Kumbe waliopewa ban walikua wanamipa za usoni ;-)
Mohamed, hili la chuo kikuu tumeshakueleza na umeshindwa kulitetea nashangaa sijui kwanini unakuwa mgumu kuelewa! Umeeulizwa EAMWS ilikuwa na makao Mombasa nani ali iua na kwanini haikujenga chuo Mombasa?
Je, Jamiatuli Issilamiya fil Tanganyika walijenga kitu gani kwasababu wao walikuwepo kabla ya Wapakistan hawajaingia Mombasa na Dar es Salaam. Hebu tuambie kitu kimoja tu kama alama ya elimu/afya iliyoachwa na Jamiatul lsamiyya.
Tumekuuliza kama EAMWS ilipigwa marufuku kwa tangazo la serikali, tangazo gani lilipiga marufuku Jamaiatul Isslamiya fil Tanganyika
Mlezi alikuwa Agakha kwanini narudi kujenga chuo pale alipodhulumiwa?
Kwanini tatizo liwe la wamatumbi na siyo Shia, Bohara, Ismailia n.k.
Unajua kuna vitu unadani ni main point kwako bila kujua ni weak point. Hili la EAMWS ni dhaifu sana maana ukiulizwa chuo hicho walikuwa wasome akina nani, sitaki kusikia jibu.
Na kila mara nasema Mohamed kuongea sana siyo maarifa maana unaji contradict sana.
Endapo ugomvi ulianza na kifo cha EAMWS, je AMNUT walikuwa na ugomvi upi na Nyerere!
Eikaeli Mbowe kidume na nyumba katoa iwe ofisi ya TANU.
Miye nilidhhani ni wazee wako tu ndio walitoa nyumba zao kuwa ofisi za TANU; maskini Mbowe sijui hata kama ana jina la mtaa kwa heshima yake...
Nguruvi3
Huyu mzee Muddy hawezi kujibu. By then, 1968 alikuwa 16. Alipokuwa anasikia chuo si ajabu it didnt really mean conventional university, lakini for the purpose of his sensational tales, yeye analazimika kusema ilikuwa university japo atasema it was confirmed by wazee wake.
By the way, katika pitapita zangu pale Tanga mjini mwaka 1992 kule barabara ya 21 au 22 northern side of Taifa road, nilibahatika kukuta nyumba moja ya kawaida sana, ikiwa imepigwa rangi nyeupe, na imewekwa milango ya kiofisi. Juu kulikuwa na bango likionesha ile nyumba ni university. Mlango mmoja ulikuwa na kibao kimeandikwa Chancellor's office. Kwa udadisi wangu nikagundua kuwa ni "islamic university". Pale nje walikuwepo vijana wa kirangi-kutoka Kondoa wakiuza machungwa. Wakaniambia wamekuja kusoma elimu ya dini na walikuwa na matumaini ya kupelekwa uarabuni for further studies. Nilipoulizia zaidi kwa wagosi wenyeji, nikaambiwa ule ulikuwa mradi wa kitapeli wa watu fulani just for attracting funds from somewhere.
Hiyo ni true story.
Anyway, my point is it is possible hicho chuo anachokikomalia mzee Muddy kilikuwa kiwe kama hicho nilichokiona Tanga na kingekuwa ni cha watu wa dini fulani tu. Obviously hata ningekuwa mimi ndio serikali miaka ya 60 au 70 nisingekubali kuanzishwa kwa chuo kama hicho.
Inawezekana pia kingekuwa cha waismalia ambao hawakubaliki na majority Sunni muslims. Na hapo ndio mzee Muddy anapokuwa mjanja. Kwenye kudai kudhulumiwa, mabohora, ismailia na hata waislam wa bakwata, wote wanakuwa waislam. Lakini wakitokea waislam katika simulizi zake ambao hawaelekei kwenye mitizamo yake ya chuki, hao atasema sio waislam au wanatumikia mfumo kristo.
ambaye ni marehemu sasa?
Mohamed, hili la chuo kikuu tumeshakueleza na umeshindwa kulitetea nashangaa sijui kwanini unakuwa mgumu kuelewa! Umeeulizwa EAMWS ilikuwa na makao Mombasa nani ali iua na kwanini haikujenga chuo Mombasa?
