Tanzanians tell President Kikwete not to bring Kenya's blood into Mwalimu's land!

[Dr. Job]

UHURU NO! Tanzanians Tell Kikwete NOT to Bring Kenyas Blood in the Land of Mwalimu Nyerere

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From the day the National Accord was signed into Law, the name Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete found its way into the Kenyan political lexicon. Increasingly, Kikwete was a dominant player in the Kenyan political chessboard, bringing a swift end to the power struggle between the ODM leader Raila Amolo Odinga and PNUs Mwai Kibaki. Both Kibaki and Raila are currently out of government (though Kibaki is still supra-president) and while Raila remains in active politics, Kibaki is nursing Lucy or playing golf or doing whatever he is doing.

To be honest, this writer is not a great fan of Mavi ya Kuku because Mavi ya Kuku was never a president of this writer. But this is another days story. A sad story.

A lot is going on in East Africa. I hear at EALA, Kenyas parliamentarians staged a walkout, further frustrating Tanzania, a country which is increasingly facing south; thanks to the combined incredulity of President Uhuru Kenyatta, Uganda strongman Yoweri Museveni and Rwandas noble dictator Paul Kagame.

Until Kikwetes spat with Kagame over the Congo crisis, the powder keg of this part of the pangea, the political tectonics of the region put him at par with Yoweri Museveni, especially insofar as geopolitical balance of this restive region is concerned. Yoweri and Kagame are chips of the same bloc. Both came to power through the gun, and both are using the gun (primarily) and the ballot (secondarily) to hung on to power. But Kikwete is a different leader. Tanzanias socialist history has maintained a highly cohesive country, with power seen as a true expression of the people.

Jakaya Kikwete is no Museveni, Kagame, Yoweri or Uhuru. While Kenyas political problem is the runaway ethnic greed and hegemony called tribalism, Rwanda is an emerging muted democracy and Uganda has resigned to the gods and cows of Museveni. Tanzania, on the other hand, has neither of these. Meaning, the land of Julius Nyerere remains the only true example of a socialist democracy where the race to the top has not been mafianised as is here at home.

So there was a plot to try Uhuru in Tanzania, not the ICC at the Hague. Uhuru faces justice for mass murder, rape, forceful displacement of communities and other grisly crimes only imaginable in a vulture society such as the one his father, the dead Jomo Kenyatta, founded in 1963. But I digress again.

Uhuru will not be tried in Tanzania. The Tanzanians do not wish to be glued on their national Television sets watching charred bodies of burned people in a church at Kiambaa in Eldore. The Tanzanians do not wish to watch the kind of public shame that we are used to where politicians go to Dar Es Salaam to sing the countrys national anthem draped in the countrys national flag.

Jakaya has been told, and this is what our source at the Ruling Chama Cha Mapinduzi informed us, to severe any links with the kenyan facing crimes against humanity. Chama Cha Mapinduzi was here last when ODM had its national convention in Kasarani where father of modern democracy was declared the partys flag bearer.

Ideologically, the Tanzanians have leaned more to the Odingas than the Kenyattas. In fact, it was during Jomo Kenyattas despotic stranglehold of the Kenyan state that Mwalimu Nyerere (now in heaven with the 24 elders) told his people that Kenya was a man eat man society.

Senior Chama cha Mapinduzi officials who spoke with our source in Dodoma are said to have been uncomfortable with the Kenyan cases being tried in their peaceful, bloodless country.

We fought the Germans in the Maji Maji and we want them to feel guilty for posterity. I hear your MauMau went to seek money from the British. Have you not removed the guilt of colonialism from them? posed one elderly Tanzanian whose disgust for the vulture capitalism in Kenya shows whenever he remembers the pictures of the post-election violence.

How could it happen? he asks. Well, Mama Fatou Bensouda will this begin revealing how Uhuru and Ruto burned up the country.

Tanzanians, those who talk about Kenya on the streets, are saying they do not want to be party to injustice. As the Hague cases begin at the ICC, AG Githu better forgets Uhuru and Ruto ever being tried in Nyereres land.

Kikwete put him in power, but Tanzanians have rejected him! Hague pap!

Pia, soma: Kagame tells Kikwete "I will hit you......"

 

[Dr. Job]

THE Tanzania government wants to be allowed to make submissions in the appeal challenging a decision to allow Deputy President William Ruto to skip part of his ICC trial.

Tanzania's Attorney General Fredrick Mwita wrote to the ICC on Monday.

He said allowing Ruto to skip some portions of the trial would help enhance co-operation between the court and state parties.

"The brief will observe that, in certain circumstances, the rights of the accused, the rights of the victims and the rights of other interested constituencies such as voters in democratic states can all be accommodated in an effective and meaningful fashion within the court's framework and without any negative impact on the court's aims," the letter read.

Mwita said that as a friend of the court, Tanzania can help the ICC adopt a broad and flexible interpretation of the Article 63 of the Rome Statutes on the presence of an accused person in court.

"An interpretation which encourages state cooperation in the widest possible set of circumstances and without jeopardising the constitutional responsibilities of leaders," he said.

Mwita said that the Tanzania government's brief will consider the balance to be struck between those subject to the court's jurisdiction but who also occupy high office.

