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Siyo mimi tu hata BBC nao wamedumaa hapa Mohamed Said, anamwanga darsa BBC watu wanafyonza Ilm...ha haa haaa wewe kweli maji kama unavyojiita.
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Siyo mimi tu hata BBC nao wamedumaa hapa Mohamed Said, anamwanga darsa BBC watu wanafyonza Ilm...ha haa haaa wewe kweli maji kama unavyojiita.Hautaelewa kamwe kwakuwa haupo tayari kuelewa!
Akili yako imedumaa kwa ngano za Mohamed Said!
Hautaelewa kamwe kwakuwa haupo tayari kuelewa!
Akili yako imedumaa kwa ngano za Mohamed Said!
Hahaahaa Ritz unahangaika sana!
Huamini kilichompata mwalimu wako kabisa!
Hukutegemea hayo niliyokupeni!
Yapo mengi sana naweza kuyashusha tukamaliza hata miaka miwili tunayafaidi!
Nashusha taraaaatibu!
Muheshimiwa Nguruvi3,
Salaam ndugu yangu. Bado nakufuatilia bayana zako kwa makini.
Tafadhali/tafadhalini,muombeni Yericko Nyerere(kama apendavyo kujiita) atupatie sources ya Informations/statistics zake zoote hapa jamvini. Khasa tukianzia na ile khutba ya ufunguzi wake wa mada/shutuma hizi tunazozijadili kwa kina hapa jamvini.
Mengineyo yoote anayojadili au kupingana nayo hapa,lazim pia atupatie sources zake zoote. Haiyumkiniki tu kiwavi fulani akurupuke na kudai kitu fulani ni urongo au haikua vile,au kama anavyopenda kutumia neno "hakuna mantiki/logic" ,na utumbo wake mwingineo mwingi mno...
Kwa sasa inalazim tujue/atutajie hizo hoja zoote anazopinga ni kwa kutumia kigezo/sources zipi!? Au nayeye pia anatumia tu hisia na opinions zake,huku akishangiliwa!?ahaha!!
Kama kuna vitabu vyoyote,Articles,manuscripts,majina ya Historians na mengineyo mengi mno tunaomba aorodheshe hapa.
Lau kama pia alikhadithiwa naye na hao Wazee wenu huko Mikoani/kijijini atokeako au hata web- links/site na mengineyo mengi mno. Au kama kuna baadhi ya vitu/mambo yalitokea nae alikuwapo au alishuhudia enzi hizo,pia tutafurahika kuyapokea toka kwake.
Natumai ombi langu hili chechefu,utalizingatia kwa makini ndugu yangu na kuhakikisha utekelezwaji wake...kwa hishma ya kitaaluma ya Wanajamvi soote.
Niwie radhi kama kuna lolote nimenena kwenye huo uchechefu wangu,nawe labda limekukera au hukupendezwa nalo.
Ahsanta sana.
Cc;Shariff Ritz,Al Khalifa The Big Show,JokaKuu,Talib Boko Haram,Barubaru
Yericko,
Ngano iko wapi?
Nakuwekea tena kwa wepesi wa rejea wanasiasa waliokuwa
pamoja na baba yako kwenye TANU na wengine walimtangulia
katika siasa pale TAA HQ New Street, Dar es Salaam.
Unamkana nani katika hayo?
Nakuuliza tena.
Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere ni ngano?
Hakuwepo hapo na akina Abdu Sykes na Joseph Kassela Bantu?
Unakataa nini?
Msome tena hapa chini baba yako na zingatia footnote ya Tanganyika
Standard 19th June 1953.
Historia ya baba yako katika siasa za Tanganyika ilianza kipindi hicho.
Au nayo ni ngano?
Yericko,
Hebu jikumbushe:
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[TD] My family was acquainted with one Dome Budohi, a Kenyan nationalist who was in Dar es Salaam during the struggle.
Budohi helped in the founding of TANU and his membership card was no.6 issued to him in July, 1954. He was arrested in 1955 by the colonial government on charges of being a member of Mau Mau, a peasant uprising in Kenya against the British.
