Who’s afraid of big bad Kenya? Not me

Finally, A thread that is willing to address real EA issues. I am seeing the points of view in here.

We have issues... alot of issues.
i remember in one instance i did say that we all need to clean house and be at par before EAC.

the Leadership in Kenya is scary...people like Ruto (hate monger and tribalist namba 1),
Saitoti( Mwizi mkubwa he cannot account for Free education money) are unchecked...The welfare of the mwanainchi is not part of their agenda.

I will go first.

Hmm...
Kenya is a beautiful country blessed by Almighty Jehovah, Lakini the leadership tangu 1963 has sucked.

History aside, Kenya has seen some real challenges,
Kenya has killed some of her best leaders/brains...Pinto, Mboya, JM kariuki, Ouko, Bishop Muge and the list is endless.

Kenyatta started it , Moi perpertuated it and now Kibaki and his cronies are totally raping this beatiful land.

If you take a trip though Kenya you will know what i mean it has everything

ARID lands, Highlands, Mountains(Mnt. Kenya, please note that i have NOT included mnt Kilimanjaro 🙂 in teh line-up ), rivers and Valleys, how about the beaches? White sugary sands in North and South coast, lakini the average person is still struggling to make ends meet. Again the issue of leadership comes up.

I feel challenged kwa kweli because what can one lone person do to make change....mark you in Kenya if you make too much noise ...utakuwa marehemu...Either itakuwa road Accident ama violent robbery gone bad...peoepl are afraid to come and say something.

Corruption...I mean where do i even begin. It is real. there are good Kenyans and then there are very very bad kenyans and guess what the very bad ones are not that many, it's their atrocities that make it look like they are many!!!

What ails Kenya as i can see is her leadership and policies. If we can get one Kagame just for one term we will be headed somewhere.

Most leaders forget that if the middle class and low class are content you can get away with alot of stuff.


TO BE CONTINUED.

moyo said:

It is as a result of inferiority complex that one can write such an article to console him or herself.Yes Kenya has it's challenges like any other country in the world,tribalism,bad governance, etc and this led to the post elction violence we witnessed in 2007-8.If you read this article by onyango carefully shows that Kenya is still ahead,infact far ahead he only disputes the fact that Kenyan's economy is bigger than Tanzania's and Uganda's combined,and judging by the responses to this post shockingly reveals how inferior Tanzanians feel towards Kenya.
I am surprised anything about Kenya will be portrayed negatively in this forum, dont we have other serious issues to discuss that can make us better East Africans!!Yes it is true that some big companies are owned by Asians and Europeans but mostly many of them are owned by Kenyans. The economy of Kenya depends on Small and Medium size enterprises and this is where most Kenyans come in.
You cant compare Kenyan's poverty with Tanzania's,a case in point is when safaricom,and ken gen, ware privatized ,the IPO was over subscribed by 50% and this were ordinary Kenyans buying the shares!even the govt issued an infrastructure bond and the same happened , Kenyans are not poor what they have is bad leadership and once they solve that they will be far ahead.No wonder most house girls in Kenya are Tanzanians(sorry to say so but its just an observation).
A country that does not have any minerals,just a small portion of fertile land,went thru violence neary civil war but still commands the region is something that shouild not be taken lightly,the only asset kenya has is it's skilled and intelligent human resource and thats why most CEO's of the big companies are under 40yrs,this is what makes Kenya and Kenyans tick,so long as they can maintain and improve on it the sky will be their stepping stone.
Tanzania and Uganda should stop bragging over their small achievements but embrace the spirit of East African community,Kenya cant afford to fight TZ and UG because they control their economies after Asians and Europeans,coz they might loose their investments .Don't forget Rwanda,small but emerging power. "Small minds discuss people,ordinary minds discuss events but great minds discuss IDEAS".

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if anyone wants to genuinly understand kenyans then moyo just explained kenya and kenyans in a nutshell. kenya only has kenyans to depend on, we got no oil, diamonds, gold or any major mineral to depend on. just the human capital, THAT IS ALL WE GOT and that is what makes kenya what it is.

