Why Magufuli has a shot on wooing Uganda to join his SGR


Which Kenya? The one that lost a close to US $ 4 bln pipeline project to lazy LCD Tanzania n one that fails to get neither South Sudan nor Uganda onboard for her medieval cum stoneage white elephant SGR project that costs her economy the whole arm n leg [emoji23] [emoji115] !

BTW is there anything that Kenya stand alone as a country has done it right? In comparison to Uhuru's globetrotting, Magufuli has done only 2 trips to Uganda, he has a pipeline project n now a Port Bell-Mwanza cargo route in his bag to the central corridor.
 
Haha as expected. These days it doesn't take 3 or 4 conversations with a tanzania about competition b4 a tz using the pipeline as a defence.
You took a pipeline project from us and suddenly all of you have created the illusion that you can beat Kenya at this game of thrones... The loss of the pipeline was Total's doing not Tz,


Uganda and Sudan have much in common, culturally, physically (bigger border) historically...their cities are also close to Ug than Kenyan cities... They have people to people relation and a big informal trade routes compaited to Kenya,

But on official trade (the ones that governments collect tax on) Kenya was doing better than Uganda in trading with SS untill recently, this is despite the fact that Kenya doesn't even have a direct road link with SS, our trade and their imports from Kenya go through Uganda,

Now with this new road connecting with the new port in Lamu, the road will have minimal traffic compared to other roads currently being used, That would mean S.S imports will virtually be a few ours away from the port instead of days...

Uganda can involve itself in the business of 'controlling' SS all she wants, but watch this space, in a few year Kenya will take back the reins of being the largest formal trading partner with SS
 
Or u want to argue on KQ that is minting losses day n night n will even mint more by next year when Qatari n the Emirates finalize a deal to build a 2 mln+ passenger terminal the only left facility at Mwanza International Airport to serve as a hub to great lakes region countries.
 
How do u sort out Al Shaabab? And a port in disputed territorial waters? What if Somalia wins the case at the International court? Won't Kenya be forced to pay a fee to any ship plying to Lamu as will be violating Somalia's territorial economic zone? Sorry but Kenya is really screwed up! Reason being lack of planning n deliberated poor planning in disguise of being aggressive.
 
Hehe, that wont kill KQ, both airlines (KQ and M.east carriers fly to Nairobi and also to Tz, so they would have killed KQ long time ago if we were to think that way)
If your statement is true then the only company dying will be your innocent virgin in the name of ATCL, I mean who would bother using ATCL if his majesty's King Emirate will be flying them to any regional country in the great lakes through their new hub. Even a typical Tanzanian with bother using ATCL if he can use a luxury Qatar airways to connect from Mwanza to any destination in the great lakes or inyernationally
 
We have been through worse odds and came out on top of the region, Next!
 
Kafrican said:
We have been through worse odds and came out on top of the region, Next!
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Usidanganye, Kenya haijawahi kufika hapa ilipo hivi sasa. Kenya haina uwezo wa kuvimbisha msuli kwa Tanzania hata kidogo, soma article za David Ndii utajua hili ninalokuambia, Tanzania hakuanza kujenga uchumi kwanza, ilianza na kujenga umoja wa kitaifa na kufuatiwa na kuzikomboa nchi za kusini mwa Afrika, wakati wote huo Kenya ilikuwa inajenga uchumi wake, sasa hivi nchi zote zinajenga uchumi, unaona kinachojitokeza?, uchumi wa Kenya unatetereka wakati wa Tanzania una paa kwa kasi kubwa
 
Ours isn't suffering from a debt worthing US$ 1 bln! And u would be stupid to think someone in Eastern Congo will bypass Mwanza to Nairobi on his/her quest to fly overseas!
 
Geza Ulole said:
n after Germany's Kfz gave
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Kfz= Kraftfahrzeug, =Car

Hiyo paragraphy yenye maandishi Germany's Kfz gave them funds, irudie tena taratibu .Gari gani ya ujerumani imetoa fedha Volkswagen,Benz,Opel au MAN?
Je gari inaweza toa funds ? Au ni Germany Kfz Manufacturer?
 
