What are chances for Kenya to do joint oil exploration with her neighbors?

Naomba tupitie possibilities za Kenya kufanya joint oil exploration na majirani zake.

Somalia, no way Somalia can allow that to happen considering Kenya's offshore territorial theft! These two countries r in a serious conflict. From Shifta secession attempts to Al shaabab attacks in Northern frontier. Jesus will have to come back for that to happen.

South Sudan, again i don't think that can happen with Ilemi triangle at the center of tripartite nations dispute. Recent refusal of GoSS to allow IGAD forces but Tanzanian n Egyptian to keep peace is the latest sign of what is brewing there.

Ethiopia, though Kenyan media likes to portray all is rosy for relations btn these two countries, Ethiopia also has claims for Ilemi triangle aside being a quiet rival to oil interest in SS that Kenya tries hard to tap in.

Uganda, if the recent awarding of pipeline to Tanzania is a sign of how things r, then i don't see a chance for that to happen! A tiny Migingo Island in Lake Victoria can testify to that.

Tanzania, though a nation Kenya likes to pretend to despise is holding a winning card for that posibility to happen for Kenya. It is the only nation that so far has successful conducted joint excercise with Kenya to dermacate the boundary. However due to siblings' rivary that will happen if Kenya will have to lick Tanzanian feet plus tanyees n lower her ego n have maximum respect and say shikamoo dada, tunafanyaje hapa? And Tanzania will not want to waste such a chance. This sister nation will not stop at anything in making sure she benefits more.

On the other side of the border, Tanzania has signed joint exploration agreements with Mozambique, DRC and with the exception of Malawi, the possibility of the same to happen with Zambia, Comoro, Burundi, Rwanda and Uganda is way big.

It is for this reason Kenya should understand Tanzania is that country that glues the great lakes countries together. Something is serious amiss with Kenya's regional relations n foreign diplomacy! The recent EPA negotiations can explain Kenyans egoistic behavior better.

Nenda mufanyishie wa Malawi haki yao kwanza. Mmepewa ziwa kubwa kubwa karibu zote Africa, mnaona yote yenu hadi hamtosheki na lile sehemu dogo mliachiwa na wazungu. duuh!! charity begins at home!!

Quickly kwa hiyo wataka watu wa songea na Kyela maje kuvua kwenyu? BTW tumewakataza kufanya exploration upande wa Tanzania i.e. Half of the lake on Tanzanian side. And guess what, wametii...

Quickly muanze kuwapa Somalia chao. Kabla hawajalipua Nrb.

Kenya Buana, nyie mnapenda kushirikiana na wenzenu pale mnapokua mmeishiwa. Mnataka kushirikiana kwenye utafiti ilhali nyie hamna mafuta ya kutosha kuchimba!?

Your ignorant questions do not even deserve an answer! Argh!!!!!!!

You have summarised alot of things that have been going on since independence in one big meticulous mess, You see if you collect a couple of bad things/history between two or more parties, its very easy to create a perception that things are very bad between those parties..You have left alot more good things between these countries that if we were to weigh them in, the bad things would go to the background.

First, Ethiopia withdrew its claim on Ilemi long time ago...

Anyway, using your own logic which you put up there, Think of this- if Kenya has been the way it is ( those border theft problems you claim) with its neighbors since independence and has still managed to be the largest economy in the region, you cannot therefor use the logic that since kenya border problems with its neighbours has been creeping up once again recent years, that somehow we will go down economically as a result or the regional countries teaming up and secluding us... Why, you may ask....because we have been in a worse situation before, way worse than now, starting with the shifta war, then we almost declared a convensioanal war on Somalia, Then 1977 remember what eventually let to the collapse of EAC then remember the brief period idi Amin occupied Uganda, you(TZ) went to war with them, we didnt bother to take any sides, Before that with had an international incident with Amin who was also threathening to war that part of Kenya belonged to Uganda......... After that, coperation regionally was minimal...... So its not the first time on this road, But we still here, standing tall, So geza, A few pipeline deals and regional agreements should not make you cocky, this is just a passing cloud in kenya's book.



And lastly, you cannot compare joint exploration with mozambique-tanzania with Kenya-Somali, these are completely different situation because the kenya-somali problem is about a border dispute (the oil/gas thing is just fueling and renewing this issue), the border dispute started way before anyone could even dream that there was a possibility of oil to be found..... So you cannot decide to do joint exploration on a disputed territory unless its the last option before declaring war on each other....... The border problem with kenya-Somali can be compared with your tz-malawi which dates back to independence....Now can tanzania just decide to share the oil/gas in a territory you believe is yours with malawi just like that????


