The Chinese did not come here on charity: We’ll pay through the nose

[Ab-Titchaz]

The Chinese did not come here on charity: We’ll pay through the nose

President Uhuru Kenyatta (right) shakes hands with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang at State House in Nairobi May 10, 2014 after addressing journalists. PHOTO | EVANS HABIL NATION MEDIA GROUP

By Macharia Gaitho

[h=3]In Summary[/h]

• If we rightly are fed-up with neo-colonialism, we would be foolish to exchange one exploitative relationship for another.
• If President Kenyatta thinks that Chinese aid does not come with strings attached, let him try, tomorrow, inviting the Dalai Lama to Kenya, or sending an envoy to Taiwan.

I saw plenty of starry-eyed faces as Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang came calling with his bag of goodies.

President Kenyatta and his band looked rather like love-struck teenagers smitten with the fabled celeb from the neighbouring housing estate lavishing them with attention.

No doubt the billions doled-out by the kind man from the East could go a long way towards making key development projects a reality.

Nearly a half trillion shillings committed to various projects, with the new Mombasa-Nairobi railway as the centerpiece, is a stupendous investment by any means, and that’s before adding up the billions more signed on the Ethiopian, Angolan and Nigerian legs of the tour.

No doubt the Chinese largesse will have Western nations, which previously dominated trade and aid with Africa, looking on with envy.

At the State House ceremony on Sunday, President Kenyatta and Uganda’s President Yoweri Museveni pointedly took digs at the West while heaping praise on the Chinese visitors.

READ: Kenya, China sign standard gauge railway agreement

READ: KAGWANJA: Why China’s ‘soft power’ approach appeals to Kenya

President Kenyatta likened the ageing Kenya-Uganda railway to a colonial imposition meant to ease exploitation of East Africa; and the new standard gauge railway line to be financed, and built, by the Chinese as a stellar example of partnership.

Taking the cue, President Museveni lauded the Chinese for focusing on real development assistance rather than lecturing Africans on their internal affairs.

Both leaders are fed up with Western finger-wagging for their failings on matters such as good governance, democracy, corruption and human rights. They could not resist the temptation to let the West know it no longer has the leverage to apply pressure on such issues because Chinese aid will not come with such strings attached.

The message is that African leaders now have licence to oppress their people, clean their national treasuries; and generally rob, loot, rape and plunder because their new masters will not hold them to account on how well or how badly they treat their subjects.

READ: Kenya signs 17 multi-billion deals with China

What President Kenyatta and his counterparts across Africa should realise, however, is that they can only play the China card for so long.

Chinese aid is welcome and invaluable to our development, but we should look East with wise and open eyes, not like foolish virgins who don’t realise that the rich fellow bearing gifts is not a kind-hearted philanthropist. He will always want something in return.

By all means let us build on relations with China, but do so in ways that advance our national interests rather than just opening ourselves up to exploitation.

If we rightly are fed-up with neo-colonialism, we would be foolish to exchange one exploitative relationship for another.

There’s a lot to gain from China, but we must realise that the rich men from the East are here to expand their geopolitical tentacles, and need us as much as we need them.

Therefore we should be able to bargain hard to secure what we need rather than just opening up in total submission.

President Kenyatta must not for a moment forget that it is not free cash he is getting from China, but loans that massively increase our foreign debt exposure and which we all, and our children, will be paying for generations.

That Chinese money does not mean that procurement laws designed to protect Kenyans from thieves must be thrown out of the window.

Nor does it mean that quality, standards and oversight on the projects must be left exclusively to the vendors and contractors.

And if President Kenyatta thinks that Chinese aid does not come with strings attached, let him try, tomorrow, inviting the Dalai Lama to Kenya, or sending an envoy to Taiwan.

* * * *
After the weekend massacre from poisonous liquor, we must acknowledge that the so-called Mututho Laws have failed.