Injinia said:

The same can be said about Kenyan forums and blogs! Every other topic is about TZ, infact, there's one with a whole forum dedicated to Tanzania.
Yes, you may be aggressive, go-getters and all, but that doesn't mean you should use that to put down your neighbours!!

Yes, we (Tanzania and Uganda) may have lagged behind a few years...but if you haven't noticed we have not been sleeping - but again, maybe you have noticed, and that's what is disturbing you: that the real giants of the region are waking up from their slumber!!

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Which blogs are those? Any link? I would like to coz when i want to know about tanzania i go to allafrica.com or jamii forums. This chest thumping i see here will not add any sufurias of ugali to anyone.

Geza ulole said:

this is a crap otherwise you don't know the meaning of a forum! otherwise you are blind enough not to see hate articles that potray other countries in the EA block wrongly. Read here https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...ove-nationalism-to-steer-eac-integration.html

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Geza Ulole...it is amazing to see the caliber/level of your thinking and reasoning.
If this is crap why are indulging in it? remember the old adage that says "if you lie down with dogs you get fleas"...
If you are here contributing to this "crap" as you call it, you are definitely gonna stink ...then what does that make you?

KIWAVI said:

Abunwasi nisaidie... kosa la smatta hapa lipi?mbona alikua anamjibu mtu??

Mimi mbongo lakini Nyaralego ameweka post vital kwetu sote babake

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tatizo langu mimi ni lugha kwani wote tukianza na lugha ya kistaarabu bila kudhalilishana/kudharauliana na kuwa wakweli there is no way we will ever reach anyway.

Smatta said:

Now eliakeem you are pretending to be witty, and the best thing we know of you is filling up space on this forums and giving us irrelevant links.

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smatta, it seems you got me wrongly, i'm not pretending. The substance is that, Nyaralego quoted (i dont know where he got it) something which sijasema. he is edditing the quotes, something which is very bad. amezoea ukora.

Again, you have mantained that I gives the irrelevant link. But what I know the proper definition of the irrelevant depends upon the person or the society, for instance, if you talk about Nationalism in kenya is irrelevant while in Tz is something holding water. Likewise, if you talk about tribalism in kenya is relevant while in Tz is crap, pumba.

A pokot classmate of mine, told me that the eac is for other tribes like kikuyu. This simply shows how tribalism is relevant for you.

I remain.
eliakeem.

ahahahahah...Every Afican Can....naona mnabishana vitu ya kipumbavu na ni dalili kuwa mumekwisha ambukizwa ujinga ambao maranyingi hufanya bongo zenu ziwe kama za Kitoto

EAC-nyerere, Kenyatta, amini...walianzisha ikaanguka...
EAC-mkapa, kibaki, museveni....wameanzisha tena.....wameongeze nguvu za Kagame na nkurunzinza piere...............itaanguka...maana haina foundation imara ambayo ni muungano na makubaliano ya wananchi wao walioko vijijini na wanaoishi chini ya usd1 kwa siku na wanakufa kwa kukosa maji safi, chakula, tiba na malazi bora..

EAC (2015)...itakuwa kenya, somalia, rwanda, burundi na sudan
.......hii kitu ni big tyme POLITIX....coz every eac countries president want to hit the guiness book of records......in their own stylez....ni maoni tuuu wazeiyaaaah

eliakeem said:

smatta, it seems you got me wrongly, i'm not pretending. The substance is that, Nyaralego quoted (i dont know where he got it) something which sijasema. he is edditing the quotes, something which is very bad. amezoea ukora.

Again, you have mantained that I gives the irrelevant link. But what I know the proper definition of the irrelevant depends upon the person or the society, for instance, if you talk about Nationalism in kenya is irrelevant while in Tz is something holding water. Likewise, if you talk about tribalism in kenya is relevant while in Tz is crap, pumba.

A pokot classmate of mine, told me that the eac is for other tribes like kikuyu. This simply shows how tribalism is relevant for you.

