Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Jeremani nae analia kuishiwa na silaha Kwa sababu ya Ukraine.​

Hivi huyu Urusi anazila silaha zao?
Je amezifanya kitoweo?
Urusi anatoa wapi haziishi TU?
Aisee hii itakua kuandikwa kama vita ya "mysteries war"
Zina-disappear, wao ndivyo wanasema.
 

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A hard truth about the Russia-Ukraine conflict is finally dawning on the West​

American observers are finally snapping out of “magical thinking” about Moscow’s defeat

By Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany working at Koç University, Istanbul, on Russia, Ukraine, and Eastern Europe, the history of World War II, the cultural Cold War,

On November 16, the Wall Street Journal, one of the most prestigious and influential American media outlets, published an essay under the title “It’s Time to End Magical Thinking About Russia’s Defeat.”

The authors, Eugene Rumer and Andrew S. Weiss, are influential representatives of America’s national security and international relathment. After a career in government service, Rumer now directs the Russia and Eurasia program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; Weiss is Carnegie’s vice president for studies. This is an important text, and both its message and the timing of its publication matter.

The message is simple: “Putin” (by which they mean Russia) has “withstood the West’s best efforts” to roll back the military operation against Ukraine; Moscow’s political system has proven resilient and even become stronger; and “America and its allies” must now switch to a strategy of “containment.”

The failure of Ukraine’s summer counteroffensive, by now acknowledged even in gung-ho outlets such as the British Daily Telegraph.