I have many recollections of visiting Budohi in his cell at the Central Police Station building which now houses the headquarters of the Tanzania Railway Corporation (TRC).
I was at that time a child of not more than four years old. My first recollection of Budohi was that whenever we went to visit him we always found him reading a newspaper.
Budohi was later deported to Kenya and detained on Lamu Island. On being released from detention just before Kenyas independence in 1963, Budohi went to Uganda and worked with The Uganda Argus. I now understand why I always found him immersed in newspapers whenever we went to visit him in his cell during his period in remand in Dar es Salaam.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 601"] I was able, through the assistance of one Maxwell, probably a Luo and an old friend of his who remained in Tanganyika, to trace Budohi in Nairobi in 1972. I visited him in Nairobi.
At that time he was staying at Ruiru a few miles from the city. Budohi had a portrait of Nat King Cole hanging in his sitting room. In 1974 I visited him again this time at his Ngei Estate house.
Budohi became my primary source of information on the early history of Tanganyikas struggle against the British. At that time, however, I had no intention of writing a book.
Yericko,
Soma tena na hapa chini:
There were also patriots from nearby Kenya such as Dome Okochi Budohi and Patrick Aoko who had been exposed to the problems of colonial settler politics of grabbing land from the people.
From them, Abdulwahid received very attentive ears and admiration for his ideas of transforming TAA into a more robust political organisation. Soon after the formation of TANU the two Kenyan nationalists were arrested by the government.
For six months they were interrogated and kept in remand at the Central Police Station chained in their cells.
Yericko,
Hapa napenda kukufahamisha kuwa Dome Budohi akifahamiana vyema na baba yako Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere. Soma hapa chini wapi walikutana:
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[TD] In June, TAA headquarters announced its executive committee with J.K. Nyerere, President; Abdulwahid Sykes, Vice-President; J.P. Kasella Bantu, General Secretary; Alexander M. Tobias and Waziri Dossa Aziz, Joint Minuting Secretary; John Rupia, Treasurer and Ally K. Sykes as Assistant Treasurer. Committee members were Dr Michael Lugazia, Hamisi Diwani, Tewa Said, Denis Phombeah, Z. James, Dome Okochi, C. Ongalo and Patrick Aoko.[1]
The composition of the TAA leadership showed East African solidarity that existed during the struggle for independence.
Kenyan patriots were elected as office bearers side by side with Tanganyikans.
It is said that it was about that time, in the last months of 1953, that Abdulwahid talked to Nyerere seriously about forming an open political party to replace TAA.
Yericko,
Bado una hoja bado mie ni muongo?
Yericko
Nini unachokikataa katika haya?
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[1] Tanganyika Standard, 19 th June 1953. [/TD]
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Unamjua Dome Budohi,?
Unamjua Dome Budohi,?
Tumeshakueleza tangu awali kuwa wewe ni MUONGO na MZUSHI mkubwa!
Unadanganya hata mambo ambayo wenye upeo mdogo kama akina RITZ wanakustukia??
Hotuba hiyo hapo juu inapingana na wewe!
Mwalimu anasema wazi alishaanza siasa tangu mwaka 1945, na alishahudhuria mikutano kadhaa ya AA ngazi ya Jimbo na TAA ngazi ya Taifa!
Mwaka 1948 alikuwa katibu wa Tawi la TAA kule Makerere Uganda,
Sasa unapofupisha wasifu wake kisiasa na kuanzia 1953 unafanya hivyo kwa faida ya nani?
Acha uongo usionamfano, kumbuka wewe tayari ni mzee unayepewa heshima ya UBABU sasa sijui kama kuna watu wanakuja kwako kufaidi matunda ya ubabu huo au unadharirika tu??
Jf sio uwanja wakueneza ngano zako na watu wakakupokea tu, hapa watu tunaijua historia ya nchi hii kuliko chochote na nirudie kukwambia kuwa mimi binafsi ninavyo vielelezo ambavyo huenda hakuna Mtanzania yeyote wa karne hii ya ishirini na moja mwenye navyo!