And about the EPA thing, Every nation will seek to serve its people first before anything else, So you can never accuse Kenya anything from what it did. Just because your needs at the time were aligned with the needs of Uganda and Burundi and South Sudan, it does not mean in anyway that you guys are United, it simply means your needs are aligned because of a common fator (That you are all LCDs and can afford to refuse the deal)..................... Remember CoW? how Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda had grown tired of going to slow and aligned so as to speed up things? at that time Tzs needs and priorities were not aligned, so were secluded or you secluded yourself while CoW seemed united by a common factor, in your minds, Tanzania was looking after its people first, before EAC coperation...... So Tz doesnot have the moral authority to to feel resentment toward Kenya for looking after its own people first in the EPA thing

We can do with all our neighbours except the nosy noisy lazy and envious neighbours......Catch me dead thinking of even anything Joint Venture.I would rather we do with C.A.R......Now you can throw stones and kill your birds for all I care.

countries dont have friends, only intrests! international relations 101.

Kafrican said:

Your ignorant questions do not even deserve an answer! Argh!!!!!!!

You have summarised alot of things that have been going on since independence in one big meticulous mess, You see if you collect a couple of bad things/history between two or more parties, its very easy to create a perception that things are very bad between those parties..You have left alot more good things between these countries that if we were to weigh them in, the bad things would go to the background.

First, Ethiopia withdrew its claim on Ilemi long time ago...

Anyway, using your own logic which you put up there, Think of this- if Kenya has been the way it is ( those border theft problems you claim) with its neighbors since independence and has still managed to be the largest economy in the region, you cannot therefor use the logic that since kenya border problems with its neighbours has been creeping up once again recent years, that somehow we will go down economically as a result or the regional countries teaming up and secluding us... Why, you may ask....because we have been in a worse situation before, way worse than now, starting with the shifta war, then we almost declared a convensioanal war on Somalia, Then 1977 remember what eventually let to the collapse of EAC then remember the brief period idi Amin occupied Uganda, you(TZ) went to war with them, we didnt bother to take any sides, Before that with had an international incident with Amin who was also threathening to war that part of Kenya belonged to Uganda......... After that, coperation regionally was minimal...... So its not the first time on this road, But we still here, standing tall, So geza, A few pipeline deals and regional agreements should not make you cocky, this is just a passing cloud in kenya's book.



And lastly, you cannot compare joint exploration with mozambique-tanzania with Kenya-Somali, these are completely different situation because the kenya-somali problem is about a border dispute (the oil/gas thing is just fueling and renewing this issue), the border dispute started way before anyone could even dream that there was a possibility of oil to be found..... So you cannot decide to do joint exploration on a disputed territory unless its the last option before declaring war on each other....... The border problem with kenya-Somali can be compared with your tz-malawi which dates back to independence....Now can tanzania just decide to share the oil/gas in a territory you believe is yours with malawi just like that????


And about the EPA thing, Every nation will seek to serve its people first before anything else, So you can never accuse Kenya anything from what it did. Just because your needs at the time were aligned with the needs of Uganda and Burundi and South Sudan, it does not mean in anyway that you guys are United, it simply means your needs are aligned because of a common fator (That you are all LCDs and can afford to refuse the deal)..................... Remember CoW? how Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda had grown tired of going to slow and aligned so as to speed up things? at that time Tzs needs and priorities were not aligned, so were secluded or you secluded yourself while CoW seemed united by a common factor, in your minds, Tanzania was looking after its people first, before EAC coperation...... So Tz doesnot have the moral authority to to feel resentment toward Kenya for looking after its own people first in the EPA thing

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so after all this explanation where is one joint exploration agreement has Kenya so far succeed to pen down!

I cant stop laughing..ITS KENYA that glues us all together, NOT TANZANIA...When they talk about SUBSAHARAN Africa,they mean NIGERIA,KENYA &SOUTH AFRICA

Juakali1980, and yet u haven't managed to get any of ur neighbors to sign an agreement on joint exploration programs! How ironic is ur argument? Mind u, both Rwanda n Uganda have dumped Kenya on multibilion regional infrastructure projects just recently! U must b out of ur mind..

Depay, u r one enraged lazy nyang'au! Facts r brutal..

Did someone tell u that ur name sounds Indian Depay?

Geza Ulole said:

Juakali1980, and yet u haven't managed to get any of ur neighbors to sign an agreement on joint exploration programs! How ironic is ur argument? Mind u, both Rwanda n Uganda have dumped Kenya on multibilion regional infrastructure projects just recently! U must b out of ur mind..

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Be happy you got the pipeline deals...Kenya lost and Tanzania won...lets move on

JuaKali1980, thank u for that accolade considering u were yapping of standing a chance on this! However, i am talking of joint exploration agreements overhere! Don't mix the two subjects!

