Steph Curry Visits Tanzania.


Jinyonge basi. You can keep on catching feelings everyday as I call you on your id.iocy. Naona leo hutalala juu ya kuambiwa ukweli.
 
chige said:
Naona unaanza mipasho ya kishoga... I love seeing my advice that you'd go to Mombasa worked...! And if you keep pushing for my cock; be my guest... will check'ya to your PM.
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chige said:
Looking for Mr. Johnson?! Sorry, am not used to it, so find someone else to please your hungry asshole!
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Lol............this dude needs to come out of his closet. He talks about gay sex in all his posts. You're probably a homosexual who's scared to come out. Real men don't talk about sex all the time. I pity you little boy.
 
chige said:
Naona unaanza mipasho ya kishoga... I love seeing my advice that you'd go to Mombasa worked...! And if you keep pushing for my cock; be my guest... will check'ya to your PM.
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No buddy, I don't want to be your guest. I am neither gay nor sex hungry. Please don't come to my inbox - You're too dumb for my attention, too stupi.d for my audience and it's clear we are of different sexual orientation. I am pretty sure there are many gay people in Dar es Salaam. Don't lose hope brother, you'll get one someday. Just come out and you'll be less frustrated.
 
NairobiWalker said:
Ebu waelezee. Kazi yao ni kutafuta picha za Kibera ambayo sahii inaundwa huku kwao kunaoza.
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Inaundwa ili mpigie dili nani hajui masaibu ya humo au unadhani hicho kizungu chenu ndo kinaficha makalio yenu
 
Mashoga kila siku ndo wanafataga wanaume walipo hadi sasa washaeleweka mashoga nani humu ambao kila siku wanawashwa kujipeleka kwa majirani
 



I dint misunderstand anything. You are the one who is (intentionally) failing to see this matter in my viewpoint, all in your vain attempt to present your country as more "well-off" than Kenya. This despite all the evidences showing otherwise. You Tanzanians have resorted to twisting the facts. I doubt if any of this effort at explaining things to u will in any way help dispel from your head your obstinate denial of the facts.

Let me first correct the first statement in your above comment that I dint explicitly state anywhere where I disagreed with eliakeem's comment, prior to the beginning of this exchange betwn u and me.I simply dismissed his comment as nonsensical,and I still stand by that. I will now explain where I disagree with his comment....

Eliakeem said:
"For instance UK has the big economy compared to Norway or Sweden. But if you look on the welfare of citizens, those Scandinavians countries are very far ahead".​

To which I answered:
"Ati he's working at the WB yet cant even comprehend such simple economic logic. Does he know why smaller African economies like Botswana and Mauritius report higher GDP per capita or HDI than the much larger economies of SA and Egypt?!"

In my response to Eliakeem's comment above, I was actually referring to the fact that the pipo in the Scandinavian countries he was pointing to have better standards of life cos those countries are pretty small with respect to the size of their population (which range just betwn 7mn and 10mn, in comparison to Britain which has a vast population of around 65mn inhabitants) and that they also have quite large, well functioning economies and governance systems. Britain on the other hand has been experiencing some troubles in its economic development, affecting its ability to improve its pipo's social welfare.
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In your response to me u kept referring to this animal called the GDP:
"But when there's no direct effect/relationship between a country's population size and the development/people's wellbeing; on the other hand there's DIRECT relationship between country's population and its per capita GDP keeping GDP constant.
Look, even Eliakeem's example about Sweden and Norway is purely based on development but your example for Botswana and probably Equitoria Guinea is again focusing on economic growth with most famous indicators; GDP and per capita GDP!"

But honestly, I dint not just restrict myself to the GDP, did I? I think I also pointed out that those countries; Botswana and Mauritus have higher Human Development Index scores than Sa or Egypt. HDI as u may already know is basically the measure of levels of social and economic development based on four criteria: Life expectancy at birth, mean years of schooling, expected years of schooling and gross national income per capita. Isnt that what u and Eliakeem are arguing about here?

Britain, even though it has an economy almost larger than the Scandinavian countries' combined, it still finds it difficult to provide for the social services to its citizens. That is bcos unlike the Scandinavian countries, Britain's a very huge, a very complex, a very culturally and racially diverse and a much faster growing society.
That's what I was implying to in my response to eliakeem's statement above...Botswana and Mauritius VS South Africa and Egypt.
I do not think my argument above contradicts in any way this statement of yours:
"Economic development has no DIRECT relationship with country's population size though it's also true that small population size makes it easy to attain above goals!"

