Alvin_255
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- Oct 26, 2015
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I am not a scientist and it may be that nothing I have written has any bearing in reality. However, I present it anyway on the off-chance that even if it doesn’t, at least it might inspire someone else to come up with something that is real and has real power to find the common threads that run throughout all belief systems.
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I speculate that all religious and mythological stories will be proven fundamentally true—to be rich sources of detailed, scientifically-relevant knowledge, which was faithfully recorded just as soon as humans developed the ability to put the sounds and images of their thoughts into pictures, symbols, and words to communicate.
As it were, I suspect that language itself preceded humanity’s arrival on the evolutionary scene, with language pre-dating all life, because it's actually woven into the fabric of spacetime itself.
I conjecture that something like string theory’s open- and closed-strings, that vibrate in a field differently to create different particles, themselves might undulate and connect with one another in very specific ways that form the precursors to shapes of letters, symbols and ultimately words, giving primordial rise to the phenomena of all language.
And so I speculate about the possibility that the language of matter, as information, is what permeates our Universe, resounding loudest where matter is most concentrated, a constant background hum spelling out the history of the Universe and its fundamental physical laws.
And those vibrations I think are how we get the stories of our universe’s origins, picked up as fragments of ideas in our minds, via the vehicle of our thoughts, and which we interpret through the lens of whatever we happen to perceive around us.
Which is why I think the thoughts that flooded the ancient’s minds, clearly absent modern scientific insight, were painstakingly recorded by them anyway because they simply interpreted the information drumming through their minds according to what they saw around them.
Limited to observation of the physical, classical objects of the world around them, the ancients may or may not have been aware that their thoughts were tapping into the Universe at the levels of atomic and microscopic realms which they could have had no tangible evidence existed.
Specifically, it’s my guess that the ancients attributed insights that were coming from within and through their bodies as having to do with what was going on outside of their bodies. I would include among these mental insight sources the chatter of their own cells & organ systems—their nervous system communicating with their immune system, their digestive system, their circulatory system, their respiratory system, their muscles, etc.— all of which I suspect became fodder for the stories they projected onto the people, animals, objects and environment around them.
I think the ancients may have applied whatever fundamental physical laws & history of the Universe at the atomic level that permeated their being from outside themselves to their metaphysical, religious, and mythological belief systems.
And I suspect they applied the overheard internal cellular and inter-organ communication coming from within their bodies, to the hierarchical, cultural, and political systems that then became the foundations for their various social systems, communities, societies and governments.
Interpretations of the information they gleaned from within their bodies (via their minds) would undoubtedly have been influenced by the climate, the geography, the environment, the flora and the fauna of each particular region, leading to the vast variety of cultures found around the world.
In these ways, I think ancient peoples attempted to make sense of and bring order to the chaotic world around them.
Maybe they recognized that what they thought about, believed and perpetuated sometimes may have seemed cold, heartless, and anti-humanitarian, or maybe it was so natural and representative of what everyone at that time believed, that to be pro-humanitarian would have seemed laughably absurd.
Regardless, my guess is the ancients were likely essentially powerless to shift much away much from the engrained patterns that defined their thoughts, because the nature of our thoughts tends to bring about self-fulfilling prophecy.
If one cannot imagine another way to live, it would be only by chance, accident and random mutation that something unimagined could occur.
I suspect that as ancient cultures developed ways to travel to more distant places and climates, they became exposed to the different interpretations of thoughts of other cultures, and as well developed their own new thoughts as a consequence of being exposed to the new geography, flora, fauna, & microbes of the foreign region. Certainly travel to near and far places is a familiar and repeating theme in spiritual and religious texts.
Viewing all this now, with the benefit of hindsight and through the telescopic and microscopic lenses of chemistry, biology, geology, physics, mathematics, and cosmology, I think it’s reasonable to re-consider some of our forgone conclusions about ancient human beings with regard to their mystical, religious and mythological beliefs.
Fortunately, thanks to the drive and commitment of the ancient peoples to record their thoughts and beliefs, we have scores of religious and spiritual texts to investigate. And I think it makes more sense now than at any other point in history to go back and mine these texts as informational treasure troves for the scientific insights that might well give us missing details about the origin and history of the universe, its fundamental physical laws, and maybe even confirm important aspects of currently untestable cosmological physics and biological abiogenesis theories.
Because my upbringing was in the Christian tradition, the Bible is the primary source of my ever-evolving ruminations and contemplations on the scientific implications of religious texts, but as stated previously, I do expect all religious and spiritually-oriented texts to hold equally valuable truth and, likely, literal scientific insight.
Therefore, I do agree with fundamental Christians that the Bible contains literal, presumably 100% truth, however, it should be noted that I also suspect that ALL words everywhere since the beginning of time probably also contain 100% relevance, at some level of reality.
I strongly doubt that any human beings are even capable of having thoughts that aren’t true at some measurement point between the very smallest level of size and the very largest.