Heheheee....Point driven home@Geza..You heard me.......Now we can move on.

Depay said:

Heheheee....Point driven home@Geza..You heard me.......Now we can move on.

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Nilikuambia hii ni propaganda, ukabisha!

Kenya woos S. Sudan after oil pipeline deal with Uganda collapses



TUESDAY MAY 3 2016










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Kenya is reviving its deal with South Sudan in which the latter will export oil through Lamu Port. This is aimed at increasing use of the Lokichar-Lamu crude oil pipeline.

The move comes after the collapse of the Uganda deal. However, experts warn that Kenya could find itself in a difficult situation again saying Total, which killed the Uganda deal, is the main holder of the majority of oil blocks in South Sudan.

Petroleum Principal Secretary Andrew Kamau said by phone that Kenya will begin talks with South Sudan to have it export oil through Lamu.

“We had a deal with South Sudan before Uganda requested us to delay construction of our pipeline so that we could do it together. We will now move forward with plans mooted in 2012 that will see South Sudan connect to our pipeline,” said Mr Kamau. “We are left with two years of work to hit production, we now want to initiate talks with South Sudan.”

With tact
Mr Joe Nyaga, the head of projects at Northern Corridor summit where Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan are members, said that, “Kenya must approach the South Sudan deal with tact since majority of oil blocks are owned by Total.”

French firm Total is behind Uganda’s involvement with Tanzania in the crude oil pipeline. The firm owns oil blocks in Congo, Uganda and South Sudan, and would be interested in having all its resources together transported through the Port of Tanga.

Total has stake in a 120,000km² concession in Jonglei state, South Sudan with interests in more oil blocks in the country.

The blocks are however closed with activity going on in Upper Nile state only, several months after violence began between groups loyal to President Salva Kiir and Riek Machar, who is now vice president after a peace deal was brokered.

The violence that has rocked oil rich South Sudan is seen as a hindrance to effective oil production as majority of oil blocks are usually closed when the turmoil is at its peak.

Kenya is nonetheless carrying on with its earlier contract with South Sudan to have the latter export 160,000 barrels of its crude oil per day through Lamu.

Kenya is bound by South Sudan through a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed in 2012 through the Lamu Port South Sudan Ethiopia Transport Corridor. The deal was to set the pace for Lamu Port to be used as an export point for South Sudan crude oil.

Mr Nyaga however said there is no guarantee that the Juba deal will come to Kenya. He noted that if all considerations are put together, it would take Kenya “too much negotiations” to have South Sudan oil exported crude through Lamu.

Energy Cabinet Secretary Charles Keter did not pick our calls to answer questions on whether all issues had been taken into consideration on the decision to have Juba export oil through Lamu.

However, despite the risks involved, there is a fresh argument that Khartoum currently charges South Sudan very high tariffs that would make it consider exporting oil through Lamu.

“This will boost the country’s share of wealth. Sudan collects $25 per barrel in transit fees from South Sudan for exporting oil through its territory, and Kenya presents a more affordable option through Lamu,” explained Kenya Pipeline Chairman John Ngumi in an earlier interview.

According to Ngumi, the Kenyan pipeline through the north is a huge investment since it could be extended to Ethiopia.

The move to look north for an export partner comes after Uganda decided to construct its Sh400 billion pipeline through Tanga, based on its affordability and accessibility. French firm Total backed the move, bringing its financial muscle to bear in defending its position.

Uganda in its final report presented at the Heads of State Summit in Kampala last month said that Tanzania had waived its tariffs and with the land belonging to the government, the whole deal became less expensive.

In Kenya on the other hand, tariffs were higher and it would heavily cost both Uganda and Kenya to displace people and compensate them for their land.

While Tanzania would charge $12.2 for each barrel of oil going through the crude oil pipeline to Tanga port, Kenya would charge Uganda $16.8 or more to transport a barrel of oil through Lamu route.

Uganda’s decision dulled Kenya’s high moments at the Kampala heads of state summit. Sources privy to inside deals at the summit said President Uhuru Kenyatta was disinterested in the meeting as it began because it was already clear that the Tanga route would be taken even despite tough negotiations.

Spirit of integration
“There was no mention of the crude oil pipeline until the last minute owing to pressure by Kenya to have the final decision announced.

In fact President Kenyatta refused to sign the final communique, but later did it quoting the spirit of integration,” said the source who pleaded anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Mr Nyaga who was present during the proceedings said he was very disappointed. “Despite Uganda’s decision to build its pipeline through Tanga; Uganda and Kenya are like twins interconnected with more that keeps us together, so in future we must work together in the spirit of integration,” said Mr Nyaga.

Kenya woos S. Sudan after oil pipeline deal with Uganda