Ruto, whose trial started at the Hague yesterday, has been allowed to skip some of the sessions of his trial to help him balance his duties as Kenya's Deputy President.

The judges' decision has however been suspended by the court until an appeal brought against it by Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda is determined.

This is the second time that Tanzania is speaking to the court over the ongoing Kenyan ICC cases against Ruto, President Uhuru Kenyatta and journalist Joshua Sang.

The first time was during discussions on whether the Arusha-based International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda can host the Ruto and Sang trial.

A plenary of 14 judges rejected Ruto's request for trials in Kenya or Arusha after they failed to raise the majority 10 judges support. Only nine voted in favour of having the trials in Kenya or Tanzania.

- See more at: Tanzania appeals to Hague for Ruto | The Star

 

[MaxShimba]

The Tanzanian government has filed before the ICC's registry its intention to give briefs regarding prosecutor Fatou Bensouda's appeal against the decision on Deputy President William Ruto's request for excusal from continuous presence during his rial.

Standard Digital News - Kenya : Tanzania AG Fredrick Mwita Werema writes to The Hague over Ruto trial

 

[Crashwise]

hii ipo hapa jf tumeijadili tangu jana kama siyo juzi..

 

[Geza Ulole]

a stupid move

 

[Jammu Africa]

Very nice,,,,mr AG,,,,kumbe twa ndanganywa eti eti wa Tatnzania wote
wangependa kuona Kenya,,ikihaibika,,,,huyu ni mkuu wa sheria Tanzania
akitaka kusaidia korti la Hague,,,kufafanua katiba ambayo wana faa
kuifwata,,katika hii ICC,,sijui nini.

Kumbe ni wale tuu,,,ambao wako katika hii forum,,,wakiwa,,ulaya.

Thanx mr AG,,,na pole,,,,,, kwa wale wame vunjwa,,roho,,:smiling::smiling:

Sorriiiini,,,,:smiling:,,,saaaaana.

 

[Jammu Africa]

Uhuru will not be tried in Tanzania. The Tanzanians do not wish to be glued on their national Television sets watching charred bodies of burned people in a church at Kiambaa in Eldore. The Tanzanians do not wish to watch the kind of public shame that we are used to where politicians go to Dar Es Salaam to sing the country's national anthem draped in the country's national flag.

Jakaya has been told, and this is what our source at the Ruling Chama Cha Mapinduzi informed us, to "severe any links with the kenyan facing crimes against humanity." Chama Cha Mapinduzi was here last when ODM had its national convention in Kasarani where father of modern democracy was declared the party's flag bearer.

Dr Job,,,these are your own stories,,,made by you,,to deceive yourself.

Read what is above,,,,by the Attorney General of Tanzania and stop
living in a,,,,,,,

Dreamland.

Dr Job or whoever you maybe,,,,,wake up so
that you can,,,,live.

How can you be a judge in ,,,in this
forum.

How do you know that,,, Uhuru and Ruto,, are guilty.

Bensouda needs you so much,,,,that is why the case at
the Hague is,,being postponed,,,for the lack of,,witnesses and
you,,,,here saying,,sijui nini,,,,go and help her,,

Why waste time here,,go to the Hague and help put UhuRuto,,
behind bars.

Be a man and do,,what is,,necessary, go and present,,alllll the
evidence,,for it looks as if,,,,,

You have plenty.

 

[Edzeame]

UHURU NO! Tanzanians Tell Kikwete NOT to Bring Kenya's Blood in the Land of Mwalimu Nyerere

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From the day the National Accord was signed into Law, the name Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete found its way into the Kenyan political lexicon. Increasingly, Kikwete was a dominant player in the Kenyan political chessboard, bringing a swift end to the power struggle between the ODM leader Raila Amolo Odinga and PNU's Mwai Kibaki. Both Kibaki and Raila are currently out of government (though Kibaki is still supra-president) and while Raila remains in active politics, Kibaki is nursing Lucy or playing golf or doing whatever he is doing.

To be honest, this writer is not a great fan of Mavi ya Kuku because Mavi ya Kuku was never a president of this writer. But this is another day's story. A sad story.

A lot is going on in East Africa. I hear at EALA, Kenya's parliamentarians staged a walkout, further frustrating Tanzania, a country which is increasingly facing south; thanks to the combined incredulity of President Uhuru Kenyatta, Uganda strongman Yoweri Museveni and Rwanda's noble dictator Paul Kagame.

Until Kikwete's spat with Kagame over the Congo crisis, the powder keg of this part of the pangea, the political tectonics of the region put him at par with Yoweri Museveni, especially insofar as geopolitical balance of this restive region is concerned. Yoweri and Kagame are chips of the same bloc. Both came to power through the gun, and both are using the gun (primarily) and the ballot (secondarily) to hung on to power. But Kikwete is a different leader. Tanzania's socialist history has maintained a highly cohesive country, with power seen as a true expression of the people.

Jakaya Kikwete is no Museveni, Kagame, Yoweri or Uhuru. While Kenya's political problem is the runaway ethnic greed and hegemony called tribalism, Rwanda is an emerging ‘muted democracy' and Uganda has resigned to the gods and cows of Museveni. Tanzania, on the other hand, has neither of these. Meaning, the land of Julius Nyerere remains the only true example of a socialist democracy where the race to the top has not been ‘mafianised' as is here at home.

