UPDATE: Kenya yapanga kubadili katiba ili kuunda ofisi ya waziri mkuu

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THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP TO THIS POST: Kenya needs to ditch its presidential system ASAP

Senior leaders in President Uhuru Kenyatta's Jubilee Party are discussing amending the Constitution to introduce a Parliamentary system of government and a Prime Minister.

Multiple leaders separately told the Star yesterday the current winner-take-all presidential system is not good for the country because it creates instability every five years.

It is understood Deputy President William Ruto favours the proposal discussed informally among Jubilee leaders.

President-elect Kenyatta is yet to be briefed on the discussions and proposals.

"We must find a way to make the country more stable and we should be able to accommodate more people in the leadership, a Jubilee MP close to the presidency told the Star.

"At the moment, the positions of President and DP are the most important and as long as they remain like that, it will not matter who occupies them; they will always be seen as exclusive."

Calls for a parliamentary system are gaining momentum.

NCCK secretary general Canon Peter Karanja on Tuesday suggested the Executive should be expanded to include a Prime Minister, two deputies and a Leader of the Opposition. This would foster unity and peace, he said.

Karanja said the 2010 Constitution perpetuates division by completely locking out the opposition from power.

“These divisions are expressions of unresolved grievances and perceptions of exclusion and denial of dignity of the opposition by the arrangement of power as defined in the Constitution of 2010,” Karanja said.

It was not clear if those involved in the new discussions want the changes to apply to the current political system.

Yesterday Majority Leader Aden Duale said although he supports constitutional amendments suggested by NCCK, Jubilee will not support amendments aimed at creating positions for individuals.

This appeared to be a reference to NASA and its plan, if elected, to amend the Constitution and create posts for its co-principals.

"We cannot make amendments to the Constitution to award jobs to people. That is not enshrined in the spirit of our Constitution. Kenyans voted for this Constitution to have a presidential system of leadership," he said.

"We cannot bring Kenyans to a parliamentary system just because some people have seen the current Constitution does not give them leadership. We should only amend the Constitution in the interest of all Kenyans. This issue of giving jobs to people who have lost a presidential contest should not be there," he said.

Opposition leader Raila Odinga previously has said a parliamentary system, such as those India or Singapore, is best suited for Kenya. This was also the stand of ODM in 2009 during discussions leading to final drafting of the Constitution.

Yesterday, Kisumu Governor Anyang' Nyong'o said he and many in the opposition share that view.

"First, it would remove the near-fratricidal wars we have every five years to elect one person to one post called the President. It is not worth it: too expensive, too divisive, too prone to give ruthless tycoons influence and access to the most powerful office in the land and too amenable to the politics of exclusion," he said.

Second, he said, it would create a healthier environment for coalition politics that is emerging as the political process for national integration and unity in diversity.

Under a parliamentary system, political parties, no matter their origin, would campaign for parliamentary and county assembly seats. Each party would aim to control government either at the county or national level, provided it won the majority. If it lacks a majority, it would seek a coalition with others and produce the Prime Minister as leader of the national government.

Kenya's Constitution established a government system akin to a federation, with legislative authority shared between the national Parliament and county legislatures. At the national level, Kenya has a bicameral Parliament, the National Assembly and the Senate. MPs are elected for five-year terms.

The Constitution adopted a presidential system to achieve a sharper separation of powers between the Executive and the Legislature and reduce undue influence of the former over the latter.

The Judiciary also is supposed to be independent of both other branches.

The President and his Cabinet are not members of Parliament. Of the 350 members of the National Assembly, 290 members of either gender are elected directly from single-member constituencies. Forty-seven women members are elected directly from each county, and 12 representatives of special interests are nominated by parties based on their strength in Parliament.

The 68-member Senate has 47 members directly elected from each county and 20 members nominated by political parties, according to their share of seats.

Speakers of both houses are ex-officio members.

The legislative process involves one or both houses of Parliament, depending on the issue. Bills not affecting county governments are considered only in the National Assembly. This is because the primary function of the Senate is to protect the interests of the counties within the national government.

The legislative process in both houses mainly follows five steps: publication of the proposed Bill in the Kenya Gazette: first reading; second reading; referral to committee, where amendments are considered; and third reading, including vote.

The President either signs into law, or sends back for reconsideration every Bill adopted by both houses.

Suba South MP and ODM chairman John Mbadi said the debate on Constitutional amendment is welcome, however, he faulted the way religious leaders proposed it in a public statement.

"It is not too late for the church to propose a government structure but it should propose in a proper way. It should bring the proposal to the People's Assembly," he said, referring to NASA's plan for national and county people's assemblies.

Buuri MP Rindikiri Mugambi of Jubilee told the Star this is the wrong time to change the Constitution just to craft the "failed ambitions of some politicians" — a reference to NASA.

Calls for dialogue to amend the Constitution are premature, he said.

"If we have this culture of changing laws to accommodate election losers, then we will have many changes to the Constitution in future as leaders will be demanding dialogue and power," he said.
 
Don't twist the law to fit your personal needs, cause the ruled will take it as a rule and eventually it will be too late for you to rule them
 
its just a proposition...nothing has been done...yaani hao ni viongozi wa kanisa wame propose hili ili kuleta nchi pamoja...ila sioni kama Jubilee watakubali hilo sababu hakuna tofauti na nusu mkate...
 
