After deduction zamifuko ya jamii na tax you remain with 35,000 almost to 700,000/= Ambayo mimi hiyo nikenda nayo High spirit au Runway just for a weekend narudi bila change. Cause one bucket of drinks will cost me 250,000/=. Nikinunua mbili?? Hiyo sio pesa. A degree holder huku wanalipwa hadi 6 million. Kuna rafiki yangu ni geologist wa kampuni moja hapa TZ pia degree holder analipwa 12 million mpishi wao analipwa 1 million. Poor Kenya alafu unajilinganisha na TZ kwenye mishahara. Huku kunawatu wanalipwa pesa kicha mishahara in terms of dollars.50,000 KSh is poor??? hehe...my friend you dont know what poor means...10,000 ksh house is poor?? KSH 50,000 is like $500 USD...not very bad...even with the deductions...well it may be lower than what other degree holders make in developed countries but it is far from poor...whoever wrote that article is crazy...
After deduction zamifuko ya jamii na tax you remain with 35,000 almost to 700,000/= Ambayo mimi hiyo nikenda nayo High spirit au Runway just for a weekend narudi bila change. Cause one bucket of drinks will cost me 250,000/=. Nikinunua mbili?? Hiyo sio pesa. A degree holder huku wanalipwa hadi 6 million. Kuna rafiki yangu ni geologist wa kampuni moja hapa TZ pia degree holder analipwa 12 million mpishi wao analipwa 1 million. Poor Kenya alafu unajilinganisha na TZ kwenye mishahara. Huku kunawatu wanalipwa pesa kicha mishahara in terms of dollars.50,000 KSh is poor??? hehe...my friend you dont know what poor means...10,000 ksh house is poor?? KSH 50,000 is like $500 USD...not very bad...even with the deductions...well it may be lower than what other degree holders make in developed countries but it is far from poor...whoever wrote that article is crazy...
kwanza, change those TSH to dollars...ukiniambia 25,000 inanunua drink pekee yake unanichanganya...250,000 kenya inanunua gari....kisha my point is not that 500 dollars is a lot......infact, i think it is very little for a degree holder given the investments he made to get that degree in school..my point is that it does not fall under being poor...in essence, saying that a person who makes 500 dollars is poor is wrong..this guy can afford a decent home...he can afford decent food...he can afford to pay for HELB loans....that is not the definition of poverty...referr to the title and tell me if it is not exaggerationAfter deduction zamifuko ya jamii na tax you remain with 35,000 almost to 700,000/= Ambayo mimi hiyo nikenda nayo High spirit au Runway just for a weekend narudi bila change. Cause one bucket of drinks will cost me 250,000/=. Nikinunua mbili?? Hiyo sio pesa. A degree holder huku wanalipwa hadi 6 million. Kuna rafiki yangu ni geologist wa kampuni moja hapa TZ pia degree holder analipwa 12 million mpishi wao analipwa 1 million. Poor Kenya alafu unajilinganisha na TZ kwenye mishahara. Huku kunawatu wanalipwa pesa kicha mishahara in terms of dollars.
Ulitaka alieandakia article aipike kidogo. Tunajua mnaongoza kwa viwanda vya cook figures. Huyo ni mkenya mwenzako mzalendo.50,000 KSh is poor??? hehe...my friend you dont know what poor means...someone who lives in a 10,000 KSH ($100) house is poor?? by the way, KSH 50,000 is like $500 USD...even with the deductions. it does not fall under poverty...poor is that person who cannot even afford food and rely on food aid in Turkana....or that someone living in a Nairobi slum...or anyone who doesn't know how he is going to eat tonight....Well, 500 dollars may be lower than what other degree holders make in developed countries like USA or Germany but it is far from poor...whoever wrote that article is crazy...the title should have read...Why do most degree holders in Kenya make so little? and even that would be exaggerating since senators, CEOs, MPs, Governors and other leaders have degrees and they arent even close to being poor...the truth is, many people in Kenya are paid very low income and this is the same in most developing nations...and thats why they are called 'developing nations'
what does cooking figures have to do with this article? hehe...sindano nikama imeingia..huna hoja..mimi nataka u prove hili...how can a person who makes 500 dollars a month be poor..remember 500 dollars per month is 6000 dollars every year..that is South Africa's per capita income...Ulitaka alieandakia article aipike kidogo. Tunajua mnaongoza kwa viwanda vya cook figures. Huyo ni mkenya mwenzako mzalendo.
