesha waziwazi jinsi gani vifaru vya kirusi vilivyolipuka.
Sasa wenzetu wanataka kutuaminisha hao wanaweza pia - ila wanaleta picha mara ya trekta inayolipuka, mara ya magari yasiyotambulika.
Ninakubali kabisa: Hadi wanapata picha ya mkia wa Leopard (ni aina ya paka, sivyo??) simwamini mvindaji. Maana tangu zama za mawe wavindaji walikuwa hodari sana kusimulia hadithi jinsi walivyofanikiwa. Ila uthibitisho ilikuwa steki kubwa pamoja na mkia wa paka. Walete!
Ona hapa:
Videos Keep Circulating That Claim Destruction Of German Leopard 2 Tanks
Propagandists have continued to share videos across social media in an effort to "prove" Moscow's claims that a number of the tanks have been destroyedwww.forbes.com
forbes.com
Videos Keep Circulating That Claim Destruction Of German Leopard 2 Tanks In Ukraine
A member of the Spanish military secures a cover to the gun of a Leopard 2E tank during a training ... [+] exercise for the Ukrainian military, at the San Gregorio military base outside Zaragoza, Spain, on Monday, March 13, 2023. The issue of military aid for Ukraine has stoked tensions within Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez’s governing coalition with its junior partner, the far-left Unidas Podemos party, urging the administration to focus on pushing for peace instead of sending weaponry. Photographer: Paul Hanna/Bloomberg
© 2023 Bloomberg Finance LP
In what could be described as "wishful" thinking, videos and photos purporting to show the destruction of German-made Leopard 2 main battle tanks (MBTs) in Ukraine continue to circulate on social media this week.
It was on Tuesday that Russian state media outlet Ria Novosti published video footage on the social messaging platform Telegram that it said confirmed that a number of the advanced tanks—considered by military analysts to be among the best in service today—had come under fire.
Viewers on social media quickly debunked the claims, noting that the vehicles were actually farm harvesters.
Destroyed Leopard 2?
However, pro-Kremlin propagandists have continued to share videos across social media in an effort to "prove" Moscow's claims that a number of the tanks have been destroyed in what is believed to be the opening stages of Kyiv's long-anticipated spring offensive in the Zaporizhzhia Region.
One recent example showing the alleged destruction of a Leopard 2 was posted to Twitter on Thursday morning by @WarMonitors. In the 38-second-long clip, recorded by an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and released by the Russian Ministry of Defense, a number of armored vehicles can be seen coming under fire. At least one appears to have been disabled in the fighting.
UkraineWeaponsTracker (@UAWeapons) also shared the video, claiming, "#Ukraine: For the first time, a Ukrainian Leopard 2A4 tank was destroyed by the Russian army during the recent Ukrainian attack near Novopokrovka, #Zaporizhzhia Oblast."
Misinformation Campaigns
The truth certainly has been a casualty in the ongoing conflict, and both Kyiv and Moscow continue to make claims about the losses of the other side. However, Russia has long employed disinformation campaigns, while releasing highly edited videos that have often been presented out of context.
Though the videos shared on Thursday were more convincing than the footage of the "farm harvester" from earlier in the week, it is hard to confirm that it was a Leopard 2, or other Western MBT, that came under fire and was destroyed.
"I have watched and re-watched the video, and at best, can say that the clip is spliced together showing two different events: First an indirect fire barrage on what appears to be a column of armored personnel carriers (APCs) and armor; and second, a burning vehicle somewhat distant from that column of APCs and armor. Whether it is a Leopard 2 or not, is not obvious," explained military vehicles historian John Adams-Graf, editor of History in Motion, the magazine of the Military Vehicle Preservation Association.
Facts On The Leopard 2
The third-generation Leopard 2 was developed by Krauss-Maffei in the 1970s and it replaced the Leopard 1 as the West German Army's primary MBT in 1979. It continues to be employed by the armed forces of Germany and has been exported to several NATO allies, as well as to the nations of Chile, Indonesia, and Singapore.
It was in January that Berlin announced it would allow Leopard 2s in service with other European nations to be re-exported to aid Ukraine, while Germany later agreed to supply Kyiv with a number of the tanks as well.
Despite its reputation for being among the very best MBTs in service, it isn't indestructible of course.
One took significant damage while another was destroyed in Afghanistan – victims of Taliban IEDs (improvised explosive devices). In addition, at least three and perhaps more in operation with the Turkish military have been destroyed or heavily damaged fighting ISIS forces in Syria.
Misunderstandings In The Fog Of War
It is worth noting that the "fog of war" can further confuse matters, which make it hard to confirm if any Leopard 2 tanks have actually destroyed. Such is the case today with Russian soldiers, but also with those armchair experts who are relying on grainy footage taken by a drone.
Even those on the ground in wartime may not know what they're seeing.
"During World War II, most American GIs that encountered a German tank in combat declared it was a 'Tiger' whether it was a Pzkw. III, IV, Panther, or something else," added Adams-Graf.
"Tiger" became a good catch-all term among American soldiers as it sounded downright frightening. It was Nazi Germany's heaviest tank, and viewers of the film Fury will understand why it was so feared.
"Perhaps, we are experiencing that same phenomenon: Every burning Ukraine vehicle is now a 'Leopard,'" Adams-Graf continued. "Regardless, with the prevalent use of deepfake videos, it will be hard for anyone to verify combat results unless they were standing in the midst of the action."
And that is a good point.
Video editing is simpler than ever—while even some video game footage has already been passed off as being recorded in Ukraine. So until footage from the ground is presented of a destroyed Leopard 2, it is impossible to say for sure if any of the big cats have actually been put down.
Mkuu si ajabu kama Leopard2 inalipuliwa. Hakika zitalipuliwa katika vita hiyo. Ila - nasubiri picha yake. Sijaiona, Kinyume nimeona picha ya trekta iliyoitwa Leopard 2.Wewe unaona ajabu gani kifaru cha Leopard kulipuliwa na Russian AMTGM?? Maanake naona umelishupalia hata vitu mbavyo ni so obvious eti video clips vinazo onyesha kulipuliwa kwa leopard ni compuyer simulation sio real -unakwenda ku- quote quote highly questionable sources ambazo ukizisoma kwa umakini zinaonyesha wazi wazi ni like MIND wenzako - ambao ni deny everything kuhusu kitiwa viberiti vifaru vya Ujerumani, Ufaransa,UK possibly na Merikani ili kulinda SOKO la silaha Duniani -hilo nfilo lengo lenu. namely misinformation and disinformation ili kuwachota akili potential buyers wa vifatu vyenu hamtaki ijulikane kwamba vinaweza kutiwa kiberiti easily na silaha za Urusi - hiyo inawauma sana sana mko radhi kusema chochote kujaribu ku inflate uwezo wa silaha za USA lakini wenye macho wame ona kimacho fanyika huko Ukraine na kuzifanyia tathimini
Acting na vitu halisi ni mbingu na ardhi.Mkuu, kile kikosi cha Expendables kipo kwa ajili ya misheni ngumu ngumu tu 🙂
Hii Ni kinzal Aina gani,?Mkuu si ajabu kama Leopard2 inalipuliwa. Hakika zitalipuliwa katika vita hiyo. Ila - nasubiri picha yake. Sijaiona, Kinyume nimeona picha ya trekta iliyoitwa Leopard 2.
Lete mkia wa paka!