Who is worse, Mobutu or Kabila?

[Alvin_255]

Comparing Mobutu Sese Seko and Laurent-Désiré Kabila, both leaders of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), involves examining their respective regimes, impacts on the country, and legacies.

Mobutu Sese Seko (1965-1997)

Authoritarian Rule: Mobutu ruled with an iron fist, establishing a one-party state and suppressing political dissent. His regime was characterized by corruption, nepotism, and human rights abuses.
Economic Decline: While initially benefiting from Cold War support, his regime led to significant economic decline, with widespread poverty and mismanagement of resources.
Cult of Personality: Mobutu cultivated a strong cult of personality, promoting a nationalist ideology called "Zairianism" and changing the country's name from Congo to Zaire.

Laurent-Désiré Kabila (1997-2001)

Revolutionary Background: Kabila came to power after leading a rebellion against Mobutu, initially promising reform and improvement of living conditions.
Authoritarian Tendencies: However, Kabila quickly became autocratic, suppressing opposition and dissent. His government was marked by violence and human rights violations.
Civil Conflict: His presidency saw the outbreak of the Second Congo War (1998-2003), which involved multiple African nations and resulted in millions of deaths and widespread atrocities.
Comparison

Human Rights Violations: Both leaders engaged in significant human rights abuses, but Mobutu's long tenure allowed for more entrenched corruption and systemic issues, while Kabila's rule was marked by the devastation of war.
Economic Impact: Mobutu's mismanagement led to a collapse of the economy, while Kabila inherited a deeply troubled nation and struggled to stabilize it amid conflict.
Legacy: Mobutu is often viewed as a symbol of the failures of post-colonial leadership in Africa, while Kabila's legacy is complicated by his initial promise of reform and the subsequent chaos of war.

Conclusion

Determining who is "worse" depends on the criteria used—Mobutu's long-standing corruption and oppression versus Kabila's role in widespread conflict and violence. Both left a significant negative impact on the DRC, contributing to its ongoing struggles.

 

[Kinyungu]

Damage aliyofanya Mobutu kwa Congo ndiyo chanzo cha mabaya yote yanayoikumba DRC.

Hao kina Kabilas (Baba na Mtoto) na Tshikedi wana deal na matokeo ya uovu wa Mobutu.

Uovu wa Mobutu kwa DRC ni next level haufananishwi na wa kiongozi yoyote baada yake. Maana wote waliofuata baada ya Mobutu wanadeal na consequences za utawala wake

 

[didy muhenga]

Tp mazembe bingwa

 

[Iyerdoy]

Comparing Mobutu Sese Seko and Laurent-Désiré Kabila, both leaders of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), involves examining their respective regimes, impacts on the country, and legacies.

Mobutu Sese Seko (1965-1997)

Authoritarian Rule: Mobutu ruled with an iron fist, establishing a one-party state and suppressing political dissent. His regime was characterized by corruption, nepotism, and human rights abuses.
Economic Decline: While initially benefiting from Cold War support, his regime led to significant economic decline, with widespread poverty and mismanagement of resources.
Cult of Personality: Mobutu cultivated a strong cult of personality, promoting a nationalist ideology called "Zairianism" and changing the country's name from Congo to Zaire.

Laurent-Désiré Kabila (1997-2001)

Revolutionary Background: Kabila came to power after leading a rebellion against Mobutu, initially promising reform and improvement of living conditions.
Authoritarian Tendencies: However, Kabila quickly became autocratic, suppressing opposition and dissent. His government was marked by violence and human rights violations.
Civil Conflict: His presidency saw the outbreak of the Second Congo War (1998-2003), which involved multiple African nations and resulted in millions of deaths and widespread atrocities.
Comparison

Human Rights Violations: Both leaders engaged in significant human rights abuses, but Mobutu's long tenure allowed for more entrenched corruption and systemic issues, while Kabila's rule was marked by the devastation of war.
Economic Impact: Mobutu's mismanagement led to a collapse of the economy, while Kabila inherited a deeply troubled nation and struggled to stabilize it amid conflict.
Legacy: Mobutu is often viewed as a symbol of the failures of post-colonial leadership in Africa, while Kabila's legacy is complicated by his initial promise of reform and the subsequent chaos of war.