After deduction zamifuko ya jamii na tax you remain with 35,000 almost to 700,000/= Ambayo mimi hiyo nikenda nayo High spirit au Runway just for a weekend narudi bila change. Cause one bucket of drinks will cost me 250,000/=. Nikinunua mbili?? Hiyo sio pesa. A degree holder huku wanalipwa hadi 6 million. Kuna rafiki yangu ni geologist wa kampuni moja hapa TZ pia degree holder analipwa 12 million mpishi wao analipwa 1 million. Poor Kenya alafu unajilinganisha na TZ kwenye mishahara. Huku kunawatu wanalipwa pesa kicha mishahara in terms of dollars.
this is exactly my point...so how the hell is someone who makes KSH 50,000 shillings poor??? poor is not the word to use here...we can use the word in Kibera or Turkana but not in this discussion...if you call this guy poor, then what will you refer to a Turkana guy I saw on the news who has 7 children, 3 of whom are still toddlers and doesnt know how to feed them?Utakuwa unaishi Tanzania ya Burundi. Mshahara uliokuwa quoted hapo unazidi what most graduates earn in Tanzania. Mathalani hiyo 35000Ksh ambayo umeiweka kuwa equivalent to 700,000 Tsh ni zaidi ya mshahara (gross pay) unaolipwa to graduates walioko public sector especially local government kwenye kada za ualimu, arts na hata business.
Ulichoquote kama mshahara wa 12 M kwa graduate inawezekana inalipwa kwa 1 tu among 1000 graduates.
Mkuu nimechukua 35,000 Kenyan na kuigeuza kwenye TZ ambayo ni 700,000. Nikasema ice bucket moja ya drinks huku TZ haiwezi ni cost chini ya 250,000. Nikiagiza tatu pesa imekwisha. Ice bucket nayo ongelea hiyo apo chini. Mimi sinywagi Changaa.kwanza, change those TSH to dollars...ukiniambia 25,000 inanunua drink pekee yake unanichanganya...250,000 kenya inanunua gari....kisha my point is not that 500 dollars is a lot......infact, i think it is very little for a degree holder given the investments he made to get that degree in school..my point is that it does not fall under being poor...in essence, saying that a person who makes 500 dollars is poor is wrong..this guy can afford a decent home...he can afford decent food...he can afford to pay for HELB loans....that is not the definition of poverty...
kuna watu Kenya pia wanalipwa in dollars...mfano mimi hapa...kisha unaifananisha kenya na tz...let me remind you...After deduction zamifuko ya jamii na tax you remain with 35,000 almost to 700,000/= Ambayo mimi hiyo nikenda nayo High spirit au Runway just for a weekend narudi bila change. Cause one bucket of drinks will cost me 250,000/=. Nikinunua mbili?? Hiyo sio pesa. A degree holder huku wanalipwa hadi 6 million. Kuna rafiki yangu ni geologist wa kampuni moja hapa TZ pia degree holder analipwa 12 million mpishi wao analipwa 1 million. Poor Kenya alafu unajilinganisha na TZ kwenye mishahara. Huku kunawatu wanalipwa pesa kicha mishahara in terms of dollars.
haya, baada ya kubadilisha hizo pesa kuwa dollars naona bado huna pointi yoyote...wewe una bahati unkunywa za bei ghali...i think thats ur point...but what about other tanzanians? ama kweli mwenye shibe hamjui mwenye njaa...naona una assume that all tanzanians drink expensive liquor kama wewe...that is naive...the fact that you have eaten something tonight, doesnt mean that all Tanzanians have also eaten...kuna wengi wamelala njaa...same to Kenyans..Similarly, the fact that you think that 50,000 ksh is what poor people make does not mean that that is what other Tanzanians think...kuna wengi wanatamani wangekuwa wana tengeneza pesa hizo..tumeelewana mkuu?Mkuu nimechukua 35,000 Kenyan na kuigeuza kwenye TZ ambayo ni 700,000. Nikasema ice bucket moja ya drinks huku TZ haiwezi ni cost chini ya 250,000. Nikiagiza tatu pesa imekwisha. Ice bucket nayo ongelea hiyo apo chini. Mimi sinywagi Changaa.View attachment 555684
Mimi hapo naongelea private sector cause sijawahi Fanya mwenye government sector. Japo wengi wanasema government unakuwa more secure nakuna incentives nyingi sana. Kuna watu wako serikalini mishahara yao wala hawajui kama imeingia au haija ingia. Una ambiwa certificate holder wa tanesco anaingiza pesa nzuri sanaaa kuliko unavyoweza kufikili.Utakuwa unaishi Tanzania ya Burundi. Mshahara uliokuwa quoted hapo unazidi what most graduates earn in Tanzania. Mathalani hiyo 35000Ksh ambayo umeiweka kuwa equivalent to 700,000 Tsh ni zaidi ya mshahara (gross pay) unaolipwa to graduates walioko public sector especially local government kwenye kada za ualimu, arts na hata business.