This is a lie and Kenyas constitution is fine we dont need a PM position just

Registration of voters without discrimination and

Free and Fair Electoral process and

Full implementation of devolution sio kuweka ile tu inayo kupendeza alafu delaying the rest in courts
 
hio ilikua kabla ya kupitisha katiba mpya...katiba hii mpya ni ya 2010 na haina position ya PM...
Sasa kwa nini katiba mpya haikuacha nafasi ya PM kama ilikuwa nzuri?

Sababu za kuiondoa zilikuwa zipi?
 
Sasa kwa nini katiba mpya haikuacha nafasi ya PM kama ilikuwa nzuri?

Sababu za kuiondoa zilikuwa zipi?
mambo ya PM plus president ni mambo ya zamani bwana...hii katiba iko sawa hivyo bila PM...kuwa na PM tena rais ni redundant...nchi huwa ina rais bila PM ama PM bila rais ila kuwa na wote ni upuuzi...2007 walifanya hivyo ili tu kutuliza vita...
 
Huu ni upumbavu, tena nitachukia sana... Nchi haitaongozwa kwa kutengeneza nyadhifa za kuwafurahisha watu wachache.
Tatizo letu kubwa ni ukabila, kwamba kiongozi wa kabila langu akipewa ukubwa basi tunatulia bila kuzingua, unakuta kuna watu hata kuwafuta kazi ni shughuli, wanakimbilia kwa kabila lao liwanusuru.
 
mambo ya PM plus president ni mambo ya zamani bwana...hii katiba iko sawa hivyo bila PM...kuwa na PM tena rais ni redundant...nchi huwa ina rais bila PM ama PM bila rais ila kuwa na wote ni upuuzi...2007 walifanya hivyo ili tu kutuliza vita...
Sio kweli nchi nyingi tu zina Rais na Waziri Mkuu. Mfumo wenu wa Presidential System unasababishaga instability angalia nchi ngapi za Africa zenye mfumo huo ni stable alafu linganisha na nchi zenye parliamentary system.
 
Sio kweli nchi nyingi tu zina Rais na Waziri Mkuu. Mfumo wenu wa Presidential System unasababishaga instability angalia nchi ngapi za Africa zenye mfumo huo ni stable alafu linganisha na nchi zenye parliamentary system.

kama kuna kipindi kigumu Kenya imewahi kupitia, ilikua ni wakati huo tulikua na PM.
Yaani kila siku malumbano baina ya rais na PM.
 
kama kuna kipindi kigumu Kenya imewahi kupitia, ilikua ni wakati huo tulikua na PM.
Yaani kila siku malumbano baina ya rais na PM.
Kipindi hicho ni nafasi ya PM iliundwa kumfurahisha mtu flani ndio maana. PM anatakiwa awe mtu anayecommand confidence ya bunge ie atoke chama chenye wabunge wengi bungeni kwa sababu yeye ndiye kiongozi wa shughuli za serikali bungeni na ndiye mwenyekiti wa wabunge wa chama/muungano tawala. Ndio maana mlipata shida nyie because Raila was neither of those things alipachikwa tu.
 
I dont know,maybe it is a good idea...I highly doubt it though, the egos involved will not allow it....This stalemate is affecting businesses and the talk of economic sanctions/boycotts is disturbing.Being in business partnered with someone bearing a name from the "wrong tribe" is a genuine cause of worry for me. If my experience is anything to go by, businesses are aqcuring losses..Thinking of closing shop and going to Rwanda.. At some point something gotta give..
 
kama kuna kipindi kigumu Kenya imewahi kupitia, ilikua ni wakati huo tulikua na PM.
Yaani kila siku malumbano baina ya rais na PM.
Walikuwa wanalumbana kwa sababu majukum yake hayakuainishwa vizuri kwenye katiba!

Mfano, Hata mshahara wa PM ulikuwa haujulikani, na Odinga alikaa miezi kadhaa bila kulipwa mshahara.


Kwa nchi zenye mfumo kama huo, hakuna malumbano maana kila kitu kiko clear kwenye katiba. Nyie mkiweka hii nafasi kwa kigezo cha amani, lazima watarumbana tena maana hamtaweza kuainisha majukum yao bayana.
 
mambo ya PM plus president ni mambo ya zamani bwana...hii katiba iko sawa hivyo bila PM...kuwa na PM tena rais ni redundant...nchi huwa ina rais bila PM ama PM bila rais ila kuwa na wote ni upuuzi...2007 walifanya hivyo ili tu kutuliza vita...
Wala sio mambo ya zamani, sema nyie mmeamua kuchagua kutokuwa nae! Ziko nchi nyingi sana zilizoendelea wana rais na PM.
 

Kwani Leo kigezo ni nini kama sio hicho hicho cha kipindi kile.
Nchi yenu kubwa sana hivyo kutawalika na rais mmoja ni shughu yaani uwaze kutoka Lindi hadi uishie Ukerewe ni kazi kweli kweli, lakini kainchi ketu kadogo na wengi tumekusanyika eneo ndogo lenye rotuba sasa tubuni nyadhifa zote hizo za nini
 
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