What I can’t understand is why it is the chief executive of Nacada who was sent home, instead of the chairman John Mutotho, who long ago usurped executive functions.

But then the latter is a favoured political appointee who got the job despite the fact that the law disqualifies him from public office while facing criminal prosecution.


mgaitho@ke.nationmedia.com & Twitter: @MachariaGaitho

The Chinese did not come here on charity: We’ll pay through the nose - Opinion - nation.co.ke

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

China deals baloon Kenya's debt

PEN TO PAPER: Rwanda President Paul Kagame, Chinese PM Li Keqiang, President Uhuru Kenyatta, Uganda's Yoweri Museveni and South Sudan's Salva Kiir witness the signing of the Standard Gauge Railway agreement at State House Nairobi yesterday.

Monday, May 12, 2014 - 00:00 -- BY OLIVER MATHENGE AND SAM KIPLAGAT

KENYA'S debts are set to increase substantially following this weekend's deal signed with China following a state visit by the Asian country's Premier.

Yesterday, the two countries signed two agreements where Exim Bank of China will provide 90 per cent of the $ 3.8 billion (Sh314.2 billion) for the Standard Gauge Railway. The Sh282 billion loan from the Chinese is more than a fifth of Kenya's annual budget and Sh56 billion more than what has been allocated to the 47 counties in the next financial year.

According to the deal which was signed at State House, Kenya will provide the remaining 10 percent of the construction of the railway which starts in October. Documents seen by the Star show that China has previously given Kenya Sh165.5 billion - 146.8 billion as loans and Sh18.6 as grants.

During this visit by Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang the two countries also agreed on a concessional loan of Sh8.84 billion for the Nairobi 132 KV and 66 KV network upgrade reinforcement phase II project. This will see which will see the Chinese Government provide support to increase supply of electricity in the Capital.

Kenya will also receive an interest-free loan of Sh2 billion under the Economic and Technical Cooperation Agreements and a grant of a similar amount.

Previously, Kenya had received Sh1 billion as interest-free loans and Sh1.3 billion as grants under the same category. President Uhuru Kenyatta and Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang, and three regional heads of state witnessed the deal being inked. Uganda's President Yoweri Museveni, President Paul Kagame of Rwanda, President Salva Kiir of South Sudan and Deputy President William Ruto were present.

In March the IMF and World Bank said that Kenya must find alternative means of financing its new infrastructure away from loans with public debt having tripled in the last 10 years. Kenya's debt load crossed the 50 per cent of GDP mark late last year to stand at Sh2.11 trillion or 57 per cent of GDP by end of December 2013.

On Saturday, Kenya has signed 17 multi-billion shilling deals aimed to jump-start different sectors of the economy and finance development projects.

Among the deals include one on economic and technical co-operation that will see Kenya benefit from multi-billion-shilling grants and interest-free loans from the government of China. The deals include setting up of a Sh170 billion China Africa Development Bank, Sh5.1billion China Africa research Centre and Sh880 million wildlife fund.

One of the criticisms on the Kenya-China relations is that trade highly favours the Asian country. Kenya's imports from China come to about Sh270 billion, its exports amount to Sh4.2 billion. But the government has over the last couple of years insisted on trading with the East and reducing engagement with traditional trade partners like US and Europe.

Treasury CS henry Rotich and President of China EXIM Bank, Li Ruogu signed the deal for the financing of the SGR. The contractor agreed to assist in facilitating a government-to-government arrangement, supported by concessional loans from the Bank.

A fuel levy of 1.5 percent on cost of all imports in expected to raise Sh15 billion in the 2013/14.

"The Kenya-Uganda Railway was built by a colonial power that sought to dominate East Africa's coast and interior. This is not mere conjecture, but the admission of the builders themselves: they had seized a colony, they had to hold it and make it pay for its own domination. And so the Lunatic Express, as it was later to become known, took shape," said Uhuru.