So there was a plot to try Uhuru in Tanzania, not the ICC at the Hague. Uhuru faces justice for mass murder, rape, forceful displacement of communities and other grisly crimes only imaginable in a vulture society such as the one his father, the dead Jomo Kenyatta, founded in 1963. But I digress again.

Uhuru will not be tried in Tanzania. The Tanzanians do not wish to be glued on their national Television sets watching charred bodies of burned people in a church at Kiambaa in Eldore. The Tanzanians do not wish to watch the kind of public shame that we are used to where politicians go to Dar Es Salaam to sing the country's national anthem draped in the country's national flag.

Jakaya has been told, and this is what our source at the Ruling Chama Cha Mapinduzi informed us, to "severe any links with the kenyan facing crimes against humanity." Chama Cha Mapinduzi was here last when ODM had its national convention in Kasarani where father of modern democracy was declared the party's flag bearer.

Ideologically, the Tanzanians have leaned more to the Odingas than the Kenyattas. In fact, it was during Jomo Kenyatta's despotic stranglehold of the Kenyan state that Mwalimu Nyerere (now in heaven with the 24 elders) told his people that Kenya was a "man eat man society".

Senior Chama cha Mapinduzi officials who spoke with our source in Dodoma are said to have been uncomfortable with the Kenyan cases being tried in their peaceful, bloodless country.

"We fought the Germans in the Maji Maji and we want them to feel guilty for posterity. I hear your MauMau went to seek money from the British. Have you not removed the guilt of colonialism from them?" posed one elderly Tanzanian whose disgust for the vulture capitalism in Kenya shows whenever he remembers the pictures of the post-election violence.

"How could it happen?" he asks. Well, Mama Fatou Bensouda will this begin revealing how Uhuru and Ruto burned up the country.

Tanzanians, those who talk about Kenya on the streets, are saying they do not want to be party to injustice. As the Hague cases begin at the ICC, AG Githu better forgets Uhuru and Ruto ever being tried in Nyerere's land.

Kikwete put him in power, but Tanzanians have rejected him! Hague pap!

it would be a disaster for kikwete to accept the trials of the uhuru and ruto on his soil. already there is an arusha based court for ICTR trying perpatrators of the rwandan genocide...this was a mistake for an african country to try criminals on behalf of the International crimes tribunal
if he does, he will single-handedly, using his office to create a stage for future conflict of interets.

it is good that you mention congo, which is setting a bad precedence for the peace and security East and central african region.
Even, where there have been so many noises about past and currents rifts within the EAC/EALA kenya and TZ have always resrained themselves from airing their dirty linen in public...
....the westerners are trying to use kikwete to completely widen the existing rifts and jitters within EAC...which has some consequences for example, which may favor the current interests tanzania may have.

*destabilzing investors confidence in EA region to increase investor activity in TZ
*it will be hypocritical if tanzanias president wants this to mature while at the same time having brokered peace between kibaki and raila regime.
*It is better that the ICC carry on prosecuting the accused, than for tz relishing for a stake in the cases.
*various critical questions must be asked, why were the former kibaki-raila regime reluctant in creating a local tribunal who was advising them? where were they getting their advises??
*why did ODM from the beggining sarbotage imanyaras initial motion of creating a local tribunal??
*were all these done in the interests of the PEV victims or at whose interests were being these being done??

some may say the cases and the affected IDPs were under ICC's jurisdictions, but they were and still are kenyan citizens. if it was for the interests of justice for the victims, why was the government then reluctunt to help them live a life of dignity until they be prepared to go to the hague?

Those are always the consequences of politics playing poker with situations that demand justice...if TZ wants to engage in this poker, well and good but it is always about the PEV victims.

 

[mwitaz]

The African Union (AU) now wants the Interhenational Criminal Court (ICC) cases against President Uhuru Kenyatta, his Deputy William Ruto and journalist Joshua arap Sang stopped until its application to have the cases brought back home is heard and determined.

The AU also wants the two Kenyan leaders allowed to choose which sessions they would like to attend owing to their constitutional responsibilities.

In a letter written to the ICC and copied to the United Nations Security Council on September 10, the AU argued that the court should first determine the referral application before commencing the cases.

“In addition, the prosecution has ignored several procedural requirements having the effect of eroding the principles on natural justice. The court’s attention has been drawn to this aspect on two occasions by its own judges,” read the letter signed by AU Chairperson Hailemariam Desalegn and by AU Commission Chairperson Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma.

“This leaves the African Union with no option but to ask that until the request of the AU is considered and clearly responded to, the cases should not proceed.”

The letter further made reference to an appeal that has been filed by ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda against allowing Ruto to attend part sessions arguing that the judges should not have forced the Deputy President to attend all the sessions before the appeal was determined.

“The Trial Chamber in its earlier decision had taken cognisance of the Deputy President’s constitutional responsibilities on which basis the court permitted him to attend only some sessions. On these grounds the court should have upheld its decision pending the determination of the Prosecutor’s appeal,” the letter goes on.

The AU also cited two high level security meetings slated for this month that Kenyatta would be unable to attend as a result of the ICC trial against Ruto.

“These meetings include the United Nations General Assembly High Level Segment scheduled for September 23 to 27 and the European Union facilitated conference scheduled for September 16 in Brussels,” read the letter.