Against this background, this Wall Street Journal article clearly serves as an authoritative call for retrenchment. The object of this signal to retreat is the proxy war in Ukraine, that is, the single most aggressive, most risky, and most defeated US foreign policy strategy in the past two years (if we count from the moment Washington recklessly decided to stonewall Moscow’s clear warning as well as its urgent offer to find a grand bargain-style off-ramp in late 2021).
So far, so telling. But not surprising. For two reasons: the turn away from Ukraine is already fairly old non-news. Even mainstream media spotted the onset of a severe, probably terminal, bout of Ukraine fatigue well before the eruption of the fresh war in the Middle East. Secondly, the skeptical insights now given prominence in the Wall Street Journal as reasons to wrap up its proxy war investment in Ukraine are very old hat indeed. As a matter of fact, the most interesting question the essay – inadvertently – raises is what took you so long?
We learn, for instance, that the West’s attempts to isolate Russia have failed. Yet how hard was it to foresee that the Global South has no reason to follow the West except fear, and that fear is abating? And was it impossible to know in advance that China would answer “No, thank you very much,” when the US and the EU did two things at the same time: urge it to abandon Russia, which would have meant giving up Beijing’s single most important partnership, and signal that China would be next to be cut down to size? China, in essence, initially gestured a little in the direction of distancing itself from Russia, but the strategic fundamentals of the situation determined its real behavior and have become explicit by now. This outcome was predicted, not by every expert but by enough of them to matter.
We are also reminded that this is a war of attrition, i.e. one favoring Russia by its very nature. Even on CNN, we heard that much as early as April 2022, and the militantly Atlanticist Economist magazine admitted it in a backhanded way (using the euphemism “war of endurance”) in September.
Every war is a matter of competitive military performance. But in a war of attrition, three fundamental things matter the most: the size, productive and technological capacity, and resilience of the economy; the stability of the political system, including its real-life popularity and the elites’ legitimacy; and, of course, demography. The Wall Street Journal observes that Russia’s economy has “been buffeted but is not in tatters” (really understating its success, but let’s not quibble) and that its political system draws on “solid” popular support and elites that have neither rebelled nor deserted.
In the West at least, this was harder to predict. Not because of Russia being so difficult to decipher, but due to Western bias and groupthink, or, bluntly put, wishful thinking. Even before the post-February 2022 Ukraine war, Western politics, media, think tanks, and even academia have rewarded unrealistically pessimistic assessments of both Russia’s economy and political stability. Consider, as a pars pro toto, Western reactions to the Wagner rebellion in June. Quite a few of them predicted the imminent collapse of Russia into anarchy and civil war or, at least, a great and lasting domestic and international weakening of Russia. Yet none of this has come to pass.
The importance of this comprehensive, almost total failure of analysis and prediction lies in how typical it was, reflecting a dominant culture of politicized sloppiness vitiating Western thinking about Russia. A sloppiness that is all the more astonishing as precisely Moscow’s opponents cannot afford it without serious self-harm.
For self-harm is the main result. It is true that Russia has to bear some of the cost of Western shortsightedness. Obviously, Moscow as well would be better off if it could work with reasonable, if competitive, partners instead of irrationally hostile opponents who constantly underestimate Russia and overestimate themselves. Yet the West is suffering even more from its pattern of repetitive mistakes.
The costs of the proxy war in Ukraine demonstrate this fact, and not only in terms of arms and money, but of political prestige as well. Regarding the quantifiable costs, the US Congress, for instance, has approved $113 billion worth of aid for Ukraine since February 2022. Currently, a request for even more is turning into a major domestic headache for the Biden administration, and most likely, a defeat. The EU has shelled out almost €85 billion.
Of course, not all of these funds have really been appropriated, and much of them have really been fueling corruption in Ukraine or served the donors and especially their arms industries, as US politicians have repeatedly pointed out with proud cynicism. Yet the overall picture remains one of severe fiscal overstretch spent on a losing gamble. Add the self-inflicted losses that the EU’s economies in particular have incurred from their misconceived sanctions policy and the picture is grim. Add, moreover, how much the West will have to spend if it really wishes to finance the rebuilding of Ukraine, and the prospect turns catastrophic. Good luck, EU, with those membership
In addition, intangibles matter as well. Clearly, “losing” Ukraine (which the West should not have tried to “own” in the first place) will reveal the bloc's weakness more sharply than the failures in, for instance, Iraq, Libya, Syria, or Afghanistan. For two reasons. First, unlike these countries, Russia is a great power; that means it is in a position to exploit the Western setback. Moscow, put differently, is big enough to geopolitically counterattack.
Whether or when exactly it will do so, and what shape such a new “snapping back” of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s metaphorical “rubber band” will take this time, remains to be seen. What is clear is that such payback is a realistic possibility. Secondly, the West is committed as never before, substantially and rhetorically, when trying to use Ukraine to reduce Russia. Hence, failing to do so exposes Western limits as never before. Rumer and Weiss are not naïve. They cannot say it – and maybe they can’t even quite think it – but in their heart of hearts they know that packaging this defeat as a mere change of strategy to “containment” will not fool anyone who does not want to be fooled.
It is good to finally see some hard facts appear prominently in mainstream Western debates. But it is not enough. For one thing, the West has to ask itself painful questions why it has stayed so obsessively one-sided for so long. Otherwise, the same pattern will be repeated in starting and waging the next war, for instance, against China or Iran. Secondly, a shift to “containment” will not repair the damage but merely stretch it out. What the West really needs is a complete rethinking of not merely its methods but its aims.
A hard truth about the Russia-Ukraine conflict is finally dawning on the West
American observers are finally snapping out of “magical thinking” about Moscow’s defeat
Tarik Cyril Amar
By Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany working at Koç University, Istanbul, on Russia, Ukraine, and Eastern Europe, the history of World War II, the cultural Cold War, and the politics of memory



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A hard truth about the Russia-Ukraine conflict is finally dawning on the West

On November 16, the Wall Street Journal, one of the most prestigious and influential American media outlets, published an essay under the title “It’s Time to End Magical Thinking About Russia’s Defeat.”

The authors, Eugene Rumer and Andrew S. Weiss, are influential representatives of America’s national security and international relations establishment. After a career in government service, Rumer now directs the Russia and Eurasia program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; Weiss is Carnegie’s vice president for studies. This is an important text, and both its message and the timing of its publication matter.