East African Transport Ministers signed the protocol on development and operation of the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) within the framework of the Northern Corridor Integration projects. South Sudan's Transport, Roads and Bridges Minister Koug Danhier Gatluak, Uganda's Minister of State for Works and Transport John Byabagambi, Rwanda's Infrastructure Minister Silas Lwakakamba and Kenya's Transport Minister Michael Kamau appended their signature on the protocol.

The deal was signed amid complains over the cost of the project and lack of transparency. Economist David Ndii told a public forum recently that it was wrong for the government to proceed with the construction without public participation.

Being the single largest public project, wananchi should have been consulted as required by the constitution, he said. He also wondered what will happen to the other half of the railway line, from Nairobi to Malaba.

Activist Okiya Omtatah, the Law Society of Kenya and the Dock Workers Union have challenged the SGR in court. In his court papers, Omtatah accuses the government for lack of due diligence. He says the government failed to independently carry out both a feasibility study and design of the project before seeking contractors to implement it.

The government has defended the deal saying the SGR will provide efficient, reliable, safe and cost effective rail transport for both freight and passenger and passengers. The completion of the project will significantly reduce the cost of transport hence the cost of doing business translating into making Kenya a competitive Investment destination, argued Transport CS Kamau.

China Road and Bridge Corporation will undertake the design and construction of the Class 1 Chinese Standard line, which requires robust and low maintenance cost. The Standard Gauge Railway is aimed at providing efficient and cost effective rail transport for both freight and passengers. It is intended to reduce the cost of doing business by reducing the cost of transport, a move that will see Kenya become a competitive business hub for the East African region and beyond. Passenger trains will have a speed of 120 kilometers per hour while those for freight will be designed to move at 80 kilometers an hour.

China deals baloon Kenya's debt | The Star

 

[Koborer]

The Chinese did not come here on charity: We'll pay through the nose

President Uhuru Kenyatta (right) shakes hands with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang at State House in Nairobi May 10, 2014 after addressing journalists. PHOTO | EVANS HABIL NATION MEDIA GROUP

By Macharia Gaitho

In Summary

• If we rightly are fed-up with neo-colonialism, we would be foolish to exchange one exploitative relationship for another.
• If President Kenyatta thinks that Chinese aid does not come with strings attached, let him try, tomorrow, inviting the Dalai Lama to Kenya, or sending an envoy to Taiwan.

I saw plenty of starry-eyed faces as Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang came calling with his bag of goodies.

President Kenyatta and his band looked rather like love-struck teenagers smitten with the fabled celeb from the neighbouring housing estate lavishing them with attention.

No doubt the billions doled-out by the kind man from the East could go a long way towards making key development projects a reality.

Nearly a half trillion shillings committed to various projects, with the new Mombasa-Nairobi railway as the centerpiece, is a stupendous investment by any means, and that's before adding up the billions more signed on the Ethiopian, Angolan and Nigerian legs of the tour.

No doubt the Chinese largesse will have Western nations, which previously dominated trade and aid with Africa, looking on with envy.

At the State House ceremony on Sunday, President Kenyatta and Uganda's President Yoweri Museveni pointedly took digs at the West while heaping praise on the Chinese visitors.

READ: Kenya, China sign standard gauge railway agreement

READ: KAGWANJA: Why China's ‘soft power' approach appeals to Kenya

President Kenyatta likened the ageing Kenya-Uganda railway to a colonial imposition meant to ease exploitation of East Africa; and the new standard gauge railway line to be financed, and built, by the Chinese as a stellar example of partnership.

Taking the cue, President Museveni lauded the Chinese for focusing on real development assistance rather than lecturing Africans on their internal affairs.

Both leaders are fed up with Western finger-wagging for their failings on matters such as good governance, democracy, corruption and human rights. They could not resist the temptation to let the West know it no longer has the leverage to apply pressure on such issues because Chinese aid will not come with such strings attached.