Je, Jamiatuli Issilamiya fil Tanganyika walijenga kitu gani kwasababu wao walikuwepo kabla ya Wapakistan hawajaingia Mombasa na Dar es Salaam. Hebu tuambie kitu kimoja tu kama alama ya elimu/afya iliyoachwa na Jamiatul lsamiyya.
Tumekuuliza kama EAMWS ilipigwa marufuku kwa tangazo la serikali, tangazo gani lilipiga marufuku Jamaiatul Isslamiya fil Tanganyika
Mlezi alikuwa Agakha kwanini narudi kujenga chuo pale alipodhulumiwa?
Kwanini tatizo liwe la wamatumbi na siyo Shia, Bohara, Ismailia n.k.
Unajua kuna vitu unadani ni main point kwako bila kujua ni weak point. Hili la EAMWS ni dhaifu sana maana ukiulizwa chuo hicho walikuwa wasome akina nani, sitaki kusikia jibu.
Na kila mara nasema Mohamed kuongea sana siyo maarifa maana unaji contradict sana.
Endapo ugomvi ulianza na kifo cha EAMWS, je AMNUT walikuwa na ugomvi upi na Nyerere!
Si ndio kwa maana nakuambia hao ni wa kuwapuuza tuh,,
Walichokalia wao ni kejeli na kuwafustruate wenzao ili wafungiwe kisha wao wapate nafasi ya kuongea ongea ujinga humu jamvini,wanashangaza saana,pindi wenzao wanatumia jukwaa hili kujifunza na kuelewa uhalisia wao wanatumia kama sehem ya kukejeliana na kutukanana,wapuuz tuh
MM,
Mchango mzuri umeuvuruga kwa kejeli zako.
Nami nitakuacha kama ulivyo.
MM,
Nishaeleza kuwa si lazima Nyerere awe hata kakisikia kitabu changu.
Sidhani kama baada ya kusema hivyo kuna haja tena ya kufatanafatana.
Mohamed,Nguruvi,
Ujenzi wa chuo Kikuu Tanzania na EAMWS ulikuwa umekubaliwa katika mikutano miwili
Muslim Congress iliyofanyika 1962 na 1963.
Madhumuni ilikuwa ni kuwakwamua Waislam kutoka dhulma waliyofanyiwa na ukoloni wa
kunyimwa elimu.
Hayo mengine wala sina haja ya kuyajibu.
Kama angekuwa ameandika kuhusu wazee wake na kuipeleka hiyo histohisia yake kwa watu wa Gerezani na Tandamti ikaishia huko wala sisi tusingepata shida hata kidogo. Tatizo ni pale anapoanza kupotosha na kujenga dhana kwamba ukombozi wa Tanganyika bila hao wazee usingewezekana! na mbaya zaidi ni pale anapojenga taswira mbaya ya udini. Wale wazee wa D'salaam walishiriki harakati za ukombozi kama watanganyika na sio kama waislam na ndio maana walifanya kazi na wasio waislam bila shida. Mohamed Saidi anadanganya anapozungumzia uongozi wa kwanza AA, hayo yamewekwa wazi katika mnakasha huu, nakushauri urudie kosoma michango ya watu humu ndani. Mohamed Saidi haishii hapo, anaondoka na hadithi zake hizo na kuzipeleka kwenye mihadhara yake ya kidini kwenda kumpakazia Nyerere kwamba ni adui wa uislam! Kwamba Nyerere alishirikiana na kanisa kuukandamiza uislam! tunapo mwambia atoe ushahidi anakuja na maandishi anayojinukuu mwenyewe kwenye kitabu chake! au atakwambia msome Sivalon (kwani Sivalon alikuwa msemaji wa kanisa?) au atakuja na hoja dhaifu kama hizi za kwako kwamba na nyinyi muandike historia ya wazee wenu! Hiyo sio sahihi hata kidogo. Acheni ushabiki !Exactly!! I think you get the point
Kwa maana hio na wewe usingetokwa na povu kusema kuna uchochezi wakati yeye kaandika kuhusu wazee wake.
Unaweza na wewe kuandika kuhusu wazee wako au huna wazee?
Au wazee wako hawana jambo ambalo ni zuri kusikilizwa na watu wa JF na Tanzania nzima kwa ujumla au penginepo baadhi ya nchi za nje.