I suspect that all human thought originates from core fundamental, visceral truths, which get slowly filtered up from the subatomic, molecular and cellular realms of their origins, to our macroscopic thoughts and classical world view.
Perhaps frequently our thoughts and beliefs involve a mixture of truths from different scales of physical size context, or like the children's ‘telephone game’ there is some loss in translation, so that in the absence of our understanding we are left no choice but to consider some things ‘fiction’.
By that assessment, it’s easier to understand why sometimes what we believe so strongly sounds so illogical and contradictory to majority opinion and everyday experience. I would submit that once we figure out how to view things at the correct level of context in their entirety, they will all turn out to make perfect, logical sense.
I maintain that a thought can likely never be truly false, because they are always and only based on the language of matter. They can, however, be interpreted in the wrong level, or in a confusing mixture of context where partial translation leaves some things sounding like nonsense— like a word only half translated from a foreign language.
Therefore I suspect that once a person’s nonsensical thoughts can be appropriately attributed to their correct size and scale context and viewed through the proper lens of validated scientific discovery, they will eventually make perfect, logical sense to all observers, from all perspectives.
There will, I imagine, always be room for disagreement about how to apply information about the past and present to the future, but I think disagreement about what happened in the past will, eventually, fall away because all past will one day be able to viewed in a way that makes sense to all observers.
In line with this reasoning, it is my opinion that the Bible is just one of many examples of ancient history that is completely true, just has not yet been able to be viewed through all the necessary scientific lenses and at their intended size and scale context, because the science needed to explain them wasn’t up to the task yet.
A New Take on the Old Testament
With regard to the Christian bible, I think we Christians are fundamentally mistaken that the Bible is about interactions between and among human beings. Rather, the bible I think reads far more logically and sensibly if it turns out to be all about interactions inside the human beings that wrote it—namely the atomic and anatomic interactions between atoms, elements, molecules, cells and the friendly & foreign microbes within their bodies.
While it must have been recorded by human beings, I do not think one single event recorded anywhere in the Bible is about a human-to-human interaction.
My hunch is that Genesis summarizes the cosmological origins of the universe story, with light and dark referring to a separation between something akin to light and dark matter. The first part of the Old Testament in the Bible I suspect can be read at two completely separate, but parallel (fractal) levels.
First at the atomic physics level where Adam = Atom, and Eve = eV (electron volt), and Abraham is a Carbon atom, and second at the cellular biological level, where Adam is the first nucleated cell, Eve is the first strand of RNA, and Abraham is LUCA, our Last Universal Common Ancestor
……….
I speculate that all religious and mythological stories will be proven fundamentally true—to be rich sources of detailed, scientifically-relevant knowledge, which was faithfully recorded just as soon as humans developed the ability to put the sounds and images of their thoughts into pictures, symbols, and words to communicate.
As it were, I suspect that language itself preceded humanity’s arrival on the evolutionary scene, with language pre-dating all life, because it's actually woven into the fabric of spacetime itself.
I conjecture that something like string theory’s open- and closed-strings, that vibrate in a field differently to create different particles, themselves might undulate and connect with one another in very specific ways that form the precursors to shapes of letters, symbols and ultimately words, giving primordial rise to the phenomena of all language.
And so I speculate about the possibility that the language of matter, as information, is what permeates our Universe, resounding loudest where matter is most concentrated, a constant background hum spelling out the history of the Universe and its fundamental physical laws.
And those vibrations I think are how we get the stories of our universe’s origins, picked up as fragments of ideas in our minds, via the vehicle of our thoughts, and which we interpret through the lens of whatever we happen to perceive around us.
Which is why I think the thoughts that flooded the ancient’s minds, clearly absent modern scientific insight, were painstakingly recorded by them anyway because they simply interpreted the information drumming through their minds according to what they saw around them.
Limited to observation of the physical, classical objects of the world around them, the ancients may or may not have been aware that their thoughts were tapping into the Universe at the levels of atomic and microscopic realms which they could have had no tangible evidence existed.
Specifically, it’s my guess that the ancients attributed insights that were coming from within and through their bodies as having to do with what was going on outside of their bodies. I would include among these mental insight sources the chatter of their own cells & organ systems—their nervous system communicating with their immune system, their digestive system, their circulatory system, their respiratory system, their muscles, etc.— all of which I suspect became fodder for the stories they projected onto the people, animals, objects and environment around them.
I think the ancients may have applied whatever fundamental physical laws & history of the Universe at the atomic level that permeated their being from outside themselves to their metaphysical, religious, and mythological belief systems.
And I suspect they applied the overheard internal cellular and inter-organ communication coming from within their bodies, to the hierarchical, cultural, and political systems that then became the foundations for their various social systems, communities, societies and governments.
Interpretations of the information they gleaned from within their bodies (via their minds) would undoubtedly have been influenced by the climate, the geography, the environment, the flora and the fauna of each particular region, leading to the vast variety of cultures found around the world.