Hapa sio uwanja wa ngano ndugu!
tumeshakueleza tangu awali kuwa wewe ni muongo na mzushi mkubwa!
Unadanganya hata mambo ambayo wenye upeo mdogo kama akina ritz wanakustukia??
Hotuba hiyo hapo juu inapingana na wewe!
Mwalimu anasema wazi alishaanza siasa tangu mwaka 1945, na alishahudhuria mikutano kadhaa ya aa ngazi ya jimbo na taa ngazi ya taifa!
Mwaka 1948 alikuwa katibu wa tawi la taa kule makerere uganda,
sasa unapofupisha wasifu wake kisiasa na kuanzia 1953 unafanya hivyo kwa faida ya nani?
Acha uongo usionamfano, kumbuka wewe tayari ni mzee unayepewa heshima ya ubabu sasa sijui kama kuna watu wanakuja kwako kufaidi matunda ya ubabu huo au unadharirika tu??
Jf sio uwanja wakueneza ngano zako na watu wakakupokea tu, hapa watu tunaijua historia ya nchi hii kuliko chochote na nirudie kukwambia kuwa mimi binafsi ninavyo vielelezo ambavyo huenda hakuna mtanzania yeyote wa karne hii ya ishirini na moja mwenye navyo!
Hapa sio uwanja wa ngano ndugu!
Yericko,
Hapana sababu ya kughadhibika.
Tueleze historia ya Nyerere kuanzia 1945 hadi alipofika TAA New Street, 1952.
Hili ni bora kuliko kuniita muongo.
Ukifanya hivyo utalinogesha jamvi na faida kubwa itapatikana In Sha Allah.
Aiseee, Nimefurahi sana. At last nimepata ushahidi kuwa;
1. Uwezo wako wa kuchambua mambo uko kombo (nakutangulizia samahani kama utaona vibaya)
2. Nimesema sina kipaji cha kuaga wanangu kuja kumtumikia mtu humu JF. Tena MWENYE username na PASSWORD yake. Paragrah yako ya pili ina jibu jambo tofauti kabisa (lini Julius Nyerere akawa na username na password humu JF) waona mapungufu ya uwezo wako RITZ? Naongolea Bwana na mtumishi wake hapa JF wote wako HAI na wote wana username na passwords zao. Hii pia hutaelewa?????
3. Nyumba na Sykes ni habari aliyoandika Nguruvi. Sio mimi. Tena ukiisoma ile post Nguruvi amesema WAJANJA wa MJINI hakutaja jina la familia husika moja kwa moja kama unavyoliweka hapa. Wewe ni mchonganishi. Unataka kuwachochea watu wa familia hiyo ambao wanasoma hii thread wadhani Mchangiaji kawalenga wao majoa kwa moja. Alipomaliza Maelezo yake (Nguruvi) ndipo nimesema watu kugombea nyumba mzazi anapofariki ni kawaida na wengine wakaenda mahakani baada tu ya kuzika. Confusion yako iko wapi Sheikh?
4. Kwa mara ya kwanza leo NAKUTAMKA RASMI KUWA WEWE NI MUONGO. Lete post yangu yoyote kuanzia ya Kwanza ambayo NIMEKASHIFU UISLAMU. ILETE Ndio maana ya reference.
5. Siku zote (MIMI)nimesema wazee wetu walifanya bidii za kukomboa nchi kama wazalendo (kwanza) na kama waislamu/wakiristo (kibinafsi), wewe na wenzako nadhani mnaegemea kuwa walifanya jitihada zao za kuikomboa Tanganyika kama waislamu (kwanza) kwa Wakiristo(mko kimya) na wazalendo (kibinafsi). Hapo SIKUBALIANI NA NYIE, na najua tofauti hii haina tatizo na nguzo yoyote ya kiislamu bali inahusiana na mitazamo tofauti baina yangu na yako na ya MS. Kilio chako ni ili upate support ya wachangiaji wa kiislamu waniangukie kwa kudhani nadhalalisha dini hii. Nakukumbusha kuwa forum hii ni ya siasa na hamna IMAMU humu.
