Naby Keita
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Umeelezea kinagaubaga mkuu, ila tarajia kubishiwa. Hawa Jamaa wala usipoteze pumzi kubishana nao, wanashida ya chakula to the extent wanasiasa wanaijumlisha kwenye propaganda zao za uchaguzi.The first thing to consider when we talk abt food production is "PRODUCTION AT NATIONAL LEVEL".Go reread those reports from the organisations you said! The headlines show that Tanzania produces sufficient food at national level contrary to Kenya where there is no sufficient production at national level! This is why we don't import food, whilst you do.
However, No country can be uniform, especially to the least and developing countries! Like it is in Kenya, some parts of our country are semi arid hence limited food production. But people from these area get their food from the nearby regions unlike in Kenya where in a situation like this, food ought to be imported!
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Take a look at the above attachment! Despite the fact that the areas marked in red produces insufficient food, yet they are supplemented from the green marked regions!
Now why is tz sometimes described as food insecure? Let's go back & see what food security means!
Food security, as defined by the United Nations’ Committee on World Food Security, is the condition in which all people, at all times, have physical, social and economic access to sufficient, safe and nutritious food that meets their dietary needs and food preferences for an active and healthy life.
Since the semiarid areas expect food from other parts, be it they buy themselves or the government intervenes, the concept of food security is already altered!
However this is where the difference btn kenya and tz comes! When tz government intervenes by supplying food from high producing area to other parts, the Kenyan gvt has to import it from any nation, preferably tz! There4, kenyans suffer more than tz do!
Bro, I can assure you, it is so difficult to completely put a country at 100% food secure, even to the developed countries! Take an example of the USA, it's the major global food producer, but as we speak, 12.7% of the households and 1person in every 6 suffer from food insecurity! See here!
11 Facts About Hunger in the US | DoSomething.org | Volunteer for Social Change
United States Hunger Facts, Poverty Facts 2016 - World Hunger News
Coming to the issue of Poor nutrition, it's an issue our country as an LDC needs to address and take appropriate actions! Oul local are still poor, despite that they hav sufficient food but they lack proper education on how to feed the infants and youths! This is a global issue anyway, even the developed countries face the same thing!
A person who says something is impossible should not interrupt the person who is doing it.
Ni kweli usemalo mkuu! Ila inabidi twende nao hivyo hivyo, lazima watuelewe tu!Umeelezea kinagaubaga mkuu, ila tarajia kubishiwa. Hawa Jamaa wala usipoteze pumzi kubishana nao, wanashida ya chakula to the extent wanasiasa wanaijumlisha kwenye propaganda zao za uchaguzi.
Na yote haya uliyoyasema bado jamaa watavaa mawani ya mbao na kutoa maneno ya kujirudia rudia kama robot.The first thing to consider when we talk abt food production is "PRODUCTION AT NATIONAL LEVEL".Go reread those reports from the organisations you said! The headlines show that Tanzania produces sufficient food at national level contrary to Kenya where there is no sufficient production at national level! This is why we don't import food, whilst you do.
However, No country can be uniform, especially to the least and developing countries! Like it is in Kenya, some parts of our country are semi arid hence limited food production. But people from these area get their food from the nearby regions unlike in Kenya where in a situation like this, food ought to be imported!
View attachment 545188
Take a look at the above attachment! Despite the fact that the areas marked in red produces insufficient food, yet they are supplemented from the green marked regions!
Now why is tz sometimes described as food insecure? Let's go back & see what food security means!
Food security, as defined by the United Nations’ Committee on World Food Security, is the condition in which all people, at all times, have physical, social and economic access to sufficient, safe and nutritious food that meets their dietary needs and food preferences for an active and healthy life.
Since the semiarid areas expect food from other parts, be it they buy themselves or the government intervenes, the concept of food security is already altered!
However this is where the difference btn kenya and tz comes! When tz government intervenes by supplying food from high producing area to other parts, the Kenyan gvt has to import it from any nation, preferably tz! There4, kenyans suffer more than tz do!
Bro, I can assure you, it is so difficult to completely put a country at 100% food secure, even to the developed countries! Take an example of the USA, it's the major global food producer, but as we speak, 12.7% of the households and 1person in every 6 suffer from food insecurity! See here!
11 Facts About Hunger in the US | DoSomething.org | Volunteer for Social Change
United States Hunger Facts, Poverty Facts 2016 - World Hunger News
Coming to the issue of Poor nutrition, it's an issue our country as an LDC needs to address and take appropriate actions! Oul local are still poor, despite that they hav sufficient food but they lack proper education on how to feed the infants and youths! This is a global issue anyway, even the developed countries face the same thing!
A person who says something is impossible should not interrupt the person who is doing it.