“Participation in both conferences at the highest level is critical for Kenya in its trajectory and efforts towards peace and security both at the national and regional levels.”

The AU added that the trials would undermine Kenya’s role in the international arena insisting that they should not infringe on the responsibilities of the two Kenyan leaders.

“While Kenya has always cooperated and reiterated its commitment to continue cooperating with the court, it must do so in the context of its own constitutional requirements,” argued the AU.

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[mwitaz]

You are not following what is going on at ICC as well what is going in Tanzania.

Watch this space as the case is narrowed down to nothing!

 

[mwitaz]

Dr.Job, MAJIBU YAKO HAYA HAPA
Five African countries have written to the International Criminal Court to exempt Deputy President William Ruto from attending all hearings of his case in The Hague.


Tanzania, Burundi, Rwanda, Uganda and Eritrea want the court to allow Mr Ruto room to execute his constitutional duties. They also want to contest the interpretation of Article 63 of the Rome Statute, which disposes that ‘the accused shall be present during the trial.'


"The court has so far received requests from five African countries asking for leave to submit amicus curiae filings…the filings, if authorised, will present their views on the correct interpretation of the Rome Statute article 63," the court's spokesman, Mr Fadi El Abdallah, said Thursday.

The hearing of cases facing Mr Ruto and radio presenter Joshua Sang started on Tuesday, but was adjourned on Wednesday until next Tuesday after ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda said her witnesses were not ready.

Mr Sang and Mr Ruto face charges of murder, deportation or forcible transfer of population and persecution over the 2007/8 post-election violence that left 1,133 people dead and displaced 650,000 others.

SUSPENDED RULING

The applications follow Ms Bensouda's appeal against the Trial Chamber V(a) decision granting Mr Ruto leave to be away during the trial - except for specified hearings. The prosecutor argued that justice for the victims required the accused to be present in court throughout the trial.

The court then suspended the ruling pending the appeal.

"For the time being, Mr Ruto is requested to be present at all the hearings in his trial before Trial Chamber V (a), pending a final determination of the Appeals Chamber on the appeal against the excusal decision," Mr Abdallah said.

Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzania want the ICC to strike a balance between its jurisdiction and the responsibilities of those who occupy high office.

Rwanda, which is yet to ratify the Rome Statute, argued that its submissions will help the ICC clarify how people who hold high office will be treated while facing trial.

The country's Attorney General and Justice Minister Johnston Busingye said granting Mr Ruto his request would bolster the effectiveness of the court "by demonstrating that the court's framework can accommodate a flexible and pragmatic approach…in proceedings by those occupying high office within the court."

On Monday, Tanzania's Attorney General Fredrick Mwita said exempting the Deputy President from some of the hearings would enhance cooperation between the court and state parties.

Meanwhile, the witness who forced the court to adjourn was expected in The Hague yesterday. On Tuesday, Mr Ruto's lawyer Karim Khan challenged the prosecution to drop the charges for lack of evidence.

The same line was taken by lawyer Katwa Kigen for Mr Sang, who argued that there were major gaps in the prosecution case.

President Kenyatta's case is expected to start on November 13.

The charges against three other suspects - former head of Public Service Francis Muthaura, former Commissioner of Police Major-General Hussein Ali and former Cabinet minister Henry Kosgey - were dropped for lack of evidence last year.

REQUESTING A REFERRAL
Last evening government officials conversant with an initiative by African countries to put pressure on ICC over the Kenya cases said the African Union had written to the President of ICC, Judge Sang-Hyung Song, on the matter.

The letter alerts the ICC President on the decision of the 21st Ordinary Session of the Assembly of Heads of State and Government of AU requesting for a referral of the Kenya cases.



Source: African nations press William Ruto

 

[mwitaz]

Tanzania, Burundi, Rwanda, Uganda and Eritrea want the court to allow Mr Ruto room to execute his constitutional duties. They also want to contest the interpretation of Article 63 of the Rome Statute, which disposes that ‘the accused shall be present during the trial.'


"The court has so far received requests from five African countries asking for leave to submit amicus curiae filings…the filings, if authorised, will present their views on the correct interpretation of the Rome Statute article 63," the court's spokesman, Mr Fadi El Abdallah, said Thursday.

The hearing of cases facing Mr Ruto and radio presenter Joshua Sang started on Tuesday, but was adjourned on Wednesday until next Tuesday after ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda said her witnesses were not ready.

Mr Sang and Mr Ruto face charges of murder, deportation or forcible transfer of population and persecution over the 2007/8 post-election violence that left 1,133 people dead and displaced 650,000 others.

SUSPENDED RULING

The applications follow Ms Bensouda's appeal against the Trial Chamber V(a) decision granting Mr Ruto leave to be away during the trial - except for specified hearings. The prosecutor argued that justice for the victims required the accused to be present in court throughout the trial.

The court then suspended the ruling pending the appeal.

"For the time being, Mr Ruto is requested to be present at all the hearings in his trial before Trial Chamber V (a), pending a final determination of the Appeals Chamber on the appeal against the excusal decision," Mr Abdallah said.

Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzania want the ICC to strike a balance between its jurisdiction and the responsibilities of those who occupy high office.