I also feel obliged to address your following statement here:
"Look, even Eliakeem's example about Sweden and Norway is purely based on development but your example for Botswana and probably Equitoria Guinea is again focusing on economic growth with most famous indicators; GDP and per capita GDP!"

Look, I purposefully singled out Botswana and Mauritius and not any other country in Africa to compare with the advanced African economies of SA and Egypt in terms of social welfare development. I dint mention a country like Equatorial Guinea, mindful of how dysfunctional governance systems and avaricious regimes have hindered the growth of social welfare in some of these African countries. It isnt very civil of u including what I dint mention anywhere in my comment in order to alter the context of my statement.

Now, my bone of contention with eliakeem's opinion was his drawing the parallel between the UK and Norway's case with that of Kenya and Tanzania. Really! And u chige agree with him on this?
"For instance UK has the big economy compared to Norway or Sweden. But if you look on the welfare of citizens, those Scandinavians countries are very far ahead. Squarely the same, the economy of Kenya doesn't depict the truth on the ground. The country has a big number of people who live in miserable life, a lot of people are fleeing the country, class struggle etc. Those are some of the characters LDC. To surpass Tanzania doesn't not make Kenya to be out of LDC list".

To which one NairobiWalker, rather more articulately than I would ever have done tackled that irrelevant nonsense which some of u Tanzanians post here in order to disparage Kenya and its pipo whenever u get subsumed in your fits of jealousy over Kenya's progress.
I hope that Nairobiwalker wont mind me excerpting part of his response which is so thoroughly well put that I do not see the need to write another rebuttal to the Eliakeem's senseless comment above:

"Both Tanzania and Kenya are developing countries. They are both poor countries but arguing that that invalidates the fact that Kenya is ahead of Tanzania is absurd. You've seen your countrymen pop up from nowhere on every thread on this forum posting pictures of slums in Kenya to 'prove' Kenya is worse than Tanzania. You see, for a country to be ahead of another country, it doesn't have to solve all problems it has, it doesn't have to have everyone living an awesome life. If we argued that way we could also say China and Brazil and South Africa are neither ahead of Tz or out of the LDC simply because they hve millions of people living miserable lives. See? That doesn't make sense at all. Kenya just needs to be ahead of Tz for it to be ahead of Tz. Kenya has more millionaires, more middle class and less people living below the poverty line than Tanzania. It has a better electricity connection, a higher number of people with access to social ammenities and 'luxuries' such as Cars, TVs etc than Tz, it has better education facilities than Tz and better more organized cities and meets the criteria to be a non LDC country. That puts it ahead of Tz."

HDI, a measure of social welfare here:

Kenya Vs Tanzania.....
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I should also point out that Tanzania has a bigger population than Kenya, yet has smaller economy than Kenya's, meaning it's quite harder for it to improve its citizen's welfare.
 
This thread degenerated into a dick measuring contest, not good for the grown ups we're supposed to be. Tufikirie sote kama watu wakubwa kabla ya kuleta matusi ya kijinga or JF will just pass out to any guest perusing through as a big joke full of blithering idiots with Internet access.
 
Kenya na Tanzania zote zipo kwa the third world. Hata Afrika kusini na wamisri wapo katika kikundi kiki hiki.

To someone from Japan, US, or Germany, there's hardly any difference between the development state of Tanzania and Kenya. To someone from an emerging nation like perhaps Brazil, China or Russia, there could be some little bit of improvements traversing from Tanzanian towns to Kenyan ones infrastructure and planning wise but both are meh... Now to someone from another developing country like say Uganda, Nigeria or Botswana, Kenya seems quite to have taken some strides when compared to Tanzania due to town planning and significantly more paved roads. These are largely opinion based views.

Tukiangalia facts sasa, sitatumia gdp na gdp per capita which don't capture well being of persons in a country. I'll apply more realistic or visible measures. Kenya's 2015 hdi was 0.552 (middle human development) while Tz's was 0.524 (low human development). HDI huangalia vitu vingi kama education levels, access to health, life expectancy, access to sanitation, connection to electricity, distance from paved roads, access to water etc.
 


chige, you are the one who seems to be ill-versed in this topic. The confusion in your mind regarding this matter is all reflected in your arguments here. You are making this whole matter about population and development seem rather complicated for nothing.
Without the pipo, there wouldnt exist development; without a checked rise in population,development growth would be stymied (owing to the unchecked exploitation and consumption of the limited available resources); without a reasonably large population, there may not be much development growth due to shortage of enuff human skills to effectively exploit the available resources to stimulate development.