Geza Ulole said:
Ours isn't suffering from a debt worthing US$ 1 bln! And u would be stupid to think someone in Eastern Congo will bypass Mwanza to Nairobi on his/her quest to fly overseas!
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Let's wait n see! Just like what I said bypass Nairobi to Mwanza as the route will be shorter n cheaper!
 
Chakochangu said:

Kfz= Kraftfahrzeug, =Car

Hiyo paragraphy yenye maandishi Germany's Kfz gave them funds, irudie tena taratibu .Gari gani ya ujerumani imetoa fedha Volkswagen,Benz,Opel au MAN?
Je gari inaweza toa funds ? Au ni Germany Kfz Manufacturer?
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Kampala borrows $48m to build inland port on shores of Lake Victoria

The project, which is part of the Central Corridor Development Programme, aims to secure an alternative way of providing efficient transport systems, says minister.

A section of the Bukasa land that will house the inland port on the shores of Lake Victoria. PHOTO | FILE

BY DICTA ASIIMWE

IN SUMMARY

Uganda has borrowed $48 million from two German banks to construct an inland port at Bukasa on the shores of Lake Victoria, in a move that is aimed at widening the database of non-concessional lenders.AKA Bank and Commerzbank AG are the two German banks that have lent Uganda the money to construct Bukasa port.But Dr Fred Muhumuza, an economist and former advisor to the Ministry of Finance said Bukasa is not an economically viable port as it is reportedly shallow, and will require a lot of dredging, before it can be used by big modern ships.

Uganda has borrowed $48 million from two German banks to construct an inland port at Bukasa on the shores of Lake Victoria, in a move that is aimed at widening the database of non-concessional lenders.

Over the past eight years, Uganda has invested heavily in infrastructure and the increasing cost and number of projects has caused the country to look beyond concessional lenders like the World Bank, African Development Bank and Western governments to China, which had become a popular option.

But reports of Chinese reluctance appear to have forced Uganda to look at other institutions that can provide funding for infrastructure. These include the German banks which are now showing interest in lending more to Uganda.

Speaking at the signing ceremony of the Bukasa port loan agreement, Doris Icke, the senior vice president for European Export and Trade Bank (AKA Bank) said the new deal represented an opportunity for Uganda to access funding for other projects in future. AKA Bank and Commerzbank AG are the two German banks that have lent Uganda the money to construct Bukasa port.

The loan will be paid back within 15 years, at an interest rate of the Eurobond average rate plus 1.8 per cent. At the moment, this translates into an interest rate of 2 per cent, per annum. Uganda will provide $8.5 million in counterpart funding to make a total project cost of $56.4 million.


“The project, which is part of the Central Corridor Development Programme aims to secure an alternative way of providing efficient transport systems between Uganda and the world markets,” said Finance Minister Matia Kasaija, during the signing ceremony of the loan agreement.

But Dr Fred Muhumuza, an economist and former advisor to the Ministry of Finance said Bukasa is not an economically viable port as it is reportedly shallow, and will require a lot of dredging, before it can be used by big modern ships.

This will increase the cost of construction, yet it is not a strategic port since Uganda exports and imports less through Dar es Salaam — about 80 per cent of Uganda’s international trade goes through Mombasa port.

Having borrowed at least $3.3 billion in non-concessional financing from China Exim bank for infrastructure project but some experts including some of the lenders, suggest that Uganda needs to slow down debt acquisition.

Sources that attended meetings to negotiate financing for the standard gauge railway-another China funded project, say that there are jitters over Uganda’s capacity to back pay this money.

As a result, the Chinese told Ugandan representatives negotiating financing for the Malaba-Kampala section of the Standard Gauge railway that the country should look at options to reduce cost from the current $2 billion.