The message is that African leaders now have licence to oppress their people, clean their national treasuries; and generally rob, loot, rape and plunder because their new masters will not hold them to account on how well or how badly they treat their subjects.

READ: Kenya signs 17 multi-billion deals with China

What President Kenyatta and his counterparts across Africa should realise, however, is that they can only play the China card for so long.

Chinese aid is welcome and invaluable to our development, but we should look East with wise and open eyes, not like foolish virgins who don't realise that the rich fellow bearing gifts is not a kind-hearted philanthropist. He will always want something in return.

By all means let us build on relations with China, but do so in ways that advance our national interests rather than just opening ourselves up to exploitation.

If we rightly are fed-up with neo-colonialism, we would be foolish to exchange one exploitative relationship for another.

There's a lot to gain from China, but we must realise that the rich men from the East are here to expand their geopolitical tentacles, and need us as much as we need them.

Therefore we should be able to bargain hard to secure what we need rather than just opening up in total submission.

President Kenyatta must not for a moment forget that it is not free cash he is getting from China, but loans that massively increase our foreign debt exposure and which we all, and our children, will be paying for generations.

That Chinese money does not mean that procurement laws designed to protect Kenyans from thieves must be thrown out of the window.

Nor does it mean that quality, standards and oversight on the projects must be left exclusively to the vendors and contractors.

And if President Kenyatta thinks that Chinese aid does not come with strings attached, let him try, tomorrow, inviting the Dalai Lama to Kenya, or sending an envoy to Taiwan.

* * * *
After the weekend massacre from poisonous liquor, we must acknowledge that the so-called Mututho Laws have failed.

What I can't understand is why it is the chief executive of Nacada who was sent home, instead of the chairman John Mutotho, who long ago usurped executive functions.

But then the latter is a favoured political appointee who got the job despite the fact that the law disqualifies him from public office while facing criminal prosecution.


mgaitho@ke.nationmedia.com & Twitter: @MachariaGaitho

The Chinese did not come here on charity: We’ll pay through the nose - Opinion - nation.co.ke

This is true, but it is also true that if these funds are used well then the country will take such a huge leap in its development history. It all boils down to how the funds are handled and whether we have the right people to steer the development agenda as opposed to greed that we are used to so often.

 

[Koborer]

China deals baloon Kenya's debt

PEN TO PAPER: Rwanda President Paul Kagame, Chinese PM Li Keqiang, President Uhuru Kenyatta, Uganda's Yoweri Museveni and South Sudan's Salva Kiir witness the signing of the Standard Gauge Railway agreement at State House Nairobi yesterday.

Monday, May 12, 2014 - 00:00 -- BY OLIVER MATHENGE AND SAM KIPLAGAT

KENYA'S debts are set to increase substantially following this weekend's deal signed with China following a state visit by the Asian country's Premier.

Yesterday, the two countries signed two agreements where Exim Bank of China will provide 90 per cent of the $ 3.8 billion (Sh314.2 billion) for the Standard Gauge Railway. The Sh282 billion loan from the Chinese is more than a fifth of Kenya's annual budget and Sh56 billion more than what has been allocated to the 47 counties in the next financial year.

According to the deal which was signed at State House, Kenya will provide the remaining 10 percent of the construction of the railway which starts in October. Documents seen by the Star show that China has previously given Kenya Sh165.5 billion - 146.8 billion as loans and Sh18.6 as grants.

During this visit by Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang the two countries also agreed on a concessional loan of Sh8.84 billion for the Nairobi 132 KV and 66 KV network upgrade reinforcement phase II project. This will see which will see the Chinese Government provide support to increase supply of electricity in the Capital.

Kenya will also receive an interest-free loan of Sh2 billion under the Economic and Technical Cooperation Agreements and a grant of a similar amount.