6. Kejeli unaziona tu pale kina Sykes au anapoguswa MS. Wewe unapotumia kebehi na kuwaita watanzania wenzio kuwa ni wakenya kwa sababu wao wanaishi Mara, wala hujijui kuwa UMEWATUKANA kwa vile roho yako umeshaizoeza kutusi watu kwa hiyo huoni tatizo.
7. Mwisho nakufahamisha rasmi kuwa mtu kuwa mwislamu humu JF sio LAZIMA ATII NA AKUBALI KILA LINALOTOKA KWA MOHAMMED SAID. HATA MTUME (SAW) ALIULIZWA MASWALI MAGUMU NA MASWAHABA-JISOMEE MKATABA WA HUDAIBIYA) SEMBUSE MOHAMMED SAID? UTII WA BILA KUULIZA NI UJINGA.
Jioni njema
Niwie radhi maalimu kama nakukwaza mkuu,Yericko,
Hapana sababu ya kughadhibika.
Tueleze historia ya Nyerere kuanzia 1945 hadi alipofika TAA New Street, 1952.
Hili ni bora kuliko kuniita muongo.
Ukifanya hivyo utalinogesha jamvi na faida kubwa itapatikana In Sha Allah.
Unamuuliza maswali mtu muongo si atakudanganya.
Unamjua Mwigulu Nchema?
Jibu lako ndio jibu la swali lako maamuma!
NIMESEMA NAKUTANGAZA RASMI WEWE NI MUONGO.Lete thread ambayo nimekashikfu UISLAMU. CHENGA ZA NINI?
Nilisema wazi kuwa Mohamed Said ametelekezwa katika mnakasha huu!Unamjua Padre Slaa?
Jibu lako ndio jibu la swali lako maamuma!
Tumeshakueleza tangu awali kuwa wewe ni MUONGO na MZUSHI mkubwa!
Unadanganya hata mambo ambayo wenye upeo mdogo kama akina RITZ wanakustukia??
Hotuba hiyo hapo juu inapingana na wewe!
Mwalimu anasema wazi alishaanza siasa tangu mwaka 1945, na alishahudhuria mikutano kadhaa ya AA ngazi ya Jimbo na TAA ngazi ya Taifa!
Mwaka 1948 alikuwa katibu wa Tawi la TAA kule Makerere Uganda,
Sasa unapofupisha wasifu wake kisiasa na kuanzia 1953 unafanya hivyo kwa faida ya nani?
Acha uongo usionamfano, kumbuka wewe tayari ni mzee unayepewa heshima ya UBABU sasa sijui kama kuna watu wanakuja kwako kufaidi matunda ya ubabu huo au unadharirika tu??
Jf sio uwanja wakueneza ngano zako na watu wakakupokea tu, hapa watu tunaijua historia ya nchi hii kuliko chochote na nirudie kukwambia kuwa mimi binafsi ninavyo vielelezo ambavyo huenda hakuna Mtanzania yeyote wa karne hii ya ishirini na moja mwenye navyo!
Hapa sio uwanja wa ngano ndugu!
Yericko,
Hapana sababu ya kughadhibika.
Tueleze historia ya Nyerere kuanzia 1945 hadi alipofika TAA New Street, 1952.
Hili ni bora kuliko kuniita muongo.
Ukifanya hivyo utalinogesha jamvi na faida kubwa itapatikana In Sha Allah.
Wewe umemuitaje Ally Sykes baada ya wewe kujiita mtu wa Tarime? Wewe niite upendavyo kwangu haina shida una jipya.
Al Habiby gombesugu, naambiwa nimewatusi wa wa Mara kwa kusema wana asili ya Kenya, wewe ulimnasihi nini kuhusu kauli yake dhidi ya Sykes lakni siyo matusi. Ha haa ha.