Rwanda, which is yet to ratify the Rome Statute, argued that its submissions will help the ICC clarify how people who hold high office will be treated while facing trial.

The country's Attorney General and Justice Minister Johnston Busingye said granting Mr Ruto his request would bolster the effectiveness of the court "by demonstrating that the court's framework can accommodate a flexible and pragmatic approach…in proceedings by those occupying high office within the court."

On Monday, Tanzania's Attorney General Fredrick Mwita said exempting the Deputy President from some of the hearings would enhance cooperation between the court and state parties.

Meanwhile, the witness who forced the court to adjourn was expected in The Hague yesterday. On Tuesday, Mr Ruto's lawyer Karim Khan challenged the prosecution to drop the charges for lack of evidence.

The same line was taken by lawyer Katwa Kigen for Mr Sang, who argued that there were major gaps in the prosecution case.

President Kenyatta's case is expected to start on November 13.

The charges against three other suspects - former head of Public Service Francis Muthaura, former Commissioner of Police Major-General Hussein Ali and former Cabinet minister Henry Kosgey - were dropped for lack of evidence last year.

REQUESTING A REFERRAL
Last evening government officials conversant with an initiative by African countries to put pressure on ICC over the Kenya cases said the African Union had written to the President of ICC, Judge Sang-Hyung Song, on the matter.

The letter alerts the ICC President on the decision of the 21st Ordinary Session of the Assembly of Heads of State and Government of AU requesting for a referral of the Kenya cases.
Source: African nations press William Ruto

 

[Jammu Africa]

Tanzania, Burundi, Rwanda, Uganda and Eritrea want the court to allow Mr Ruto room to execute his constitutional duties. They also want to contest the interpretation of Article 63 of the Rome Statute, which disposes that ‘the accused shall be present during the trial.'


"The court has so far received requests from five African countries asking for leave to submit amicus curiae filings…the filings, if authorised, will present their views on the correct interpretation of the Rome Statute article 63," the court's spokesman, Mr Fadi El Abdallah, said Thursday.

The hearing of cases facing Mr Ruto and radio presenter Joshua Sang started on Tuesday, but was adjourned on Wednesday until next Tuesday after ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda said her witnesses were not ready.

Mr Sang and Mr Ruto face charges of murder, deportation or forcible transfer of population and persecution over the 2007/8 post-election violence that left 1,133 people dead and displaced 650,000 others.

SUSPENDED RULING

The applications follow Ms Bensouda's appeal against the Trial Chamber V(a) decision granting Mr Ruto leave to be away during the trial - except for specified hearings. The prosecutor argued that justice for the victims required the accused to be present in court throughout the trial.

The court then suspended the ruling pending the appeal.

"For the time being, Mr Ruto is requested to be present at all the hearings in his trial before Trial Chamber V (a), pending a final determination of the Appeals Chamber on the appeal against the excusal decision," Mr Abdallah said.

Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzania want the ICC to strike a balance between its jurisdiction and the responsibilities of those who occupy high office.

Rwanda, which is yet to ratify the Rome Statute, argued that its submissions will help the ICC clarify how people who hold high office will be treated while facing trial.

The country's Attorney General and Justice Minister Johnston Busingye said granting Mr Ruto his request would bolster the effectiveness of the court "by demonstrating that the court's framework can accommodate a flexible and pragmatic approach…in proceedings by those occupying high office within the court."

On Monday, Tanzania's Attorney General Fredrick Mwita said exempting the Deputy President from some of the hearings would enhance cooperation between the court and state parties.

Meanwhile, the witness who forced the court to adjourn was expected in The Hague yesterday. On Tuesday, Mr Ruto's lawyer Karim Khan challenged the prosecution to drop the charges for lack of evidence.

The same line was taken by lawyer Katwa Kigen for Mr Sang, who argued that there were major gaps in the prosecution case.

President Kenyatta's case is expected to start on November 13.

The charges against three other suspects - former head of Public Service Francis Muthaura, former Commissioner of Police Major-General Hussein Ali and former Cabinet minister Henry Kosgey - were dropped for lack of evidence last year.

REQUESTING A REFERRAL
Last evening government officials conversant with an initiative by African countries to put pressure on ICC over the Kenya cases said the African Union had written to the President of ICC, Judge Sang-Hyung Song, on the matter.

The letter alerts the ICC President on the decision of the 21st Ordinary Session of the Assembly of Heads of State and Government of AU requesting for a referral of the Kenya cases.
Source: African nations press William Ruto

Nice one,,mr Mwitaz,, why is it very difficult for some people,,,to understand or
try to pretend that,, they do not know what's happening???????

Everything is not going THAT well,,for all these who expected to see
THE COUNTRY KENYA and it's top leaders,,stripped naked in the ICC.

We told you many times,,that the case was political,,,,nothing like
looking for justice for any one,,,but a useless scheme to use
foreigners,,,,to get into power.

PANIC IN ICC AS 4 ICC WITNESSES REFUSE TO TAKE CALLS

DAILY POST: PANIC in ICC after four ICC witnesses REFUSE TO PICK CALLS ahead of RUTO/ SANG trials on TUESDAY

SHOCK TO BENSOUDA AS OMAR HASSAN REFUSES TO TESTIFY AND APOLOGIZES
TO UHURU and RUTO

DAILY POST: SHOCK to BENSOUDA as HASSAN OMAR refuses to testifyand apologises to UHURU/ RUTO for incriminating them

And the most interesting one,,is this Kenyan conman,,,witness number 4 who played the main roll
during confirmation of president Kenyatta's case.