The message is simple: “Putin” (by which they mean Russia) has “withstood the West’s best efforts” to roll back the military operation against Ukraine; Moscow’s political system has proven resilient and even become stronger; and “America and its allies” must now switch to a strategy of “containment.”

The timing is more complex. Clearly, the current Israeli war on Gaza – referred to as “tumult in the Middle East” – is one of three key factors. The other two are the approaching presidential elections in the US, and, of course, the failure of Ukraine’s summer counteroffensive, by now acknowledged even in gung-ho outlets such as the British Daily Telegraph.

In addition, America's hold over the non-Western majority of humanity is continuing to decline. China, in particular, is successfully resisting Washington’s pressure. Domestically, President Joe Biden's government faces tough headwinds from both the official Republican opposition and a growing movement in the American street, where widespread and deep dissatisfaction with politics and the economy is now combining with an unprecedented groundswell of protest against US complicity in Israel’s genocidal war on the Palestinians.

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American polls are unambiguous. In September, even before the Middle East crisis, the Pew Research Center found that “Americans’ views of politics and elected officials” are now unusually and “unrelentingly negative, with little hope of improvement on the horizon.” By now, a majority of Americans also contradict the Biden administration – and the rest of almost the whole bipartisan political establishment – by wanting a cease fire in Gaza, while the number of those supporting Israel is decreasing quickly and significantly

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We are also reminded that this is a war of attrition, i.e. one favoring Russia by its very nature. Even on CNN, we heard that much as early as April 2022, and the militantly Atlanticist Economist magazine admitted it in a backhanded way (using the euphemism “war of endurance”) in September.

Every war is a matter of competitive military performance. But in a war of attrition, three fundamental things matter the most: the size, productive and technological capacity, and resilience of the economy; the stability of the political system, including its real-life popularity and the elites’ legitimacy; and, of course, demography. The Wall Street Journal observes that Russia’s economy has “been buffeted but is not in tatters” (really understating its success, but let’s not quibble) and that its political system draws on “solid” popular support and elites that have neither rebelled nor deserted.

In the West at least, this was harder to predict. Not because of Russia being so difficult to decipher, but due to Western bias and groupthink, or, bluntly put, wishful thinking. Even before the post-February 2022 Ukraine war, Western politics, media, think tanks, and even academia have rewarded unrealistically pessimistic assessments of both Russia’s economy and political stability. Consider, as a pars pro toto, Western reactions to the Wagner rebellion in June. Quite a few of them predicted the imminent collapse of Russia into anarchy and civil war or, at least, a great and lasting domestic and international weakening of Russia. Yet none of this has come to pass.

The importance of this comprehensive, almost total failure of analysis and prediction lies in how typical it was, reflecting a dominant culture of politicized sloppiness vitiating Western thinking about Russia. A sloppiness that is all the more astonishing as precisely Moscow’s opponents cannot afford it without serious self-harm.

For self-harm is the main result. It is true that Russia has to bear some of the cost of Western shortsightedness. Obviously, Moscow as well would be better off if it could work with reasonable, if competitive, partners instead of irrationally hostile opponents who constantly underestimate Russia and overestimate themselves. Yet the West is suffering even more from its pattern of repetitive mistakes.

The costs of the proxy war in Ukraine demonstrate this fact, and not only in terms of arms and money, but of political prestige as well. Regarding the quantifiable costs, the US Congress, for instance, has approved $113 billion worth of aid for Ukraine since February 2022. Currently, a request for even more is turning into a major domestic headache for the Biden administration, and most likely, a defeat. The EU has shelled out almost €85 billion.