I remain.
eliakeem.

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Please stop with all that stuff you talk about tribalism in Kenya, thats sh*t is so 2007, look for something else to say about us, hell, you make it sound like Kenyans cant stand each other. Thats why at times I ignore your comments, there is a very high probability (93.3%) that you, Eliakeem, has never met a Kenyan in person, the only contact you have had with kenyans its here in this forums (and I know some of us give a bad impression about how Kenyans are, but am just enjoying my freedom of speech). Get out of your comfort zone hapo Moshi utembee and interact with people from oother countries (zenj daent count) and maybe you will have a different opinion about us.

Smatta said:

Please stop with all that stuff you talk about tribalism in Kenya, thats sh*t is so 2007, look for something else to say about us, hell, you make it sound like Kenyans cant stand each other. Thats why at times I ignore your comments, there is a very high probability (93.3%) that you, Eliakeem, has never met a Kenyan in person, the only contact you have had with kenyans its here in this forums (and I know some of us give a bad impression about how Kenyans are, but am just enjoying my freedom of speech). Get out of your comfort zone hapo Moshi utembee and interact with people from oother countries (zenj daent count) and maybe you will have a different opinion about us.

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teh, teh, teh!!!!!
For your info, i've been interacting with kyns for long both inside and outside africa and the things that they tell me is that, we, kenyans we are tribalists. things which you, Smatta keep on declining.

Nyaralego said:

Geza Ulole...it is amazing to see the caliber/level of your thinking and reasoning.
If this is crap why are indulging in it? remember the old adage that says "if you lie down with dogs you get fleas"...
If you are here contributing to this "crap" as you call it, you are definitely gonna stink ...then what does that make you?

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Then stop censoring us! read my comments and none of them insults anyone!

eliakeem said:

Ask yourself which upbuilding and constructive idea you have contributed, then you will have the right to say that.

You quoted something which I have not asserted. Kindly, revisit your post.

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Na Wewe je?
What thread and constructive debate have you contributed to in this forum?
Free Speech says that I have the right to say whatever it is i want to say.
I did not qoute any thing...this so tedious, looking to argue for the heck of it.
It seems to me that all you want to do is attack any posting I make. Do I make you nervous?

Nyaralego said:

Na Wewe je?
What thread and constructive debate have you contributed to in this forum?
Free Speech says that I have the right to say whatever it is i want to say.
I did not qoute any thing...this so tedious, looking to argue for the heck of it.
It seems to me that all you want to do is attack any posting I make. Do I make you nervous?

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You sound very fresh in the Jukwaa la Jamii. I dont need and see the point to prove to you what I've put in this forum.


But what I can tell you is

• Stop to be father of impunity.
• Stop corruption.
• Stop tribalism.
• Stop mungiki.
• Stop grabbing land (and any sort of injustice) from weaker ones.
• Stop thinking that Nairobi (particularly upper hill) represents the scene of entire kny.
• Stop being greedy.
• Stop being the good example of the effects of the colonialism.
• Stop leaving your economy (major means of production) in the hands of few individuals.
• Stop nepotism.

These are known as TEN S, observe them as thou.

eliakeem said:

You sound very fresh in the Jukwaa la Jamii. I dont need and see the point to prove to you what I've put in this forum.

Do not stereotype and do not make assumptions about me!!! You have no Idea.
I too do not have to prove or justify anything to you. Im glad we seem to to agree on this fact.

And just to allay your fears and curiosity, I have been in this here forum for a while now. Contributing kweli kweli!!! chipping in kwa wingi.

Just so you know, trying to intimidate and ridicule me is an excercise in futility




But what I can tell you is

• Stop to be father of impunity. I will give you an answer later let me think on this one huh!
• Stop corruption. If I stop this, how do you expect me to make a living? shame on you!
• Stop tribalism. Why? My tribe is the best ever...
• Stop mungiki. Our weapon of Choice is the Machete so watch your back
• Stop grabbing land (and any sort of injustice) from weaker ones. Who says I am not the weaker one? I am the weaker one!
• Stop thinking that Nairobi (particularly upper hill) represents the scene of entire kny. Not Upperhill try Westlands.
• Stop being greedy. "No, greed is the way foward
• Stop being the good example of the effects of the colonialism. Haha haha haha, remove the log in your eye first. "If you live in a glass house don't throw stones"!!