Huwa wanajifanya kutokubali hawa mpaka uwape virungu!Na yote haya uliyoyasema bado jamaa watavaa mawani ya mbao na kutoa maneno ya kujirudia rudia kama robot.
[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]Huwa wanajifanya kutokubali hawa mpaka uwape virungu!
A person who says something is impossible should not interrupt the person who is doing it.
It is funny how u can claim so confidently that Kenya does not produce sufficient food yet the bulk of its export consists of food products.The first thing to consider when we talk abt food production is "PRODUCTION AT NATIONAL LEVEL".Go reread those reports from the organisations you said! The headlines show that Tanzania produces sufficient food at national level contrary to Kenya where there is no sufficient production at national level! This is why we don't import food, whilst you do.
However, No country can be uniform, especially to the least and developing countries! Like it is in Kenya, some parts of our country are semi arid hence limited food production. But people from these area get their food from the nearby regions unlike in Kenya where in a situation like this, food ought to be imported!
View attachment 545188
Take a look at the above attachment! Despite the fact that the areas marked in red produces insufficient food, yet they are supplemented from the green marked regions!
Now why is tz sometimes described as food insecure? Let's go back & see what food security means!
Food security, as defined by the United Nations’ Committee on World Food Security, is the condition in which all people, at all times, have physical, social and economic access to sufficient, safe and nutritious food that meets their dietary needs and food preferences for an active and healthy life.
Since the semiarid areas expect food from other parts, be it they buy themselves or the government intervenes, the concept of food security is already altered!
However this is where the difference btn kenya and tz comes! When tz government intervenes by supplying food from high producing area to other parts, the Kenyan gvt has to import it from any nation, preferably tz! There4, kenyans suffer more than tz do!
Bro, I can assure you, it is so difficult to completely put a country at 100% food secure, even to the developed countries! Take an example of the USA, it's the major global food producer, but as we speak, 12.7% of the households and 1person in every 6 suffer from food insecurity! See here!
11 Facts About Hunger in the US | DoSomething.org | Volunteer for Social Change
United States Hunger Facts, Poverty Facts 2016 - World Hunger News
Coming to the issue of Poor nutrition, it's an issue our country as an LDC needs to address and take appropriate actions! Oul local are still poor, despite that they hav sufficient food but they lack proper education on how to feed the infants and youths! This is a global issue anyway, even the developed countries face the same thing!
A person who says something is impossible should not interrupt the person who is doing it.
It is funny how u can claim so confidently that Kenya does not produce sufficient food yet the bulk of its export consists of food products.
Kenya produces, exports (not to mention consumes) such food products as wheat, milk, meat, sugar, fruits and vegetables more than Tanzania!
It is one of the major producers of these foods in the continent.
Kenya produces almost equal amount of maize and rice as Tanzania. However, the level of consumption is not at par with the consumption, thus the perennial need to import in order to plug the deficit.
Only 5% of Kenyans experience acute food shortages, even during the last famine deemed to be the worst since 1984 affected just 4million people, or 5% of the pooulation, mostly in the arid regions of the north.
Well put! mtanzania haelewi hili, atapinga, the way they argue in Nai vs Dar thread, sasa wana amini Dar beats Nai, Kenya is like stagnant in all fronts, kiukweli, tz is doing good but yet.
Man, iyo ni bulk of capitalist export and effort, they dont give a damn abt majority poor Kenyan people, those are government's burden, eti Kenya produces sufficient food and yet bothers itself to purchase food from Zambia. Either umejitoa ufaham, au labda hujui uchumi aina yenu unaendeshwa. Serikali inapaswa wezesha RAIA wapate ardhi za kulima au iwalazimishe hao mabepari kulima vyakula vinavyohitajika hapo kwenu, ili wakivuna serikali inunue kwao isambaze maeneo yenye shida na individual wakulima wafanye biashara, kinachotokea hapo kwenyu ni kwamba either hakuna ardhi ya kutoshea kuwapa wananchi walime mazao hitajika na kujikidhi kama nchi or serikali haina meno ya kuwalazimisha capitalist waliohodhi ardhi walime mazao hitajika, wanawaacha na tea plantation, flowers etc, nyuki wakenya wanafaidi kuliko wakenya, ndio maana hata asali mnavuna sana na kuexport.It is funny how u can claim so confidently that Kenya does not produce sufficient food yet the bulk of its export consists of food products.
Kenya produces, exports (not to mention consumes) such food products as wheat, milk, meat, sugar, fruits and vegetables more than Tanzania!
It is one of the major producers of these foods in the continent.
Kenya produces almost equal amount of maize and rice as Tanzania. However, the level of consumption is not at par with the consumption, thus the perennial need to import in order to plug the deficit.