Nani alishtuka Abdu kukutana na Kenyatta? Mshtuko wenyewe utokane na nini? Kenyatta kama Abdu wote hawakuwa na elimu. Kenyatta kajenga nchi ya KIKABILA hasa katika ukanda huu.Gwalihenzi,
Sijui kwa sababu ipi unataka mimi nimzungumze Fundikira.
Mimi utafiti wangu na ndiyo ulonifikisha hapa JF ni historia ya Tanganyika.
Ngoja tuendelee na historia hiyo.
Niliweka hapa habari za mkutano wa Abdu Sykes na Jomo Kenyatta Nairobi 1950.
Mlishtuka sana.
Sasa ngoja nikumalizieni kile kisa:
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[TD]In 1951 Kenyatta proposed another meeting between KAU and TAA to be held in Arusha. [1]
In a message which was delivered by a mutual confidant, Kenyatta insisted that TAA leadership should go to the meeting armed.
TAA nominated Abdulwahid, Dossa Aziz and Stephen Mhando to attend the Arusha meeting.
Abdulwahid owned a pistol given to him during the war by a white officer as a birthday present because their birthday happened to conside.
Dossa Aziz was a proud owner of a powerful five-shot repeater gun. It is not known if Mhando owned any firearm.
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[TD="width: 752"]The TAA delegates travelled separately in order to cover their movements. Dossa Aziz was the first among the four delegates to leave for Arusha via Dodoma. In those days there was no direct route to Arusha.
Travellers to Arusha had to pass through Dodoma. Dossa Aziz took with him his five-shot repeater gun.
In Dodoma Dossa Aziz was received by Ali Juma Ponda, the TAA Central Province Secretary, and after being briefed by Dossa Aziz about the scheduled TAA and KAU meeting, Ponda informed Dossa Aziz that he had received report that there had been serious skimishes between the Mau Mau and British troops; that the KAU leadership was being rounded up and it was very unlikely that Kenyatta and his delegation would travel to Arusha.
Dossa Aziz changed his mind and proceeded to Mwanza by train to inspect TAA branches.
Abdulwahid and Mhando received similar reports on time and were warned not to proceed to Arusha because of the unforseen events in Kenya.
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[TD="width: 752"]In Mwanza Dossa Aziz was received by Dr Joseph Mutahangarwa, TAA Vice-President in Lake Province.
Dr Mutahangarwa was the first African to qualify as a medical doctor.
After learning about the Arusha meeting, Dr Mutahangarwa warned Dossa Aziz about the risk Abdulwahid was taking as Secretary and Acting President of the Association.
Dr Mutahangarwa pointed out to Dossa Aziz the dangers that the Association and its leadership would face should the government discover that TAA was trying to link its own struggle with that of KAU. These fears expressed by Dr Mutahangarwa were without doubt genuine because KAU was suspected of supporting and providing leadership to Mau Mau, with Kenyatta and Kaggia as ringleaders.
Dossa Aziz boarded a ship at Mwanza for Bukoba where he was received by Chief Rutinwa and other members of the TAA Bukoba branch, including veteran politician Ali Migeyo and Suedi Kagasheki. [2]
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[TD="width: 752"]Upon his return, Dossa Aziz was arrested at Dar es Salaam railway station, and marched off to the Central Police Station just across the road where he was interrogated.
The white police officer wanted to know where Dossa Aziz had been and why he was travelling around the country with a powerful gun.
Dossas father, Aziz Ali, intervened and Dossa Aziz was set free without being charged.
Many years later Abdulwahids friend, now a senior government official, had an audience with President Kenyatta at the State House in Nairobi.
Surprisingly Kenyatta remembered him as the person who accompanied Abdulwahid to that meeting.
With his broken Swahili and heavy Kikuyu accent, Kenyatta reminded him of the 1950 meeting.
He called his official photographer who took their photograph together.
This photograph decorates the living room of the former footballer to this day.
Kenyatta also presented him with a tie with the national colours of Kenya.
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[1] Information from Dossa Aziz.
[2] For a profile of Suedi Kagasheki, see Mutahaba, op. cit.
Hebu nikuulize, hivi Kikwete naye alisoma madrasa? Sasa ufisadi kajifunzia wapi?
Mohamed, unaposema huna haja ya kujibu maana yake si kuwa huna haja bali huna jibu.Nguruvi,
Ujenzi wa chuo Kikuu Tanzania na EAMWS ulikuwa umekubaliwa katika mikutano miwili
Muslim Congress iliyofanyika 1962 na 1963.