Kampala borrows $48m to build inland port on shores of Lake


 
Geza Ulole said:
Ours isn't suffering from a debt worthing US$ 1 bln! And u would be stupid to think someone in Eastern Congo will bypass Mwanza to Nairobi on his/her quest to fly overseas!
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The hub I was talking about in that reply was the supposedly new hub of Mwanza, if Qatar n Emirates will build their own terminal they would want to use it exclusively.. Therefore only Qatar n Emirates will be having a 'hub' in mwanza, other international airlines will be business as usual,


So the only airline that is bound to suffer more is a young tanzanian atcl trying to make it like when experienced superstars like Emirates live in the neighborhood, anywhere they go people want a selfy with them.
KQ is making loss but the number of passengers being carried through KQ have been increasing over the years to 4 million plus perssengers
 
Ohk so u r sure only Qatar Airways n Emirates, how about Fly Dubai, Turkish Airlines, KLM, Omanair, Edelweiss, Mango, Condor, ET n many other that are already flying to other airports aside Dar? BTW have u realized I meant Qatari n the Emirates governments?
 
hizi ni story ziliamzishwa na CCM tokea kitambo sana ili kudanyanya danganyikan people...

He statistics say otherwise, uchumi zetu zimekua zikiachana na kurudiana kihistoria, lakini siku zote Kenya ilibaki kushikilia uskani tena




Up to 1969, Kenya had its worst drought ever recorded in igs history, the drought lasted 12 years! The country lost 70% of all its cattles. With the norther sides of kenya from Isiolo upwards loosing as much as 85% of all animals.

In 1999-2000 we had another drought so bad to a point that when it was over animals had to be bought from somewhere else and given to herders to start over.

While all this was happening, we were having a fight of our lives for multiparty democracy with violence worse than anything you have seen.

In 1976, we had no relations with Uganda because of idi amin, by '77 EAC broke off and we lost all our relations with neighbouring countries, Sudan was still recentfull about ilemi triangle, Somalia was in cold war mode with Kenya over her territory.


In the 90's up to early 2000s the anglo leasing scandle crippled the Kenyan economy, the government became chnically broke!


Oh and I almost forgot, in early 90's we had worse political violence than the one experienced in 2007, and that violent streek continued till 2000.

So kama we mototo uliejua ku google hivi majuzi unafikiri kenya haijawahi ua hali mbaya zaidi, think again!

Tumepitia hali mbaya zaidi tena sana, wazee wa kitambo wakiamka leo wataanza kutucheka wakiona talalamika eti hali ni mbaya
 
In 1984 Tanzania GDP was bigger than Kenya and some years back!
 
Kama ni hivyo unavyosema wewe basi uchumi wa Kenya ni dhahifu sana, kwasababu Tanzania imekuwa ikifanya mambo mengi katika kipindi cha Nyerere ambayo yalisababisha uchumi usikue kwa kasi, sasa iweje hata katika kipindi hicho bado uchumi wa Tanzania ulikuwa unaweza kupambana na Kenya?, au ndiyo sababu sasa hivi Tanzania uchumi wake unafanya vizuri sana kwasababu vita vya ukombozi vimekwisha na kazi ya kujenga umoja wa kitaifa ambayo Kenya imeshindwa kabisa kujenga umoja, utu na usawa miongoni mwa raia wake imeshindwa kabisa na kubaki kuwa miongoni mwa nchi hatari, yenye kiwango kikubwa cha watu masikini, na ukabila uliopitiliza?

Hivi ni nchi gani bora, ile ambayo imetumia muda mwingi kujenga umoja wa kitaifa na sasa Taifa halina matabaka ya watu, wala hakuna hatari ya nchi kusambaratika, nchi haina umasikini, wala haina madeni, na nchi yenye kila aina ya uovu na umasikini kama Kenya, ila tu kwakuwa GDP ipo juu?
 