Of course, not all of these funds have really been appropriated, and much of them have really been fueling corruption in Ukraine or served the donors and especially their arms industries, as US politicians have repeatedly pointed out with proud cynicism. Yet the overall picture remains one of severe fiscal overstretch spent on a losing gamble. Add the self-inflicted losses that the EU’s economies in particular have incurred from their misconceived sanctions policy and the picture is grim. Add, moreover, how much the West will have to spend if it really wishes to finance the rebuilding of Ukraine, and the prospect turns catastrophic. Good luck, EU, with those membership plans.

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In addition, intangibles matter as well. Clearly, “losing” Ukraine (which the West should not have tried to “own” in the first place) will reveal the bloc's weakness more sharply than the failures in, for instance, Iraq, Libya, Syria, or Afghanistan. For two reasons. First, unlike these countries, Russia is a great power; that means it is in a position to exploit the Western setback. Moscow, put differently, is big enough to geopolitically counterattack.

Whether or when exactly it will do so, and what shape such a new “snapping back” of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s metaphorical “rubber band” will take this time, remains to be seen. What is clear is that such payback is a realistic possibility. Secondly, the West is committed as never before, substantially and rhetorically, when trying to use Ukraine to reduce Russia. Hence, failing to do so exposes Western limits as never before. Rumer and Weiss are not naïve. They cannot say it – and maybe they can’t even quite think it – but in their heart of hearts they know that packaging this defeat as a mere change of strategy to “containment” will not fool anyone who does not want to be fooled.

It is good to finally see some hard facts appear prominently in mainstream Western debates. But it is not enough. For one thing, the West has to ask itself painful questions why it has stayed so obsessively one-sided for so long. Otherwise, the same pattern will be repeated in starting and waging the next war, for instance, against China or Iran. Secondly, a shift to “containment” will not repair the damage but merely stretch it out. What the West really needs is a complete rethinking of not merely its methods but its aims.
Zina-disappear, wao ndivyo wanasema.
 
West NATO wanataka na walitaka Mwamba Putin apinduliwe.lakini kumpindua mtu kama Putin lazima nyie wenyewe mpinduke kwanza.
Serikali nyingi sana ulaya zilianguka kwa sababu ya huyu mwamba Putin.mfano ni Boris Johnson.
Mwamba yupo TU.
Shida ni kwamba Urusi inaijua west vizuri sana kama vile daktari anavyoujua mwili wa binadamu.

Amekua akiwashinda kwa Kila Battle,kiuchumi,kivita na kijasusi kawabwaga kinyama.
Wataweza kumtoa Putin kweli?
Mtu aliemweka Rais wa Marekani madarakani?namaana Trump.

Nilisema hapo juu,timu ya soka inayofanya vizuri uwanjani haihitaji kucheza rafu Urusi,
timu isiyofanya vizuri ndio hucheza rafu NATO.
NATO wako kwenye fedheha na mtanziko mkubwa wa kimawazo, ndio maana wanajaribu Kila mbinu kumshinda Putin,Hadi kujaribu njia ya mapinduzi,ama kuombea afe,kwa sababu wameshindwa njia za mapambano.
Wanatamani jemedari Putin apinduliwe au afe.
Lkn kwa Gadafi,Sadam na Osama waliweza ,kwa Putin ni sayari nyingine hiyo.

US trying to organize coup in Russia – Moscow​

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov accused Washington of supporting a change of leadership in the country

The US is increasingly focused on stirring up unrest within Russia and is intent on removing the country’s leadership, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov has claimed.
Confrontation between Moscow and Washington has become a reality that must be contended with, TASS cited Ryabkov as saying on Tuesday.
“The US has not only waged a hybrid war on Russia,” the deputy minister stated, “but is also demonstrating an increasing focus on a change of leadership here, organizing an internal Russian coup.”
Western politicians and media outlets openly celebrated what they saw as a threat to the rule of President Vladimir Putin when the Wagner private military group staged a failed mutiny attempt this past summer. While Washington denied any involvement in those events, subsequent reports claimed that Western intelligence agencies had known about the planned revolt in advance.