In these ways, I think ancient peoples attempted to make sense of and bring order to the chaotic world around them.
Maybe they recognized that what they thought about, believed and perpetuated sometimes may have seemed cold, heartless, and anti-humanitarian, or maybe it was so natural and representative of what everyone at that time believed, that to be pro-humanitarian would have seemed laughably absurd.
Regardless, my guess is the ancients were likely essentially powerless to shift much away much from the engrained patterns that defined their thoughts, because the nature of our thoughts tends to bring about self-fulfilling prophecy.
If one cannot imagine another way to live, it would be only by chance, accident and random mutation that something unimagined could occur.
I suspect that as ancient cultures developed ways to travel to more distant places and climates, they became exposed to the different interpretations of thoughts of other cultures, and as well developed their own new thoughts as a consequence of being exposed to the new geography, flora, fauna, & microbes of the foreign region. Certainly travel to near and far places is a familiar and repeating theme in spiritual and religious texts.
Viewing all this now, with the benefit of hindsight and through the telescopic and microscopic lenses of chemistry, biology, geology, physics, mathematics, and cosmology, I think it’s reasonable to re-consider some of our forgone conclusions about ancient human beings with regard to their mystical, religious and mythological beliefs.
Fortunately, thanks to the drive and commitment of the ancient peoples to record their thoughts and beliefs, we have scores of religious and spiritual texts to investigate. And I think it makes more sense now than at any other point in history to go back and mine these texts as informational treasure troves for the scientific insights that might well give us missing details about the origin and history of the universe, its fundamental physical laws, and maybe even confirm important aspects of currently untestable cosmological physics and biological abiogenesis theories.
Because my upbringing was in the Christian tradition, the Bible is the primary source of my ever-evolving ruminations and contemplations on the scientific implications of religious texts, but as stated previously, I do expect all religious and spiritually-oriented texts to hold equally valuable truth and, likely, literal scientific insight.
Therefore, I do agree with fundamental Christians that the Bible contains literal, presumably 100% truth, however, it should be noted that I also suspect that ALL words everywhere since the beginning of time probably also contain 100% relevance, at some level of reality.
I strongly doubt that any human beings are even capable of having thoughts that aren’t true at some measurement point between the very smallest level of size and the very largest.
I suspect that all human thought originates from core fundamental, visceral truths, which get slowly filtered up from the subatomic, molecular and cellular realms of their origins, to our macroscopic thoughts and classical world view.
Perhaps frequently our thoughts and beliefs involve a mixture of truths from different scales of physical size context, or like the children's ‘telephone game’ there is some loss in translation, so that in the absence of our understanding we are left no choice but to consider some things ‘fiction’.
By that assessment, it’s easier to understand why sometimes what we believe so strongly sounds so illogical and contradictory to majority opinion and everyday experience. I would submit that once we figure out how to view things at the correct level of context in their entirety, they will all turn out to make perfect, logical sense.
I maintain that a thought can likely never be truly false, because they are always and only based on the language of matter. They can, however, be interpreted in the wrong level, or in a confusing mixture of context where partial translation leaves some things sounding like nonsense— like a word only half translated from a foreign language.
Therefore I suspect that once a person’s nonsensical thoughts can be appropriately attributed to their correct size and scale context and viewed through the proper lens of validated scientific discovery, they will eventually make perfect, logical sense to all observers, from all perspectives.
There will, I imagine, always be room for disagreement about how to apply information about the past and present to the future, but I think disagreement about what happened in the past will, eventually, fall away because all past will one day be able to viewed in a way that makes sense to all observers.
In line with this reasoning, it is my opinion that the Bible is just one of many examples of ancient history that is completely true, just has not yet been able to be viewed through all the necessary scientific lenses and at their intended size and scale context, because the science needed to explain them wasn’t up to the task yet.
A New Take on the Old Testament
With regard to the Christian bible, I think we Christians are fundamentally mistaken that the Bible is about interactions between and among human beings. Rather, the bible I think reads far more logically and sensibly if it turns out to be all about interactions inside the human beings that wrote it—namely the atomic and anatomic interactions between atoms, elements, molecules, cells and the friendly & foreign microbes within their bodies.
While it must have been recorded by human beings, I do not think one single event recorded anywhere in the Bible is about a human-to-human interaction.
My hunch is that Genesis summarizes the cosmological origins of the universe story, with light and dark referring to a separation between something akin to light and dark matter. The first part of the Old Testament in the Bible I suspect can be read at two completely separate, but parallel (fractal) levels.
First at the atomic physics level where Adam = Atom, and Eve = eV (electron volt), and Abraham is a Carbon atom, and second at the cellular biological level, where Adam is the first nucleated cell, Eve is the first strand of RNA, and Abraham is LUCA, our Last Universal Common Ancestor