Hii statistics uliyotumia, japo sijui chimbuko na uhalali wake, lakini nitaitumia hivyo hivyo kukuonyesha ni kwa jinsi gani uchumi wa Kenya hauna ubavu wa kupambana na Tanzania,
1) Kenya hata kabla ya Uhuru, wakoloni walijenga viwanda na kuendeleza Kenya kuliko Tanzania na Uganda, iweje Uchumi wa Kenya ulingane na Tanzania katika miaka ya 70?
2)Mwaka 1967 Tanzania ilianzisha Azimio la Arusha na kuifanya siasa ya ujamaa kuwa dira ya Tanzania, nchi za Ulaya na Marekani zilisimamisha mitaji yao kuingia nchini na kukataa kuzinunua bidhaa za Tanzani, Kenya ikawa imekumbatiwa na nchi za wazungu, iweje bado uchumi wa Tanzania na Kenya uwe unalingana miaka ya 70?, au mlikuwa mnabebwa lakini hamsaidiliki?
3)Kuanzia miaka ya 80 hadi 90 mara tu baada ya vita vya Uganda, uchumi wa Tanzania ulishuka sana, ule wa Kenya uliendelea kukua, mbona baadae Tanzania ilirudi kuisogelea Kenya ammbayo haijawahi kuwa na vita, wala kuwekewa vikwazo baridi na nchi za wazungu?
 
Eh, kweli CCM iliwakoroga vibaya sana na hizi propaganda za Ujamaa, yani point inakukodolea macho lakini bado hauoni kitu.
Hio table unayoona hapo inadhirisha kwamba propaganda za CCM eti kwamba wazungu ndo waliachia kenya uchumi nu uongo mtupu manake miaka mitano baada ya kupata madaraka uchumi zetu zilikua sawa!

Kwahivyo Tanzania haina sababu yoyote ya kupeana kwanini uchumi wao ulidorora.

Kama ni Kukomboa nchi za Africa Naigeria,Algeria,Ethiopia,ghana zilifanya mengi zaidi ya Tz kukomboa Africa, leo hii Tanzania ndo iko nyuma pekee, kwahivyo hako kasababu tupilia mbali, kuna nchi kama Algeria na morroko au Egypt na Isreal zimekua na vita vikali tena vya kutisha lakini leo hii Uchumi wao unapaa.
Kwahivyo hizo sababu za watu wavivu usituletee kabisa
 
Ukabila umewafanya wakenya.kupoteza uwezo wa kufikiria, mtu kama unamthamini mzungu kuliko mweusi mwenzako kwa sababu ya kabila lake lazima upimwe akili.

Nimekueleza matukio mbalimbali tangu Tanzania ilipopata uhuru ambayo yalisababisha uchumi wa Tanzania kuzorota, yakiwemo kujenga umoja wa kitaifa kwanza badala ya kujenga uchumi, vita vya ukombozi kusini mwa Africa ambavyo ninyi mlijitenga na kuwakumbatia makaburu, na Azimio la Arusha lilizaa sia ya ujamaa ambayo wazungu hawakuipenda.

Kuhusu Wazungu kuiendeleza Kenya zaidi kuliko mataifa mengine, soma makala ya Dr.Ndii, mchumi maarufu sana duniani, sikiliza hotuba za Prof.Lumumba, hotuba za Raila, zote zinasema kuhusu hivyo, wewe unayekataa ni nani kuwazidi hao wote?
 
Umekosa hoja. Mwanzo enda ukasome hoja na hotuba za tundu lisu alafu ndo uje tuongee hoja za Raila na ndii ambaye ni chief strategist wa NASA coalition.

Sababu za uchumi wa kenya kutokua kwa kasi zaidi tangu zamani ziko nyingi tena tele, mifano ya ukame na vita nishakutolea, kuna wakati flani kwa miaka kumi mfululizo uchumi ilikua onakua btn 0.3% to 1%.... Kila nchi imekumbwa na matatizo lakini Kenya bado inaongoza kwasababu ya bidii, uvivu mwingi ndo unasumbua tz
 
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