As u have correctly argued, there isnt a link btwn population growth and the LEVEL of development. I concur with that argument. I havent disputed it anywhere in my arguments. As u can see in my above comments, I dint limit myself to population size as the sole determinant of development in my explaining Welfare Economics as u want to make it seem. I also did refer to the importance of the existence of a well functioning governance systems and positive economic growth and management as the indespensable factors in effectuating development growth and and determining the extent of its development.
It wasnt only bcos of population size that I singled out Botswana and Mauritius as the African examples of the countries that have achieved high social welfare. As i have stated of Eq. Guinea, I was also cognizant of the role good governance and sound economic management policies play into bringing about development.

My argument was, the bigger the population or the faster the rise of population growth, the harder it becomes for the state authorities to meet its development goals targets, hence not effectively dispensing the all crucial social welfare services. The opposite is true about a smaller, slowly growing population.
I therefore INSIST on the existence of the co-relation btwn population size and the growth of development.

I think u and I would argue over this matter for days on end......
 
Its such a shame by looking on how these grown ups of jf entertain such a foolish contest....

Its better to ignore some people here coz they don't know how to behave themselves...why should you call people "stupid " or they don worth an health argument and yet yo still here doing nothing but throwing insults which inreturn improve nothing but worsening the situation
 
Kenya nasikia Kuna flying toilets nafikiri Ni Nairobi kibera. Halafu wakora WA Kenya wanakupaka kinyesi ndio wanakuibia. Mombasa maisha Ni magumu wakiona mzungu wanamkimbilia kama ndio anawatoa kwenye lindi la umaskini.
 
Who said kenya is a middle income country?

Kenya’s Vision 2030: Jubilee revises its flagship, economic stimulus projects

Kenya's First Lady Margaret Kenyatta is shown a model of Konza City by Machakos County Governor Alfred Mutua. The government has moved to boost the completion of some of its flagship projects ahead of the next General Election expected in August 2017. These include the Konza Techno City, which aims to position the country as a sustainable world class ICT hub. PHOTO | FILE | NATION MEDIA GROUP

IN SUMMARY

  • Kenya will increase spending on key economic sectors in the next financial year in a bid to jumpstart a lagging economy whose lacklustre performance has threatened the country’s dream of attaining middle-income status by 2030.
  • The government had initially projected that the economy would grow at a rate of about 6.1 per cent in 2013; 7.2 per cent in 2014; 8.7 per cent in 2015; 9.1 per cent in 2016 and 10.1 per cent in 2017.
  • National Treasury Cabinet Secretary Henry Rotich, delivering the 2016/2017 budget speech, said the government's focus is on reviving agriculture, industrial and service sectors through increased allocations and removal of taxes perceived as barriers to growth.


Kenya will increase spending on key economic sectors in the next financial year in a bid to jumpstart a lagging economy whose lacklustre performance has threatened the country’s dream of attaining middle-income status by 2030.

The economy has grown at an average of four per cent in eight years against a planned rate of 10 per cent partly due to poor performance of key economic sectors such as agriculture, manufacturing and tourism.

The government had initially projected that the economy would grow at a rate of about 6.1 per cent in 2013; 7.2 per cent in 2014; 8.7 per cent in 2015; 9.1 per cent in 2016 and 10.1 per cent in 2017.

This has left the nation’s ambitions of becoming a middle-income economy — with per capita income of between $1,045 and $12,736 — in limbo as the government struggles to meet key growth targets under its long-term development plan, Vision 2030.

National Treasury Cabinet Secretary Henry Rotich, delivering the 2016/2017 budget speech, said the government's focus is on reviving agriculture, industrial and service sectors through increased allocations and removal of taxes perceived as barriers to growth.

Mr Rotich allocated Ksh4.9 billion ($49 million) to subsidise fertiliser and seeds in order to improve yield and output for farmers and removed the Sugar Development Levy of four per cent and the one per cent ad valorem levy on tea.