Ulichoquote kama mshahara wa 12 M kwa graduate inawezekana inalipwa kwa 1 tu among 1000 graduates.
IPI hiyo per capital income unaongelea. Hebu kula evidence nyingine. Acha kuongelea cooked figures.kuna watu Kenya pia wanalipwa in dollars...mfano mimi hapa...kisha unaifananisha kenya na tz...let me remind you...
Kenya is richer than tz...our per capita income is almost twice urs...our GDP is also higher than ur GDP...kwa hiyo kama mkenya wa kawaida anatengeneza 50,000 ($500), mtanzania wa kawaida atatengeneza nini? will it be higher or lower? tumia akili mkuu..Kenya has many problems...many poor people...but this 50,000 shillings guy is not poor...tuseme tu ukweli
Umeisoma hiyo article vizuri. Au unakulupukaAta million 10 ukiipeleka kwenye starehe hazitoshi...sioni tatizo lolote mtu kupata laki 7 za TZ au 35000 ksh kwa upande wa pili,laki saba ni pesa nyingi kama utaipeleka kwenye matumizi ya msingi, izo pombe haziko katika mahitaji ya msingi ya binadamu,laki 7 unaweza pata chumba na sebule kwa sh 150000 tsh,ukanunua cooking gas 18000tsh ukanunua vyakula na nauli na bia ukanywa nyingi tu...sioni tatizo lolote japo sio pesa ya kujikweza nayo....kama wewe ni graduate nategemea iyo laki saba izae pesa zingine haiwezekan uridhike nayo the whole year ndio monthly income yako....unaweza usielewe lakini graduate wengi hupata laki 6 tsh na inakatwa mpaka wanatoka na 480k tsh na bado wanafanya mambo ya msingi kipitia vipato vingine vidogo vidogo, graduate wanaopata zaidi ya laki 6 tsh mara nyingi ni waliosoma science Au kozi za biashara na apate kazi kwenye kampuni au mashirika...izo pesa ni ndogo kuzitamka lakini kuzifanyia kazi uzipate sio jambo dogo
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hapo tz wameweka 49 billion...kenya GDP is 75 billion and was 69 billion in 2016...it was 63 in 2015...ina maana GDP yenu ya 2017 iko ndogo kuliko GDP yetu ya 2013...yaani unachekesha kweli...usifananishe Kenya na TZ...kisha kumbuka nyie ni wengi kutuliko zaidi ya watu 5 million...hiyo listi sijui umeitengeneza wewe sababu sioni Kenya pale..IPI hiyo per capital income unaongelea. Hebu kula evidence nyingine. Acha kuongelea cooked figures.View attachment 555688View attachment 555689
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Don't talk about Kenyan GDP in public ni aibu. Kaa kimia kabisa. It is cooked at a highest level.haya, baada ya kubadilisha hizo pesa kuwa dollars naona bado huna pointi yoyote...wewe una bahati unkunywa za bei ghali...i think thats ur point...but what about other tanzanians? ama kweli mwenye shibe hamjui mwenye njaa...naona una assume that all tanzanians drink expensive liquor kama wewe...that is naive...the fact that you have eaten something tonight, doesnt mean that all Tanzanians have also eaten...kuna wengi wamelala njaa...same to Kenyans..Similarly, the fact that you think that 50,000 ksh is what poor people make does not mean that that is what other Tanzanians think...kuna wengi wanatamani wangekuwa wana tengeneza pesa hizo..tumeelewana mkuu?