REVEALING the SHOCKING DETAILS of UHURU KENYATTA's ICC case WITNESS 4 (MAINA KABUTU)

http://www.kenyan-post.com/2013/02/revealing-shocking-details-of-uhuru.html

Where there is smoke,,there must be fire,,as the saying goes,,,,,,,,,,,,these
fake witnesses had been coached,, something which will come out from
their own mouths,,,,for you cannot hide truth,,,forever.

I fear to see the disintegration of opposition in this country for
that is what will happen,,,liars will be known and no one will
want to be near them.

We know what happens in this country,, those few with
open minds and when that list of ICC suspect came up,,
it was shock to us.

But let continue watching what will be happening at Hague
but can assure you all,,that you are going to see,,pure
Kenyan dramas in the international scenes.

So those talking about,,sijui blood,,sijui Kikwete being
told what,,,,,wangojee kwani sinema,,inaendelea.

Sinema ambao mliotuletea,,,nyinyi,,,wenyewe.

 

[Zanzibar-Nyamwezi]

Why Uhuru Killed Saitoti? ???

 

[Dr. Job]

Dr Job,,,these are your own stories,,,made by you,,to deceive yourself.

Read what is above,,,,by the Attorney General of Tanzania and stop
living in a,,,,,,,

Dreamland.

Dr Job or whoever you maybe,,,,,wake up so
that you can,,,,live.

How can you be a judge in ,,,in this
forum.

How do you know that,,, Uhuru and Ruto,, are guilty.

Bensouda needs you so much,,,,that is why the case at
the Hague is,,being postponed,,,for the lack of,,witnesses and
you,,,,here saying,,sijui nini,,,,go and help her,,

Why waste time here,,go to the Hague and help put UhuRuto,,
behind bars.

Be a man and do,,what is,,necessary, go and present,,alllll the
evidence,,for it looks as if,,,,,

You have plenty.

Go address your fellow tribalistic ilk...there are plenty of them

 

[Dr. Job]

Dr.Job, MAJIBU YAKO HAYA HAPA
Five African countries have written to the International Criminal Court to exempt Deputy President William Ruto from attending all hearings of his case in The Hague.


Tanzania, Burundi, Rwanda, Uganda and Eritrea want the court to allow Mr Ruto room to execute his constitutional duties. They also want to contest the interpretation of Article 63 of the Rome Statute, which disposes that ‘the accused shall be present during the trial.'


"The court has so far received requests from five African countries asking for leave to submit amicus curiae filings…the filings, if authorised, will present their views on the correct interpretation of the Rome Statute article 63," the court's spokesman, Mr Fadi El Abdallah, said Thursday.

The hearing of cases facing Mr Ruto and radio presenter Joshua Sang started on Tuesday, but was adjourned on Wednesday until next Tuesday after ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda said her witnesses were not ready.

Mr Sang and Mr Ruto face charges of murder, deportation or forcible transfer of population and persecution over the 2007/8 post-election violence that left 1,133 people dead and displaced 650,000 others.

SUSPENDED RULING

The applications follow Ms Bensouda's appeal against the Trial Chamber V(a) decision granting Mr Ruto leave to be away during the trial - except for specified hearings. The prosecutor argued that justice for the victims required the accused to be present in court throughout the trial.

The court then suspended the ruling pending the appeal.

"For the time being, Mr Ruto is requested to be present at all the hearings in his trial before Trial Chamber V (a), pending a final determination of the Appeals Chamber on the appeal against the excusal decision," Mr Abdallah said.

Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzania want the ICC to strike a balance between its jurisdiction and the responsibilities of those who occupy high office.

Rwanda, which is yet to ratify the Rome Statute, argued that its submissions will help the ICC clarify how people who hold high office will be treated while facing trial.

The country's Attorney General and Justice Minister Johnston Busingye said granting Mr Ruto his request would bolster the effectiveness of the court "by demonstrating that the court's framework can accommodate a flexible and pragmatic approach…in proceedings by those occupying high office within the court."

On Monday, Tanzania's Attorney General Fredrick Mwita said exempting the Deputy President from some of the hearings would enhance cooperation between the court and state parties.

Meanwhile, the witness who forced the court to adjourn was expected in The Hague yesterday. On Tuesday, Mr Ruto's lawyer Karim Khan challenged the prosecution to drop the charges for lack of evidence.

The same line was taken by lawyer Katwa Kigen for Mr Sang, who argued that there were major gaps in the prosecution case.

President Kenyatta's case is expected to start on November 13.

The charges against three other suspects - former head of Public Service Francis Muthaura, former Commissioner of Police Major-General Hussein Ali and former Cabinet minister Henry Kosgey - were dropped for lack of evidence last year.

REQUESTING A REFERRAL
Last evening government officials conversant with an initiative by African countries to put pressure on ICC over the Kenya cases said the African Union had written to the President of ICC, Judge Sang-Hyung Song, on the matter.

The letter alerts the ICC President on the decision of the 21st Ordinary Session of the Assembly of Heads of State and Government of AU requesting for a referral of the Kenya cases.