Previously, Kenya had received Sh1 billion as interest-free loans and Sh1.3 billion as grants under the same category. President Uhuru Kenyatta and Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang, and three regional heads of state witnessed the deal being inked. Uganda's President Yoweri Museveni, President Paul Kagame of Rwanda, President Salva Kiir of South Sudan and Deputy President William Ruto were present.

In March the IMF and World Bank said that Kenya must find alternative means of financing its new infrastructure away from loans with public debt having tripled in the last 10 years. Kenya's debt load crossed the 50 per cent of GDP mark late last year to stand at Sh2.11 trillion or 57 per cent of GDP by end of December 2013.

On Saturday, Kenya has signed 17 multi-billion shilling deals aimed to jump-start different sectors of the economy and finance development projects.

Among the deals include one on economic and technical co-operation that will see Kenya benefit from multi-billion-shilling grants and interest-free loans from the government of China. The deals include setting up of a Sh170 billion China Africa Development Bank, Sh5.1billion China Africa research Centre and Sh880 million wildlife fund.

One of the criticisms on the Kenya-China relations is that trade highly favours the Asian country. Kenya's imports from China come to about Sh270 billion, its exports amount to Sh4.2 billion. But the government has over the last couple of years insisted on trading with the East and reducing engagement with traditional trade partners like US and Europe.

Treasury CS henry Rotich and President of China EXIM Bank, Li Ruogu signed the deal for the financing of the SGR. The contractor agreed to assist in facilitating a government-to-government arrangement, supported by concessional loans from the Bank.

A fuel levy of 1.5 percent on cost of all imports in expected to raise Sh15 billion in the 2013/14.

"The Kenya-Uganda Railway was built by a colonial power that sought to dominate East Africa's coast and interior. This is not mere conjecture, but the admission of the builders themselves: they had seized a colony, they had to hold it and make it pay for its own domination. And so the Lunatic Express, as it was later to become known, took shape," said Uhuru.

East African Transport Ministers signed the protocol on development and operation of the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) within the framework of the Northern Corridor Integration projects. South Sudan's Transport, Roads and Bridges Minister Koug Danhier Gatluak, Uganda's Minister of State for Works and Transport John Byabagambi, Rwanda's Infrastructure Minister Silas Lwakakamba and Kenya's Transport Minister Michael Kamau appended their signature on the protocol.

The deal was signed amid complains over the cost of the project and lack of transparency. Economist David Ndii told a public forum recently that it was wrong for the government to proceed with the construction without public participation.

Being the single largest public project, wananchi should have been consulted as required by the constitution, he said. He also wondered what will happen to the other half of the railway line, from Nairobi to Malaba.

Activist Okiya Omtatah, the Law Society of Kenya and the Dock Workers Union have challenged the SGR in court. In his court papers, Omtatah accuses the government for lack of due diligence. He says the government failed to independently carry out both a feasibility study and design of the project before seeking contractors to implement it.

The government has defended the deal saying the SGR will provide efficient, reliable, safe and cost effective rail transport for both freight and passenger and passengers. The completion of the project will significantly reduce the cost of transport hence the cost of doing business translating into making Kenya a competitive Investment destination, argued Transport CS Kamau.

China Road and Bridge Corporation will undertake the design and construction of the Class 1 Chinese Standard line, which requires robust and low maintenance cost. The Standard Gauge Railway is aimed at providing efficient and cost effective rail transport for both freight and passengers. It is intended to reduce the cost of doing business by reducing the cost of transport, a move that will see Kenya become a competitive business hub for the East African region and beyond. Passenger trains will have a speed of 120 kilometers per hour while those for freight will be designed to move at 80 kilometers an hour.

China deals baloon Kenya's debt | The Star

I just hope that we can use the funds well to inspur growth hence have something to redress the ballooning debt.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

I just hope that we can use the funds well to inspur growth hence have something to redress the ballooning debt.

Stuff like this is what scares me about this new found relationship...

 

[Mekatilili]

Stuff like this is what scares me about this new found relationship...