Conclusion

Determining who is "worse" depends on the criteria used—Mobutu's long-standing corruption and oppression versus Kabila's role in widespread conflict and violence. Both left a significant negative impact on the DRC, contributing to its ongoing struggles.

Tshisekedi is a hopeless guy. There's no use to discuss those defunct presidents.

 

[Alvin_255]

Tshisekedi is a hopeless guy. There's no use to discuss those defunct presidents.

He and his ministers don’t appear to be doing anything (except talking a lot). Whereas at least there was a government in the DRC’s cities under Kanambe/Kabila, apparently anarchy is now so replete in Kinshasa too, that its inhabitants might as well sleep in their offices, due to the de facto abolition of traffic rules.
When he comes to Belgium he brings a bunch of people who reside in high-end hotels and all go shopping in the fanciest streets. Bad habit!
Mutual suspicion with the Tshisekedi clan and their voters, for historical reasons.
January of 2019, a bloody revolution was set to break out at any time. His coronation served as a Shakespearean act of comedy which took the wind out of the sails of that almost-event. It’s completely unclear if this was a good thing or a bad thing. It is rather unclear where Mr Tshisekedi falls on the intelligence spectrum. Is he a Mr Bean or a Mr Bond?

 

[Phaul]

Comparing Mobutu Sese Seko and Laurent-Désiré Kabila, both leaders of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), involves examining their respective regimes, impacts on the country, and legacies.

Mobutu Sese Seko (1965-1997)

Authoritarian Rule: Mobutu ruled with an iron fist, establishing a one-party state and suppressing political dissent. His regime was characterized by corruption, nepotism, and human rights abuses.
Economic Decline: While initially benefiting from Cold War support, his regime led to significant economic decline, with widespread poverty and mismanagement of resources.
Cult of Personality: Mobutu cultivated a strong cult of personality, promoting a nationalist ideology called "Zairianism" and changing the country's name from Congo to Zaire.

Laurent-Désiré Kabila (1997-2001)

Revolutionary Background: Kabila came to power after leading a rebellion against Mobutu, initially promising reform and improvement of living conditions.
Authoritarian Tendencies: However, Kabila quickly became autocratic, suppressing opposition and dissent. His government was marked by violence and human rights violations.
Civil Conflict: His presidency saw the outbreak of the Second Congo War (1998-2003), which involved multiple African nations and resulted in millions of deaths and widespread atrocities.
Comparison

Human Rights Violations: Both leaders engaged in significant human rights abuses, but Mobutu's long tenure allowed for more entrenched corruption and systemic issues, while Kabila's rule was marked by the devastation of war.
Economic Impact: Mobutu's mismanagement led to a collapse of the economy, while Kabila inherited a deeply troubled nation and struggled to stabilize it amid conflict.
Legacy: Mobutu is often viewed as a symbol of the failures of post-colonial leadership in Africa, while Kabila's legacy is complicated by his initial promise of reform and the subsequent chaos of war.

Conclusion

Determining who is "worse" depends on the criteria used—Mobutu's long-standing corruption and oppression versus Kabila's role in widespread conflict and violence. Both left a significant negative impact on the DRC, contributing to its ongoing struggles.

Excuse me Mkuu, they are all greedy hyenas, they did not care about the walfare of the congolese, maybe we should point out who among the the 2 is a less greedy fisi.

 

[Shimba ya Buyenze]

OK. Mobutu is worse. So what? 😳

 

[Alvin_255]

Excuse me Mkuu, they are all greedy hyenas, they did not care about the walfare of the congolese, maybe we should point out who among the the 2 less greedy fisi.

I think it depends on the generation.There is no doubt Mobutu was a dictator but perceptions could vary.

some compare him with his successors and believe that he wasn't that bad because the country seemed to be in better shape, There was no war under him (or not to the scale of his successors); the biggest boxing fight happened in DRC under his time; the country went to the world cup; the country won the African cup of nations twice); Economically everything seemed to go well.