Source: African nations press William Ruto

What difference will it make?..whether they rave and rant, the cases are still ongoing at the ICC.

 

[Dr. Job]

it would be a disaster for kikwete to accept the trials of the uhuru and ruto on his soil. already there is an arusha based court for ICTR trying perpatrators of the rwandan genocide...this was a mistake for an african country to try criminals on behalf of the International crimes tribunal
if he does, he will single-handedly, using his office to create a stage for future conflict of interets.

it is good that you mention congo, which is setting a bad precedence for the peace and security East and central african region.
Even, where there have been so many noises about past and currents rifts within the EAC/EALA kenya and TZ have always resrained themselves from airing their dirty linen in public...
....the westerners are trying to use kikwete to completely widen the existing rifts and jitters within EAC...which has some consequences for example, which may favor the current interests tanzania may have.

*destabilzing investors confidence in EA region to increase investor activity in TZ
*it will be hypocritical if tanzanias president wants this to mature while at the same time having brokered peace between kibaki and raila regime.
*It is better that the ICC carry on prosecuting the accused, than for tz relishing for a stake in the cases.
*various critical questions must be asked, why were the former kibaki-raila regime reluctant in creating a local tribunal who was advising them? where were they getting their advises??
*why did ODM from the beggining sarbotage imanyaras initial motion of creating a local tribunal??
*were all these done in the interests of the PEV victims or at whose interests were being these being done??

some may say the cases and the affected IDPs were under ICC's jurisdictions, but they were and still are kenyan citizens. if it was for the interests of justice for the victims, why was the government then reluctunt to help them live a life of dignity until they be prepared to go to the hague?

Those are always the consequences of politics playing poker with situations that demand justice...if TZ wants to engage in this poker, well and good but it is always about the PEV victims.

Edzeame,

You raise some good points in your piece but I would like to slightly differ on the notion that the westerners are trying to use Kikwete to completely widen the existing rifts and jitters within EAC. From your take, it seems the rifts already exist and I postulate, what caused them?

It is obvious that Uhuru is ganging up with Museveni and Kagame (men of questionable characters who as a matter of fact should be at Den Hague for atrocities against their own people) against Kikwete/Tanzania. Reasons are beknownst to either party. Word in the grapevine is that Uhuru felt snubbed when Kikwete refused to play ball and hand over the ICC suspects who were haboured in Tanzania. Couple that with the fact that the Tanzanian people (citizens and not politicians) want nothing to do with kenyans who they do not trust since the days of Jomo Kenyatta.

So to me this is local tiff and the 'Westerners' have nothing to do with it.

Then this: why were the former kibaki-raila regime reluctant in creating a local tribunal who was advising them? where were they getting their advises??. To this I will say that, both Kibaki and Raila are on record advocating for a local tribunal but it is the Mpigs led by Uhuru and Ruto who were shouting themselves hoarse "Don't be vague, go to Hague".
Then Ruto himself said this:

Ruto: Why I prefer the Hague route.

By Nation News Team, Saturday, February 21, 2009

Agriculture minister William Ruto wants the secret envelope containing names of the post-election violence suspects handed over to the International Criminal Court at The Hague without further delay.

Mr Ruto says the two-month period given by former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan to Kenya to make a new attempt at setting up a local tribunal to try the suspects was unnecessary.

Ruto: Why I prefer The Hague route

I appreciate your time.

 

[Edzeame]

Edzeame,

You raise some good points in your piece but I would like to slightly differ on the notion that the westerners are trying to use Kikwete to completely widen the existing rifts and jitters within EAC. From your take, it seems the rifts already exist and I postulate, what caused them?

It is obvious that Uhuru is ganging up with Museveni and Kagame (men of questionable characters who as a matter of fact should be at Den Hague for atrocities against their own people) against Kikwete/Tanzania. Reasons are beknownst to either party. Word in the grapevine is that Uhuru felt snubbed when Kikwete refused to play ball and hand over the ICC suspects who were haboured in Tanzania. Couple that with the fact that the Tanzanian people (citizens and not politicians) want nothing to do with kenyans who they do not trust since the days of Jomo Kenyatta.

So to me this is local tiff and the 'Westerners' have nothing to do with it.

Then this: why were the former kibaki-raila regime reluctant in creating a local tribunal who was advising them? where were they getting their advises??. To this I will say that, both Kibaki and Raila are on record advocating for a local tribunal but it is the Mpigs led by Uhuru and Ruto who were shouting themselves hoarse "Don't be vague, go to Hague".
Then Ruto himself said this:

Ruto: Why I prefer the Hague route.

By Nation News Team, Saturday, February 21, 2009

Agriculture minister William Ruto wants the secret envelope containing names of the post-election violence suspects handed over to the International Criminal Court at The Hague without further delay.

Mr Ruto says the two-month period given by former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan to Kenya to make a new attempt at setting up a local tribunal to try the suspects was unnecessary.

Ruto: Why I prefer The Hague route

I appreciate your time.