From an economic perspective, the borrowing really does not matter. It is the spending; the usage of the borrowed funds that matters. As long as the funds are put to good use: to modernize the existing infrastructure, to build more schools, for electrification programs, to lay the foundation for economic takeoff! As long as the funds are used to spur growth, in prudent, logical and objective manner, we have nothing to worry about.

As a percentage of the GDP, Kenya's debt is manageable. Kenya needs a growth budget and they should be spending money! Kenya should be investing no less than $5 billion dollars yearly on expanding her infrastructure: new roads, new bridges, new airports, new railways, and in less than 5 years, the country will emerge.

The multiplier effect of such an investment in inexplicable! It is what only the Gulf states have the courage to undertake. Yes Kenya has the resources to match that investment.

The big question is, can we trust the current regime?

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

From an economic perspective, the borrowing really does not matter. It is the spending; the usage of the borrowed funds that matters. As long as the funds are put to good use: to modernize the existing infrastructure, to build more schools, for electrification programs, to lay the foundation for economic takeoff! As long as the funds are used to spur growth, in prudent, logical and objective manner, we have nothing to worry about.

As a percentage of the GDP, Kenya's debt is manageable. Kenya needs a growth budget and they should be spending money! Kenya should be investing no less than $5 billion dollars yearly on expanding her infrastructure: new roads, new bridges, new airports, new railways, and in less than 5 years, the country will emerge.

The multiplier effect of such an investment in inexplicable! It is what only the Gulf states have the courage to undertake. Yes Kenya has the resources to match that investment.

The big question is, can we trust the current regime?

Got what you are saying but at the same time I cant trust this regime...not with the thing Im seeing
when it comes to appointments. Kiswahili tunasema, watu wanakaa mkao wa kula tu.

50/50 deal with URP is as dead as a dodo...and then the rest of the Kenyans wanakula zilch!

 

[Geza Ulole]

the fun thing the likes of waltham and lawmaina78 do not care

 

[Mekatilili]

the fun thing the likes of waltham and lawmaina78 do not care

Sorry but you are not in a position to comment on these issues. You need to be scouring the web for pictures.

 

[waltham]

the fun thing the likes of waltham and lawmaina78 do not care

mr. know it all.what abt if you loved your home land the way you love kenya and care.what an irony in showing love.
[h=1]Alarm over record rise in national debt Tanzania[/h]The report indicates that the external debt stood at Sh15.43 trillion in the same financial year, up from 12.43 trillion in 2011/ 2012 financial year.

"The ballooning national debt was contributed by loans acquired from various financial institutions and external donors in a bid to implement gigantic development projects including those of infrastructure, water, communication and many others," said Mr Utouh.

 

[Geza Ulole]

mr. know it all.what abt if you loved your home land the way you love kenya and care.what an irony in showing love.
Alarm over record rise in national debt Tanzania

The report indicates that the external debt stood at Sh15.43 trillion in the same financial year, up from 12.43 trillion in 2011/ 2012 financial year.

"The ballooning national debt was contributed by loans acquired from various financial institutions and external donors in a bid to implement gigantic development projects including those of infrastructure, water, communication and many others," said Mr Utouh.

My friend, Kenya is worse than that!

 

[Kimweri]

mr. know it all.what abt if you loved your home land the way you love kenya and care.what an irony in showing love.
Alarm over record rise in national debt Tanzania

The report indicates that the external debt stood at Sh15.43 trillion in the same financial year, up from 12.43 trillion in 2011/ 2012 financial year.

"The ballooning national debt was contributed by loans acquired from various financial institutions and external donors in a bid to implement gigantic development projects including those of infrastructure, water, communication and many others," said Mr Utouh.

when a Kenyan News is being brought forward for discussion, just keep it Kenyan, referencing Tanzania status will only draw commentary of Tanzanians to the contrary, which will ire Kenyans, and then you end up complaining about Us intigating Tanznaian matters in Kenyan's affairs, Gezaulole was simply indicating Kenyans should care more about these thing, no where in his comment did he mention anything about TZ until you brought up TZ stats.