Stop leaving your economy (major means of production) in the hands of few individuals. I guess in your country your economy is in your hand and you still have time to write your vitriol?!! No wonder?

• Stop nepotism. If I do not employ my relas (Relatives)who will?

These are known as TEN S, observe them as thou.

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You too can as well observe that "stop" "stuff" you have written up there.

eliakeem said:

Kwa Kwa Kwaaaaa!!!!!!!!
You r greey, coz every 6th person in your land is totaly obsessed with the mind of yangu yangu!!! If you remember your history well you'l concur with me. Is Kenyatta who mode you like that. You r now haunting.

Again, If you are really Aggresive, Smart, Ambitious, Innovative etc...
you could take back your land which is on the hands of very few of you leaving a lot of your people dirtly slumming, squarting and tenting along the roads, etc. Hamna cha agressive wala nini, hapo ni wizi mtupu, grabbing from the marginalised ones.

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buddy leave these greedy people alone, now they have taken Tingatinga art and made theirs (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8476571.stm)
That's the creativeness he is proud about! They even swim on Makonde Art forgetting numerous antiquetes from Tanzania lying in Nairobi Museum for years since they have been reluctant to sign International treaties that could have forced them to return them to Tanzania

Nyaralego said:

You too can as well observe that "stop" "stuff" you have written up there.

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Nyaralego, please learn how to use quotes. dont reply, add, or do anything on quotes.
For more info contact mod.

eliakeem said:

You sound very fresh in the Jukwaa la Jamii. I dont need and see the point to prove to you what I've put in this forum.


But what I can tell you is

• Stop to be father of impunity.
• Stop corruption.
• Stop tribalism.
• Stop mungiki.
• Stop grabbing land (and any sort of injustice) from weaker ones.
• Stop thinking that Nairobi (particularly upper hill) represents the scene of entire kny.
• Stop being greedy.
• Stop being the good example of the effects of the colonialism.
• Stop leaving your economy (major means of production) in the hands of few individuals.
• Stop nepotism.

These are known as TEN S, observe them as thou.

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My rule of thumb is always HUSTLE BY ANY MEANS.. what counts to me is how much money you can accumulate at the end of the day, it doesnt matter what trade you induldge in, as long as women, children, the poor, and elderly are not in your scope. So Eliakeem stop with your self righteousness, its not as if Tanzanians arent greedy gauging by the extent they go to get money (killing Albinos, witchcraft, robbery etc). Tafuta pesa ndugu yangu uwache kelele, soma kwanza lakini kisha uje ubishane na wakuu, I have this feeling we arguing with school children.

So Kenya has no witchcraft? and no incidence of killing minors in the name of witchcraft (how many kids disappear in Kenya everyday)? how many kids are forced into prostitution if not homosexuality practices everyday at the Coast? Learn to have fair arguments my friend and arguing for the sake of just winning

Geza ulole said:

So Kenya has no witchcraft? and no incidence of killing minors in the name of witchcraft (how many kids disappear in Kenya everyday)? how many kids are forced into prostitution if not homosexuality practices everyday at the Coast? Learn to have fair arguments my friend and arguing for the sake of just winning

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dont get me out of context, o was replying to eliakeem, and if you read what I had quoted before replying, then maybe you would have smelled my cologne.

Smatta said:

dont get me out of context, o was replying to eliakeem, and if you read what I had quoted before replying, then maybe you would have smelled my cologne.

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Typical of you, that is all you can say "would have smelled your colon"! are you a homo or what? Do i smell something here i hate most here?
check here www.moiracolonicclinic.com/questions.htm and tell me why should i smell your colon? a brave man like me? ohoo Plssssss don't go there! hell NO!!!!!