Tensions between the US and Russia spiked sharply when Moscow began its military operation in Ukraine in February 2022. Washington subsequently imposed wide-ranging sanctions on Moscow and provided Kiev with tens of billions of dollars of military and other aid. US President Joe Biden has stated that American support for Ukraine will last “as long as it takes.”
Ryabkov’s comments about a “hybrid war” echo remarks made by Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu at the 10th Xiangshan Security Forum in China in October.
“The West openly took a course on inflicting a ‘strategic defeat’ on Russia in the hybrid war unleashed against us. Ukraine was cynically chosen as a battering ram, and assigned the role of merely expendable material” Shoigu recounted.
Russia insists that the delivery of Western-manufactured armaments to Kiev makes the US and other NATO countries de facto direct participants in the conflict.
 
🇷🇺 President Putin has beaten the West at their own game

Washington believed that by overthrowing the pro-Russian Ukrainian government and installing a US-controlled puppet regime, they would get their hands on the Donbas' resources, which are worth nearly $12 trillion

Now you know why they called supporting Ukraine "the best investment", well, that was before Zelensky wasted over $200 billion on his "counteroffensive"

We're wasting billions upon billions on an unwinnable war while Russia gets richer with every city it liberates

Ukraine never stood a chance
 
Jeshi la Urusi limekibomoa kabisa kituo Cha mafunzo Cha Drone za kijeshi Cha Ukraine katika mji wa kupyansk.
Pia kuaangiza kabisa ghala la mafuta ya ndege na rada. Aisee!
Hali ni ngumu kwa NATO kwa kweli.
MILITARY OPERATION IN UKRAINE
28 NOV, 16:13

Russian forces wipe out Ukrainian combat drone training center over past day​

Russian forces repulsed four Ukrainian army attacks in the Kupyansk area over the past day, the ministry reported



MOSCOW, Russian forces destroyed a Ukrainian combat drone training center and three radar stations over the past day in the special military operation in Ukraine, Russia’s Defense Ministry reported on Tuesday.
"The strikes destroyed the Ukrainian army’s center for the training and combat use of unmanned aerial vehicles, an aviation fuel storage facility and three aerial target detection and tracking radars - two P-18s and one ST-68," the ministry said in a statement.
 
Putin mmoja ni ana akili kushinda Marais wote wa west kwa pamoja.nikisema west namaana ya marais wote wa ulaya magharibi na wale wa G7, NATO na wale amabo sio NATO wala sio G7 lakini ni chawa wa USA.
Kawashinda aisee.
iIe ngoma Putin Ina akili sana aisee.!!!
 
28 NOV, 21:51

NATO foreign ministers recognize failure of Ukraine's counteroffensive — Hungarian MFA​


BUDAPEST, NATO foreign ministers have acknowledged that the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ counteroffensive against Russian troops has failed, falling far short of their expectations, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto, participating in the two-day meeting that opened in Brussels, said.
"The goals and hopes of the Ukrainian counteroffensive have been dashed because there has been no major change on the battlefield and no breakthrough since its beginning. This has been recognized by many people here. Szijjarto told Hungarian journalists after the first day of the NATO ministerial meeting.
"Regarding the course of the counteroffensive brought lower-than-expected results,".
 
25 NOV, 12:48

North Korean satellite takes pictures of US aircraft carrier, military bases.​


SEOUL,North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has studied the photographs of the US aircraft carrier Carl Vinson and military bases in Hawaii made by the country’s new intelligence satellite, the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported.
,the North Korean leader "visited the Pyongyang General Control Center of the National Aerospace Technology Administration (NATA) on November 24 to review the operational preparation of the reconnaissance satellite and watched the aerospace photos taken on Friday," including those of the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Carl Vinson in the port of Pusan, South Korea, as well as of the Pearl Harbor and Hickam military bases in Hawaii.
"The NATA reported to him on the plan for photographing the enemy region and the additional fine-tuning process of the reconnaissance satellite on Saturday morning," the news agency said.
On November 21, Pyongyang successfully launched its Malligyong-1 satellite on a Chollima-1 rocket and put it into orbit.
 