This is a Tanzanian, forum, we discuss everything about TZ in other forums, it wont do Kenyans any justice if you keep recycling what is getting dissected by our politicians in the politics forum to a Kenyan subforum. You will not get any quality analysis, and it will only end up in you guys lamenting Tanzanians flooding your subforum.

 

[Mekatilili]

when a Kenyan News is being brought forward for discussion, just keep it Kenyan, referencing Tanzania status will only draw commentary of Tanzanians to the contrary, which will ire Kenyans, and then you end up complaining about Us intigating Tanznaian matters in Kenyan's affairs, Gezaulole was simply indicating Kenyans should care more about these thing, no where in his comment did he mention anything about TZ until you brought up TZ stats.

This is a Tanzanian, forum, we discuss everything about TZ in other forums, it wont do Kenyans any justice if you keep recycling what is getting dissected by our politicians in the politics forum to a Kenyan subforum. You will not get any quality analysis, and it will only end up in you guys lamenting Tanzanians flooding your subforum.

Kimweri is an angry man on a warpath. I suspect he took the day off from work to teach those Kenyans a lesson. Dude you are clearly obsessed with Kenyans. 🙂

I can tell you are very excited and this is the most important thing for you, a conversation with Kenyans.

 

[waltham]

when a Kenyan News is being brought forward for discussion, just keep it Kenyan, referencing Tanzania status will only draw commentary of Tanzanians to the contrary, which will ire Kenyans, and then you end up complaining about Us intigating Tanznaian matters in Kenyan's affairs, Gezaulole was simply indicating Kenyans should care more about these thing, no where in his comment did he mention anything about TZ until you brought up TZ stats.

This is a Tanzanian, forum, we discuss everything about TZ in other forums, it wont do Kenyans any justice if you keep recycling what is getting dissected by our politicians in the politics forum to a Kenyan subforum. You will not get any quality analysis, and it will only end up in you guys lamenting Tanzanians flooding your subforum.

can you listen to yourself mr loud mouth. you foam and pant abt kenya all your life here in JF you dont have time for your equally poor dirt tz. can you bring Tz issues here we discuss and leave your xenophobic mind aside.

 

[Kimweri]

can you listen to yourself mr loud mouth. you foam and pant abt kenya all your life here in JF you dont have time for your equally poor dirt tz. can you bring Tz issues here we discuss and leave your xenophobic mind aside.

Calling Tanzania Poor is like calling kettle black, no information here, it's just plain noise.
This is a Kenyan subforum, hence matatizo ya wakenya ndio yamejaa humu, incase u want the Tanzanian stories karibu jukwaa la siasa, au jukwaa la GT.kule CCM na CDM wanapokea fire zetu every 5 seconds.

i have already realized, ever since i decided, to expose your little trickery, you have been bitter about Kimwer, rejoice, if you do stop yapping you wont see me.

 

[waltham]

Calling Tanzania Poor is like calling kettle black, no information here, it's just plain noise.
This is a Kenyan subforum, hence matatizo ya wakenya ndio yamejaa humu, incase u want the Tanzanian stories karibu jukwaa la siasa, au jukwaa la GT.kule CCM na CDM wanapokea fire zetu every 5 seconds.

i have already realized, ever since i decided, to expose your little trickery, you have been bitter about Kimwer, rejoice, if you do stop yapping you wont see me.

dude, sikujui wala sina haja kujui mweusi au samawati. mjadala huu.mbona watia sijui wapendwa na kuchukiwa ya nini kaka.jadili mada hayo ya mapenzi yaache.kama huna la natija kaa pembeni.ukweli usemwe kazi yenu ni kenya kulala kuamka.hauna lingine

 