Madhumuni ilikuwa ni kuwakwamua Waislam kutoka dhulma waliyofanyiwa na ukoloni wa
kunyimwa elimu.
Hayo mengine wala sina haja ya kuyajibu.
Mohamed, unaposema huna haja ya kujibu maana yake si kuwa huna haja bali huna jibu.
Tunajua kuwa AMNUT walitaka kumuondoa Nyerere madarakani bila sababu ya msingi isipokuwa dini yake.
Hiyo ilikuwa 1958 kabala ya uhuru na kwa maneno yako.
Hili ni kundi dogo kwasababu kundi kubwa lilimuunga mkono. In other words aliungwa mkono na waislam. Period!
Mwaka 1968 kwa kupitia Wapakistan waliotoka Mombasa ambao walijificha chini ya mwamvuli wa EAMWS, walitaka kuigawa nchi. Hawa pamoja na Jamaiatu Issilamiya fil Tanganyika ni masalia ya AMNUT.
Ni masali hayo hayo ndiyo yanaleta taabu hadi sasa.
Masalia haya ya AMNUT yanauaminisha umma kuwa waislam walianza kumchukia Nyerere. Hili kundi linatumia neno Uislam kujumisha kila mtu ili kuleta wingi hata kama tunajua kuwa kuna waislam wema kwa mamilioni waliompenda sana Nyerere.
Kwahiyo si sahihi na ni uongo uliotamalaki pale mtu anaposema waislam walianza!
Narudia, Uislam ni dini na imani. Uislam upo kwa mtu na wala hakuna application form ya kuwa mwislam.
Hizi organization ni vyombo tu vya kurahisisha mawasiliano, in the end atabaki mja na mola wale.
Hakuna taasisi au mtu aliye na haki ya kufanya vetting who is a moslem who is not.
Hivyo mnapo ongea ongeleeni nafsi zenu na si nafsi za watu wengine.
Kwamba kulikuwa na Muslim congress ya kuwakomboa waislam kutokana na madhila ya ukoloni kuna shaka kubwa sana.
Huwezi kujenga chuo kikuu ukiwa huna shule za msingi wala sekondari. Sijui wangesoma akina nani.
Lau kana unataka kusema chuo kikuu cha dini labda lingeweza kugonga akili za watu makini.
Hata hivyo hali ya sasa katika madrasa haishirii kuwa kungekuwepo na tofauti na hali ilivyo.
Miaka dahari imepita na ni 15 tangu utoe kitabu. Huu ni muda ambao ungekuwa unaongelea maendeleo ya chuo kikuu badala ya kuwaelezea watu hadithi.
The time has come to cut off the vicious circle of failure.
Innuendos, fabrication, hatred and escapism will never solve the problem.
The problem which is within Swahilis and not Shia, Bohora or Ismaili must be confronted perfect and squarely by the same Swahili.
Nani alishtuka Abdu kukutana na Kenyatta? Mshtuko wenyewe utokane na nini? Kenyatta kama Abdu wote hawakuwa na elimu. Kenyatta kajenga nchi ya KIKABILA hasa katika ukanda huu.
Mohamed, unaposema huna haja ya kujibu maana yake si kuwa huna haja bali huna jibu.
Tunajua kuwa AMNUT walitaka kumuondoa Nyerere madarakani bila sababu ya msingi isipokuwa dini yake.
Hiyo ilikuwa 1958 kabala ya uhuru na kwa maneno yako.
Hili ni kundi dogo kwasababu kundi kubwa lilimuunga mkono. In other words aliungwa mkono na waislam. Period!
Mwaka 1968 kwa kupitia Wapakistan waliotoka Mombasa ambao walijificha chini ya mwamvuli wa EAMWS, walitaka kuigawa nchi. Hawa pamoja na Jamaiatu Issilamiya fil Tanganyika ni masalia ya AMNUT.
Ni masali hayo hayo ndiyo yanaleta taabu hadi sasa.
Masalia haya ya AMNUT yanauaminisha umma kuwa waislam walianza kumchukia Nyerere. Hili kundi linatumia neno Uislam kujumisha kila mtu ili kuleta wingi hata kama tunajua kuwa kuna waislam wema kwa mamilioni waliompenda sana Nyerere.