Only 5% of Kenyans experience acute food shortages, even during the last famine deemed to be the worst since 1984 affected just 4million people, or 5% of the pooulation, mostly in the arid regions of the north.
So, if u recognize that this indeed is a global problem that has afflicted even the most developed countries such as the US, what makes the Kenyan situation so extraordinary that it should warrant the near- daily mockeries from u Tanzanians?
We know that u got very fertile lands, u produce a lot of food....but what we are pointing at here is the stark irony that a country that produces so much food should grapple with one of the world's worst cases of malnutrition.
The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2015
U say that Kenyans die of hunger but se what the expert reports say about child mortalities in Tanzania attributed to lack of food/ nutrient rich foods.
Man, iyo ni bulk of capitalist export and effort, they dont give a damn abt majority poor Kenyan people, those are government's burden, eti Kenya produces sufficient food and yet bothers itself to purchase food from Zambia. Either umejitoa ufaham, au labda hujui uchumi aina yenu unaendeshwa. Serikali inapaswa wezesha RAIA wapate ardhi za kulima au iwalazimishe hao mabepari kulima vyakula vinavyohitajika hapo kwenu, ili wakivuna serikali inunue kwao isambaze maeneo yenye shida na individual wakulima wafanye biashara, kinachotokea hapo kwenyu ni kwamba either hakuna ardhi ya kutoshea kuwapa wananchi walime mazao hitajika na kujikidhi kama nchi or serikali haina meno ya kuwalazimisha capitalist waliohodhi ardhi walime mazao hitajika, wanawaacha na tea plantation, flowers etc, nyuki wakenya wanafaidi kuliko wakenya, ndio maana hata asali mnavuna sana na kuexport.
And the malnutrition report you's referring was published in 2015, it is 2017 buda.
Mkitaka epuka hii kadhaa labda mbadilishe uongozi, sababu naona Kenyatta mwenyewe ni mnufaikaji Mkubwa wa kumiliki big chunks of land and he's selling milk, kwa iyo itakuwa amejaza ng'ombe huko.
It is funny how u can claim so confidently that Kenya does not produce sufficient food yet the bulk of its export consists of food products.
Kenya produces, exports (not to mention consumes) such food products as wheat, milk, meat, sugar, fruits and vegetables more than Tanzania!
It is one of the major producers of these foods in the continent.
Kenya produces almost equal amount of maize and rice as Tanzania. However, the level of consumption is not at par with the consumption, thus the perennial need to import in order to plug the deficit.
Only 5% of Kenyans experience acute food shortages, even during the last famine deemed to be the worst since 1984 affected just 4million people, or 5% of the pooulation, mostly in the arid regions of the north.
So, if u recognize that this indeed is a global problem that has afflicted even the most developed countries such as the US, what makes the Kenyan situation so extraordinary that it should warrant the near- daily mockeries from u Tanzanians?
We know that u got very fertile lands, u produce a lot of food....but what we are pointing at here is the stark irony that a country that produces so much food should grapple with one of the world's worst cases of malnutrition.
The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2015
U say that Kenyans die of hunger but se what the expert reports say about child mortalities in Tanzania attributed to lack of food/ nutrient rich foods.
It is funny how u can claim so confidently that Kenya does not produce sufficient food yet the bulk of its export consists of food products.
Kenya produces, exports (not to mention consumes) such food products as wheat, milk, meat, sugar, fruits and vegetables more than Tanzania!
It is one of the major producers of these foods in the continent.
Kenya produces almost equal amount of maize and rice as Tanzania. However, the level of consumption is not at par with the consumption, thus the perennial need to import in order to plug the deficit.
Only 5% of Kenyans experience acute food shortages, even during the last famine deemed to be the worst since 1984 affected just 4million people, or 5% of the pooulation, mostly in the arid regions of the north.
So, if u recognize that this indeed is a global problem that has afflicted even the most developed countries such as the US, what makes the Kenyan situation so extraordinary that it should warrant the near- daily mockeries from u Tanzanians?
We know that u got very fertile lands, u produce a lot of food....but what we are pointing at here is the stark irony that a country that produces so much food should grapple with one of the world's worst cases of malnutrition.
The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2015
U say that Kenyans die of hunger but se what the expert reports say about child mortalities in Tanzania attributed to lack of food/ nutrient rich foods.
UnaotaWow! So suala la njaa Kenya nalo kweli ni la kupigia kubishana kwa kiasi hili!
May be you have forgotten that every year, Kenya receives food donations from many international organizations!
Sasa nikuulize, kama mnazalisha kiasi kikubwa namna hiyo, kwa nini mnapokea msaada kila mwaka? (kwa akili yako unaweza kusema mna wakimbizi wengi)
Tz haijawahi kupokea misaada ya namna hiyo, ndo hapo uone tofauti yetu na ninyi!