But Looking back, his reign was a house of cards, that introduced corruptions of government officials to some alarming levels, which still cripples the country to this day.

 

[Proved]

Damage aliyofanya Mobutu kwa Congo ndiyo chanzo cha mabaya yote yanayoikumba DRC.

Hao kina Kabilas (Baba na Mtoto) na Tshikedi wana deal na matokeo ya uovu wa Mobutu.

Uovu wa Mobutu kwa DRC ni next level haufananishwi na wa kiongozi yoyote baada yake. Maana wote waliofuata baada ya Mobutu wanadeal na consequences za utawala wake

Una hoja mkuu...

Ila Mobutu hayupo tena hivyo waliopo na watakaokuja wana wajibu wakuitibu nchi yao.

 

[Alvin_255]

OK. Mobutu is worse. So what? 😳

What a close-minded

 

[DR VRM]

I think it depends on the generation.There is no doubt Mobutu was a dictator but perceptions could vary.

some compare him with his successors and believe that he wasn't that bad because the country seemed to be in better shape, There was no war under him (or not to the scale of his successors); the biggest boxing fight happened in DRC under his time; the country went to the world cup; the country won the African cup of nations twice); Economically everything seemed to go well.

But Looking back, his reign was a house of cards, that introduced corruptions of government officials to some alarming levels, which still cripples the country to this day.

Yes, he was Autocratic, but western governments sanctions, scramble for mineral wealth, terminal prostate cancer and finally, the western funded multiple rebel fronts crippled him and his power

 

[Shimba ya Buyenze]

What a close-minded

OK. Mobutu is worse. So what? 😳

 

[DR VRM]

OK. Mobutu is worse. So what? 😳

 

[John Wickzer Mulholland]

Comparing Mobutu Sese Seko and Laurent-Désiré Kabila, both leaders of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), involves examining their respective regimes, impacts on the country, and legacies.

Mobutu Sese Seko (1965-1997)

Authoritarian Rule: Mobutu ruled with an iron fist, establishing a one-party state and suppressing political dissent. His regime was characterized by corruption, nepotism, and human rights abuses.
Economic Decline: While initially benefiting from Cold War support, his regime led to significant economic decline, with widespread poverty and mismanagement of resources.
Cult of Personality: Mobutu cultivated a strong cult of personality, promoting a nationalist ideology called "Zairianism" and changing the country's name from Congo to Zaire.

Laurent-Désiré Kabila (1997-2001)

Revolutionary Background: Kabila came to power after leading a rebellion against Mobutu, initially promising reform and improvement of living conditions.
Authoritarian Tendencies: However, Kabila quickly became autocratic, suppressing opposition and dissent. His government was marked by violence and human rights violations.
Civil Conflict: His presidency saw the outbreak of the Second Congo War (1998-2003), which involved multiple African nations and resulted in millions of deaths and widespread atrocities.
Comparison

Human Rights Violations: Both leaders engaged in significant human rights abuses, but Mobutu's long tenure allowed for more entrenched corruption and systemic issues, while Kabila's rule was marked by the devastation of war.
Economic Impact: Mobutu's mismanagement led to a collapse of the economy, while Kabila inherited a deeply troubled nation and struggled to stabilize it amid conflict.
Legacy: Mobutu is often viewed as a symbol of the failures of post-colonial leadership in Africa, while Kabila's legacy is complicated by his initial promise of reform and the subsequent chaos of war.

Conclusion

Determining who is "worse" depends on the criteria used—Mobutu's long-standing corruption and oppression versus Kabila's role in widespread conflict and violence. Both left a significant negative impact on the DRC, contributing to its ongoing struggles.

Dictator Mobutu Sese Seko was worse than Satan.

 

[DR VRM]

Dictator Mobutu Sese Seko was worse than Satan.

Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu wa za Banga was a good man, but the WEST (USA and BELGIUM) used him and destroyed the ZAIRE.."MOBUTU nonetheless proved to be a staunch ally against Communist encroachment in Africa. As such, he received extensive U.S. financial, materiel, and political support, which increased his stature in much of Sub-Saharan Africa where he often served the interests of administrations from Johnson through Reagan"

 

[John Wickzer Mulholland]

Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu wa za Banga was a good man, but the WEST (USA and BELGIUM) destroyed the
ZAIRE.."MOBUTU nonetheless proved to be a staunch ally against Communist encroachment in Africa. As such, he received extensive U.S. financial, materiel, and political support, which increased his stature in much of Sub-Saharan Africa where he often served the interests of administrations from Johnson through Reagan"

Utawala wa Rais Mobutu Sese Seko ulikuwa ni wa kikatili sana kupita kiasi, na mbaya zaidi, Utawala wake uliidhoofisha sana nchi ya Zaire katika nyanja zote kabisa za Utawala wa nchi na nyanja za maisha ya Watu. Hakuunda Serikali Wala Mifumo ya Utawala kwa ajili ya uendeshaji wa Serikali. Bali aliunda Magenge yake ya Uhalifu kwa ajili ya Kumsifu yeye mwenyewe binafsi sambamba na kuwaangamiza wale Watu wote waliokuwa wakimpinga au kumkosoa.

Eleza, legacy gani hasa iliyo nzuri ambayo Mobutu Sese Seko ameacha nchini Zaire (DRC)?

 

[DR VRM]

Utawala wa Rais Mobutu Sese Seko ulikuwa ni wa kikatili sana kupita kiasi, na mbaya zaidi, Utawala wake uliidhoofisha sana nchi ya Zaire katika nyanja zote kabisa za Utawala wa nchi na nyanja za maisha ya Watu. Hakuunda Serikali Wala Mifumo ya Utawala kwa ajili ya uendeshaji wa Serikali. Bali aliunda Magenge yake ya Uhalifu kwa ajili ya Kumsifu yeye mwenyewe binafsi sambamba na kuwaangamiza wale Watu wote waliokuwa wakimpinga au kumkosoa.

Eleza, legacy gani hasa iliyo nzuri ambayo Mobutu Sese Seko ameacha nchini Zaire (DRC)?

walaumu waliomweka na kumlinda (Mabeberu),.. "Mobutu, serving as Chief of Staff of the Army and supported by Belgium and the United States, deposed the democratically elected government of left-wing nationalist Patrice Lumumba in 1960"

 

[John Wickzer Mulholland]

walaumu waliomweka na kumlinda (Mabeberu),.. "Mobutu, serving as Chief of Staff of the Army and supported by Belgium and the United States, deposed the democratically elected government of left-wing nationalist Patrice Lumumba in 1960"

Je, Hiyo ndio legacy nzuri aliyoacha Mobutu Sese Seko huko Zaire?
Eleza mazuri yake, kama unayafahamu.

 

[DR VRM]

Je, Hiyo ndio legacy nzuri aliyoacha Mobutu Sese Seko huko Zaire?
Eleza mazuri yake, kama unayafahamu

kuielewa CONGO na changamoto zake, pamoja na hoja zako za Mobutu, kwanza jisomee kitabu "King Leopold's Ghost"

 

[Phaul]

I think it depends on the generation.There is no doubt Mobutu was a dictator but perceptions could vary.

some compare him with his successors and believe that he wasn't that bad because the country seemed to be in better shape, There was no war under him (or not to the scale of his successors); the biggest boxing fight happened in DRC under his time; the country went to the world cup; the country won the African cup of nations twice); Economically everything seemed to go well.

But Looking back, his reign was a house of cards, that introduced corruptions of government officials to some alarming levels, which still cripples the country to this day.

,Yap maybe so, everything being so quiet does not mean all is well mkuu, the BIG man can always use " watu wasiojulikana " to make sure there is no " noise".

About gping to the World Cup its all about motivation to the National Team.

If you happened to follow the recent events in the ongoing war the marcenaries from Romania were paid 1000 USD @ while the Congolese fighting the same enemy ends up getting 100 USD, you are sympathetic to one of the hyenas why ?