The ex-factory price of sugar paid by wholesalers includes government levies such as four per cent Sugar Development Levy and 16 per cent value added tax.

Mr Rotich set aside Ksh2.4 billion ($24 million) for the Coffee Debt Waiver and Price Stabilisation Fund and allocated Ksh8.4 billion ($84 million) for acquisition of offshore patrol vessels for the fisheries sub-sector, modernisation of the Kenya Meat Commission, revival of the pyrethrum sector, the livestock and crop insurance scheme and mechanisation of agriculture.

The Jubilee government also moved to boost the completion of some of its flagship projects ahead of the next General Election expected in August 2017.

These include the Konza Techno City, which aims to position the country as a sustainable worldclass ICT hub; the Kenya National Electronic Single Window System; digital migration; the Digital Literacy Programme (School Laptop Project) and the one-stop-shop Service centres (popularly known as Huduma Centres), which aim to enhance access to and delivery of government services to all citizens.

READ: Kenya Vision 2030: Mega projects well under way but growth remains elusive

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The government allocated Ksh13.4 billion ($134 million) for the Digital Literacy Programme and Ksh6.1 billion ($61 million) for the Single Window Support Project, Research Development Fund, roll out of the Integrated Financial Management Information and System (IFMIS), development of Konza Technopolis, and digital migration (Kenya Broadcasting Corporation).

To ensure universal access to safe water and sanitation for all by 2030, the government in collaboration with the government of Sweden came up with the Kenya Innovative Financing Facility for water, which will establish a Kenya Pooled Water Fund.

The fund will facilitate financing of the water sector infrastructure by issuing long-term bonds in the local capital market. The funds will be loaned to creditworthy water service providers to build water and sanitation infrastructure.

Mr Rotich said the programme will leverage on the existing Ministry of Water and Irrigation budget by raising a minimum of Ksh3 billion ($30 million) in infrastructure bonds on an annual basis.

Other initiatives include the revival of a programme to expand technical training institutes and universities in the country.

Mr Rotich also proposed key interventions to revive and support companies that have the potential of making significant contributions to the growth of the economy and spurring job creation.

These include Mumias Sugar Company, Rivatex, PanPaper Mills, New Kenya Co-operative Creameries and national carrier Kenya Airways.

The Mumias Sugar Company received a Ksh2 billion ($19.44 million) government bailout package to ease its financial constraints while loss-making Kenya Airways got a Ksh4.2 billion ($42 million) loan from the state to shore up its finances.

“The manufacturing sector is a key driver of economic growth, particularly in the agricultural sector through growth of exports and job creation. The government is also focused on stimulating local inputs to spur the development of SMEs in Kenya,” said Mr Rotich.

Kenya has moved to support the export processing zones to make products more competitive in the local market by exempting locally made garments, clothes and shoes from VAT.

Mr Rotich allocated Ksh4.5 billion ($45 million) to revamp tourism promotion activities in the country and exempted entry fees charged at national parks from VAT.

He also exempted commissions earned by tour operators from VAT while increasing air passenger service charges for external travel from $40 to $50 and for internal travel from Ksh500 ($5) to Ksh600 ($6).

Kenya’s Vision 2030, which was officially launched in July 2008 aims to transform the country into a newly industrialising, globally competitive and middle-income country providing a high quality of life to all its citizens.

Flagship projects under the plan include paving of 10,000 kilometres of roads by 2017 and generation of over 5,000MW of power in 40 months.

However, implementation of the projects has fallen behind schedule largely due to inadequate funding, lengthy procurement processes and ligation over tender awards, land acquisition and compensation issues and high transaction costs.

For instance, in September 2013, the Jubilee government launched an ambitious programme to deliver an addition 5,000MW of power in 40 months but to date only 615MW have been added to the national grid.

Other flagship projects include the Lamu Port Southern Sudan-Ethiopia Transport (Lapsset) Corridor project, the Konza Techno City, modernisation of Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (greenfield terminal and second runway), expansion of the port of Mombasa, and the standard gauge railway (SGR).

The government has already abandoned the greenfield terminal project citing inflated costs.

Currently there are 164,000km of road network in the country of which only 13,000km is paved.

An additional 10,000km had been earmarked to be paved by 2017 — of which 80 per cent will be rural roads and 20 per cent urban roads.

Kenya’s Vision 2030: Jubilee revises its flagship, economic stimulus projects


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