Ona hapa jinsi mnavuochangiwa kila mwaka!
Kenya | Hunger Relief in Africa | Action Against Hunger
Helping Starving African Children
https://www.hungerfree.org/kenya/
http://www.feedthechildren.org/country/kenya/
Ziko nyingi sana lakini tz hakuna hata moja!
Wow! So suala la njaa Kenya nalo kweli ni la kupigia kubishana kwa kiasi hili! May be you have forgotten that every year, Kenya receives food donations from many international organizations! Sasa nikuulize, kama mnazalisha kiasi kikubwa namna hiyo, kwa nini mnapokea msaada kila mwaka? (kwa akili yako unaweza kusema mna wakimbizi wengi) Tz haijawahi kupokea misaada ya namna hiyo, ndo hapo uone tofauti yetu na ninyi! Ona hapa jinsi mnavuochangiwa kila mwaka! Kenya | Hunger Relief in Africa | Action Against Hunger Helping Starving African Children https://www.hungerfree.org/kenya/ http://www.feedthechildren.org/country/kenya/ Ziko nyingi sana lakini tz hakuna hata moja!
I missed nothing, it's obvious that i saw that report before u did!U missed this in the OP above:
"Advocacy groups, politicians and the media were censored by the government officials after they reported food shortages, hunger and livestock deaths in some of the affected areas."
And there are more similar claims online:
KAKAKUONA : Tanzania inakabiliwa na baa la njaa au tishio la
Tanzania: Survey Finds Most Tanzanians Go Hungry, Despite Govt Denials
I missed nothing, it's obvious that i saw that report before u did!
Let's get back to business! Kama tz ilikuwa na 78% na ke 6% , kwa nini misaada ya chakula(donations) itolewe kwenye nchi yenye watu wachache badala ya watu wengi? Ushawawahi kujiuliza hilo?
Nenda utafute tena majibu uniletee sehemu tz imepokea misaada ya chakula kwa watu wake!
Usije kunambia kile kilipelekwa kwa wakimbizi mwaka gani ule sikumbuki
Eti perhaps ni kwa sababu tuna deny au conceal abt hunger situation!? Brother, hunger can't be concealed or denied! Tunachosema hapa ndo kilichopo tz!Perhaps it is bcos of your denials and concealment of the extent of the situation in your country. I do not know.
As we have already seen, the cases of pipo not accessing sufficient food is quite rampart in some parts of Tanzania. Those reports and the concerns voiced by the aid agencies, the civil societies, the opposition groups, and as we have seen in that report by KAKAKUONA even the religious leaders waded in into the debated, and repudiated the President's claims that Tanzania isnt experiencing food problems.
Now, it appears to me that u Tanzanians assume that this whole country of Kenya gets impacted by famine whenever the crisis is announced, but that is really not the case always.
Kenya govts spends billions of shillings annually to counteract what might be a very disastrous consequence of hunger in the North. Kenya also makes the request to external aid agencies to donate food, MOST of which is used to cater for the thousands of regusees living in the country, particularlu in the areas ravaged almost annually by drought. It would be such a liability if Kenya was to use its own resources to provide food to all these people.
May I call to your attention that what Kenya actually recieves as food aid is much less in comparison to what it produces or purchases from the external sources such as Tanzania.
Eti perhaps ni kwa sababu tuna deny au conceal abt hunger situation!? Brother, hunger can't be concealed or denied! Tunachosema hapa ndo kilichopo tz! Ni last year pekee ambapo kwa miezi michache tumekuwa na food shortage na sio hunger! Tena kwa maeneo baadhi ambayo niliyasema kwenye post yangu ya kwanza kwenye huu uzi! Hizo report za FAO, ni generalized! Nilisema kuwa tz kuna maeneo ambayo kidogo hayazalishi chakula, lakini maeneo mengine wanazalisha cha kutosha kuwahudumia maeneo hayo! Na nikasema kuwa ikitokea hali ya eneo moja katika nchi kutokuwa chakula cha kutosha na kutegemea kitoke sehemu nyingine, tayari hapo concept ya food security inakuwa altered! Ndo maana hizo report wewe unazoishia kusoma utaona zinasema kuwa hakuna chakula cha kutosha! But ukweli hata wewe unaufaham kuwa tz tunazalisha cha kutosha na ziada na tunawauzia kila mwaka, na tusipowauzia mnavuta midomo! Sasa ni nchi gani itauza chakula nje iihali watu wake wana njaa? Kama hilo nalo hilioni basi inabidi uende tuition kidogo maana naona maandiko ya wazungu yamechota akili yako kabisa hutaki kuishughulisha ten!