The Westerner wants to tilt the case in favor of the prosecution OTP, not forgetting the 'choices have consequences' pronouncements by johnie carson, which kenyans ironically chose the unfriendly duo. It is an open secret that the west is in a dilemma and jonnie carson is left frothing from the mouth. let us conclude in fair terms that with such existing interests, the cases will be prejudiced not being fair to the accused.

this pair was democratically elected by kenyan people and the OTP now finds itself entangled in a mess of prosecuting the pair and at the same time the constitution of kenya thas found itself inside dock at the ICC on trial.

many things that are irrelevant to the case at the ICC including mentioning of private/media entreprises that are owned by men tribally linked to the president are also on the ICC dock

If a referundum on the ICC is called today, it find itself rejected 100% by a majority of kenyan pple. that is why CORD has to plead with uhuru not sign the motion of withdrwaing form the ICC

practically, I will commend kagame and museveni for squeezing kikwete towards the negotiating table, not that he should take advantage of the current situation of the circumstances to brew conflict in DRC.

is like saying they are telling him

KIKWETE AND TZ we are keenly watching you!!

 

[Dr. Job]

The Westerner wants to tilt the case in favor of the prosecution OTP, not forgetting the 'choices have consequences' pronouncements by johnie carson, which kenyans ironically chose the unfriendly duo. It is an open secret that the west is in a dilemma and jonnie carson is left frothing from the mouth. let us conclude in fair terms that with such existing interests, the cases will be prejudiced not being fair to the accused.

This thing of blaming 'the westerner' for problems created by locals will not wash. It has become an old record that is stuck on one point. That is the same mantra that the Uhuruto team was yapping about ever since the day they realised their names were the main cog in this drama of a wheel. So lets find something else to say other than blaming the west. The evidence against Ruto at the ICC came from non other than the NSIS under Kibaki with Uhuru cheerleading. Ruto is now having a rude awakening at the Hague knowing very well his goose is cooked. All the bravado is gone if you watched him speak the other day. A visibly shaken William Ruto today appreciated the magnitude of this witness-intimidation matter and how it adversely affects his prospects; but his attempt to verbally reassure the court of full cooperation fell flat. His body language betrayed his deep-down intent.at The Hague!

I practically, I will commend kagame and museveni for squeezing kikwete towards the negotiating table, not that he should take advantage of the current situation of the circumstances to brew conflict in DRC.

is like saying they are telling him

KIKWETE AND TZ we are keenly watching you!!

Then this bit does not making any sense whatsover and I may wish that you clarify. I dont see the part where they are squeezing President Kikwete to use your words. Tanzania has decided to go a different route from dictators and murderers like Museveni and Kagame. So if they are watching the Tanzanian President then what? That is a soverign country for all they care. They dont need Museveni or Kagame or Uhuru Kenyatta to validate their sovereignity to say the least.

 

[mwitaz]

AU leaders to discuss whether to pull continent out of the ICC

African leaders will meet in the Ethiopian capital on October 13 to take a common stand on whether to join Kenya's planned pull-out from the International Criminal Court ( ICC) over the prosecution of its leaders, officials said on Thursday.

So far there does not seem to be much support for it, but heads of state from the 54-member African Union ( AU) may still discuss the possibility of a pull-out by the 34 African signatories to the Rome Statute that created the tribunal.

Last week's start of the trial of Kenyan Deputy President William Samoei Ruto for crimes against humanity - with President Uhuru Kenyatta's trial due in November - has fuelled a growing backlash against the Hague-based court from some African governments, which see it as a tool of Western powers.

"The Kenyans have been criss-crossing Africa in search of support for their cause, even before their parliament voted to withdraw from the ICC," an AU official told Reuters. "An extraordinary summit will now take place to discuss the issue.

A complete walk-out of signatories (to the Rome Statute) is certainly a possibility, but other requests may be made."

The summit would be preceded by a meeting of African foreign ministers a day earlier, he said.

Kenya's spokesman for the presidency Manoah Esipisu said the country had not canvassed for the summit, but "welcomed the opportunity by African leaders to discuss what is obviously an important matter for the continent".

ICC prosecutors have accused Kenyatta and Ruto, alongside radio journalist Joshua arap Sang, of fomenting ethnic violence that killed about 1,300 people after a disputed election in December 2007.

The three suspects deny the charges. Some neighbours of East Africa's biggest economy have petitioned the ICC alongside Ruto's lawyers for him to be excused from attending all ICC hearings.

A diplomat at the African Union said Kenya may ask that Kenyatta and Ruto not to attend the entire trial. "There is a belief shared by the Kenyans and African states that the leaders appearing in the trials risks destabilising the country," said the diplomat who declined to be named.

grudge against the ICC

In May, the AU backed a request by Kenya for the trials to be referred back to Kenya, on the ground that the ICC hearings risked raising ethnic tensions and destabilising its economy.

Officials from some of the AU's biggest member states told Reuters their governments had no plans so far to leave the ICC. "We are far from that sort of position. There is a big if," said South African Foreign Ministry spokesman Clayson Monyela when asked if there were plans for a walk-out. Nurudeen Muhammed, Nigeria's minister of state of foreign affairs, said the continent's leading oil-producer had no "grudge against the ICC".

"Kenya ... has its own reasons because the country's president and vice president were both indicted by ICC," he told Reuters in an interview. Zambia's foreign affairs minister, Wylbur Simusa, said Lusaka would want to study the issue more thoroughly before commenting, adding "as for now we still remain part of the ICC."

-Reuters