[Kimweri]

dude, sikujui wala sina haja kujui mweusi au samawati. mjadala huu.mbona watia sijui wapendwa na kuchukiwa ya nini kaka.jadili mada hayo ya mapenzi yaache.kama huna la natija kaa pembeni.ukweli usemwe kazi yenu ni kenya kulala kuamka.hauna lingine

By the dumbness of your posts, you are unlikely to ever meet me.and this is not a rendezvous Kimweri would wish to have.
Umeambiwa habari za TZ peleka majukwaa ya TZ, Jukwaa la Kenya acha habari za kenya, kwani ukileta za TZ utasababisha majibu ya TZ yajaze subforum,kisichoeleweka hapo nini?

 

[waltham]

By the dumbness of your posts, you are unlikely to ever meet me.and this is not a rendezvous Kimweri would wish to have.
Umeambiwa habari za TZ peleka majukwaa ya TZ, Jukwaa la Kenya acha habari za kenya, kwani ukileta za TZ utasababisha majibu ya TZ yajaze subforum,kisichoeleweka hapo nini?

this guy is the most childish tz ever.with your ranting na argument za toto kulilia wembe nani anahitaji kukutana nawe.
[h=1]Kifo cha meneja wa Ewura utata mtupu[/h]

Dar/Dodoma. Wakati kukiwa na utata wa kifo cha Meneja wa Biashara ya Petroli wa Mamlaka ya Udhibiti wa Nishati na Maji (Ewura), imebainika kuwa tofauti ya takwimu kati ya mamlaka hiyo na Mamlaka ya Mapato Tanzania (TRA), iliyotolewa kwenye Kamati ya Bunge ya Bajeti ni Sh25 bilioni.

Meneja huyo, Julius Gashaza alikuwa akihudhuria kikao kilichokuwa kikijadili tofauti hiyo bungeni Dodoma na baadaye aliporudi Dar es Salaam akakutwa amejinyonga hotelini huku ikielezwa kuwa alirudi akiwa amejawa hofu na kukosa amani.

Vyanzo vyetu ndani ya kamati hiyo vimeeleza kuwa tofauti iliyobainika katika hesabu za taasisi hizo za Serikali ni lita 11,755,161, ambazo zingeuzwa kwa bei ya sasa ya petroli mkoani Dar es Salaam ya Sh2,200 zingepatikana Sh25.86 bilioni.

Kwa mujibu wa vyanzo hivyo, takwimu za TRA zinaonyesha kuwa kati ya Julai 2013 hadi Machi mwaka huu, kiasi cha mafuta kilichoingizwa nchini kilikuwa lita 2,189,240,000 wakati Ewura ilionyesha ni lita 2,177,484,839.

Hata hivyo, baada ya utata huo na Kamati ya Bajeti chini ya Andrew Chenge kuitaka Serikali itoe ufafanuzi wa tofauti hizo, Serikali iliwasilisha taarifa yake Jumapili ikisema takwimu zote ni sawa.

Katika ufafanuzi wake, Naibu Waziri wa Fedha, Mwigulu Nchemba alisema uhakiki wa takwimu hizo ulibaini kuwa zote zilikuwa ‘sahihi' na kwamba tofauti iliyopo inatokana na upimaji wa mafuta.

Nchemba alikaririwa akisema TRA hupima mafuta kwenye meli mara inapoingia na kukadiria kodi wakati Ewura hupima mafuta yanapopokewa kwenye matanki.

"Kwa kuwa wakati mwingine meli hutumia muda mrefu tangu zinapoingia hadi zinapoteremsha mafuta, sehemu ya mafuta ambayo TRA huhesabu kama yameingizwa katika mwezi mmoja wakati Ewura hupata takwimu za kiasi cha baadhi ya mafuta hayo katika mwezi unaofuata na hiyo ndiyo iliyosababisha kuwapo kwa tofauti hiyo ambayo hata hivyo ni ndogo."