Kwahiyo si sahihi na ni uongo uliotamalaki pale mtu anaposema waislam walianza!
Narudia, Uislam ni dini na imani. Uislam upo kwa mtu na wala hakuna application form ya kuwa mwislam.
Hizi organization ni vyombo tu vya kurahisisha mawasiliano, in the end atabaki mja na mola wale.
Hakuna taasisi au mtu aliye na haki ya kufanya vetting who is a moslem who is not.
Hivyo mnapo ongea ongeleeni nafsi zenu na si nafsi za watu wengine.
Kwamba kulikuwa na Muslim congress ya kuwakomboa waislam kutokana na madhila ya ukoloni kuna shaka kubwa sana.
Huwezi kujenga chuo kikuu ukiwa huna shule za msingi wala sekondari. Sijui wangesoma akina nani.
Lau kana unataka kusema chuo kikuu cha dini labda lingeweza kugonga akili za watu makini.
Hata hivyo hali ya sasa katika madrasa haishirii kuwa kungekuwepo na tofauti na hali ilivyo.
Miaka dahari imepita na ni 15 tangu utoe kitabu. Huu ni muda ambao ungekuwa unaongelea maendeleo ya chuo kikuu badala ya kuwaelezea watu hadithi.
The time has come to cut off the vicious circle of failure.
Innuendos, fabrication, hatred and escapism will never solve the problem.
The problem which is within Swahilis and not Shia, Bohora or Ismaili must be confronted perfect and squarely by the same Swahili.
Nani alishtuka Abdu kukutana na Kenyatta? Mshtuko wenyewe utokane na nini? Kenyatta kama Abdu wote hawakuwa na elimu. Kenyatta kajenga nchi ya KIKABILA hasa katika ukanda huu.
Mohamed, unaposema huna haja ya kujibu maana yake si kuwa huna haja bali huna jibu.
Tunajua kuwa AMNUT walitaka kumuondoa Nyerere madarakani bila sababu ya msingi isipokuwa dini yake.
Hiyo ilikuwa 1958 kabala ya uhuru na kwa maneno yako.
Hili ni kundi dogo kwasababu kundi kubwa lilimuunga mkono. In other words aliungwa mkono na waislam. Period!
Mwaka 1968 kwa kupitia Wapakistan waliotoka Mombasa ambao walijificha chini ya mwamvuli wa EAMWS, walitaka kuigawa nchi. Hawa pamoja na Jamaiatu Issilamiya fil Tanganyika ni masalia ya AMNUT.
Ni masali hayo hayo ndiyo yanaleta taabu hadi sasa.
Masalia haya ya AMNUT yanauaminisha umma kuwa waislam walianza kumchukia Nyerere. Hili kundi linatumia neno Uislam kujumisha kila mtu ili kuleta wingi hata kama tunajua kuwa kuna waislam wema kwa mamilioni waliompenda sana Nyerere.
Kwahiyo si sahihi na ni uongo uliotamalaki pale mtu anaposema waislam walianza!
Narudia, Uislam ni dini na imani. Uislam upo kwa mtu na wala hakuna application form ya kuwa mwislam.
Hizi organization ni vyombo tu vya kurahisisha mawasiliano, in the end atabaki mja na mola wale.
Hakuna taasisi au mtu aliye na haki ya kufanya vetting who is a moslem who is not.
Hivyo mnapo ongea ongeleeni nafsi zenu na si nafsi za watu wengine.
Kwamba kulikuwa na Muslim congress ya kuwakomboa waislam kutokana na madhila ya ukoloni kuna shaka kubwa sana.
Huwezi kujenga chuo kikuu ukiwa huna shule za msingi wala sekondari. Sijui wangesoma akina nani.
Lau kana unataka kusema chuo kikuu cha dini labda lingeweza kugonga akili za watu makini.
Hata hivyo hali ya sasa katika madrasa haishirii kuwa kungekuwepo na tofauti na hali ilivyo.
Miaka dahari imepita na ni 15 tangu utoe kitabu. Huu ni muda ambao ungekuwa unaongelea maendeleo ya chuo kikuu badala ya kuwaelezea watu hadithi.
The time has come to cut off the vicious circle of failure.
Innuendos, fabrication, hatred and escapism will never solve the problem.
The problem which is within Swahilis and not Shia, Bohora or Ismaili must be confronted perfect and squarely by the same Swahili.