We are fighting today not only for the freedom of Russia, but for the freedom of the entire world,” Putin said. “Our country is now at the forefront of creating a more equitable world order. And I want to emphasize: without a sovereign, strong Russia, no lasting, stable world order is possible.”
 
Askari wa Ukraine anasema, kama lengo la counter offensive lilikuwa kukomboa vijiji viwili au vitatu karibu na Bakhmut na kijiji kimoja karibu na Zaporyzhia basi counter offensive imefanikiwa ila kama lengo ilikuwa ni kupiga hadi Crimea kama walivokuwa wanasema kwamba vilianzia pale na vitaishia pale basi counter offensive imeshindwa vibaya sana
 
MILITARY OPERATION IN UKRAINE
29 NOV, 07:06

Black Sea fleet frigate strikes Ukrainian military targets with four Kalibr missiles​

The Ministry of Defense reported that Black Sea fleet warships are successfully fulfilling designated tasks

MOSCOW, frigate of the Russian Black Sea fleet has fired four Kalibr cruise missiles at facilities of the Ukrainian armed forces, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Wednesday.
"While on a mission in the Black Sea, the crew of a Black Sea Fleet frigate received an urgent objective to strike the enemy’s military infrastructure facilities with Kalibr cruise missiles within the shortest possible timeframe," the ministry said.
According to the ministry, the salvo launch was a success. The designated targets have been hit.
"Black Sea fleet warships are successfully fulfilling designated tasks," the ministry said, commenting on a related video. "Surface ships of various classes, in cooperation with the naval aviation’s planes and helicopters, are patrolling waters off the Crimean Peninsula, detecting and destroying Ukrainian drone boats and high-speed landing boats. They also monitor the airspace.".

The Kalibr is a family of long-range, sea-skimming high-precision cruise missiles developed by Russia. The missile is capable of carrying conventional or nuclear warheads and can be launched from various platforms, including submarines, surface ships, and aircraft.
 
28 NOV, 21:24

Ukraine lost chance to save lives when it tossed out peace treaty, Kremlin official says​

Vladimir Medinsky was commenting on the recent revelations from David Arahamiya, a senior member of the pro-presidential Servant of the People party in the Ukrainian parliament
Kiev could have saved hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives if it had signed a peace treaty with Moscow last year, Russian presidential aide Vladimir Medinsky said.
 

All NATO Countries Agree Ukraine's Admission to Alliance Impossible for Now - Budapest​


Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said Tuesday that a consensus among NATO countries persists that it is impossible for Ukraine to join the alliance now, but it may be possible in the future if conditions are met and the allies agree.
"There is agreement at least that Ukraine's accession to NATO is impossible for now," Szijjarto told journalists after the end of the first day of NATO foreign ministers' meeting in Brussels.

Putin hataki Ukraine iwe NATO.hamsikii?
 

Ukraine’s Use of Private Recruitment Firms Another Sign of Desperation​


Kiev’s counteroffensive has bled the military dry, accelerating the nation’s depopulation as fighting age men are killed or flee to avoid being conscripted into a senseless meat grinder. Authorities are looking at private recruitment, but that’s likely just an attempt to suck more resources out of Western countries, an observer tells Sputnik.
Ukraine’s government is reportedly planning to use a pair of commercial recruitment firms to engage in the targeted recruitment of conscripts to make it so that recruits can get jobs which match their skills, some of them behind the frontlines, instead of just being sent to the front indiscriminately.

“Some people are scared, scared to die, scared to shoot, but it doesn’t mean they can’t be involved in other activities,” Ukrainian Security Council secretary Oleksiy Danilov told British media of the new initiative, which is expected to be rolled out as soon as later this week.
 
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