Air Transport Contributes US$3.2bn per year to Kenya's GDP!

[Geza Ulole]

no one'stalking bout the black gold in Turkana

Tullow is exiting that insignificant amounts! they r just economically non feasible! Mind u by June, u should have exported first oil.

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[Mwanzi1]

As far as i know there has never been a Kenyan heading Safaricom. Even the board is controlled by Vodafone Plc. Prove me wrong..[emoji115]

Take an example of KQ, the moment Naikuni was given mandate to run procurement started to be channelled to mistresses pocket companies from cartering to Air hostess uniforms n so on.

The name outsourcing to incompetent companies that were being braid hand n leg of KQ become the order of the day! Wait for part II of the practice, it the turn of Permanent secretaries mistresses..[emoji23]

Meanwhile the likes of Kirubis will have a whole field of influence to play n guess what the next thing u hear is CK is the owner or he is divesting n then KQ crumbles...!

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Haha, damn African CEO's.

 

[Mwanzi1]

that is after KQ sold and leased out some of it's fleet. about the destinations, the airline has been striving to add the routes as outlined in their route network map for the year 2011-2021.
they want to fly to Europe, Asia, Australia,South America and the US of which so far they have gotten the toughest of them all.

If you have been checking up on the updates then you should know by now that the Kenyan banks agreed to convert the Debt owed by KQ to shares, making them the largest shareholders. KLM's shares are to significantly reduce to 13.7% from 27%
with the support by banks and government it shows there's hope for a U turn in KQ

KLM is in one foot IN one foot OUT mode. The Dutch company shares are not performing as they expected. What is happening now, GOK is trying so hard to keep KLM shares within Kenya rather than letting KLM sale them on an open market.

Look where KLM is spending her money,
Blockbuster deal: Delta, Air France, KLM and Virgin Atlantic eye alliance

 

[Mwanzi1]

what's the relationship between minerals and passenger size

Johannesburg was build and develop from minerals located nearby. Same as California,Texas, Sydney, Melbourne, Cambria and Queensland and so on.

 

[Livale]

Cooking data will not leave safe, lie doesn't pay KQ loss $258 million shrinking by $4.1 million from the year before.

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SAA lost $124 million the same year.

South African Airways Set for Fifth Loss as Insolvency Averted

Number of fleet between KQ and SAA

You comparing SAA 2016 loss with KQs 2015 loss and yet claim that I cooked data? I don't engage in gezanomics friend. 9mn passengers for your airport and a profit of $12bn for SAA don't just happen from nowhere
KQ makes Sh900m operating profit, six-month net loss down to Sh4.78 billion

And scroll down the very site you quoted and see KQ's retired fleet, a total of 23 planes. You did not contest the destinations because you saw it down the line of the report. I always try to never make up figures

 

[Livale]

Johannesburg was build and develop from minerals located nearby. Same as California,Texas, Sydney, Melbourne, Cambria and Queensland and so on.

And on the other hand, the vast mineral deposits of DRC (larger than US + EU economies), Venezuelan oil (worlds largest deposits), Mongolia, Chad's uranium etc haven't amounted to anything. Even Russia , despite being one of the most endowed nations is a power in decline, from world domination to emerging economy

Things don't always work out like we'd want them to

 

[Don YF]

KQ loss has been dropping every year.
If you bothered to read the financial statement or news reports, you would have found out that in the last financial year, for the first time in a while it posted a profit on the operations side.
The problem was certain loans that had to be paid. In 2 years max, the loans will be over and it will be profits as usual.

Meanwhile, ATCL with only 2 aircraft has refused to announce its financial position. Truth is that ATCL has been posting losses since day one and is only surviving through government money.

The KQ loans are going to be exchanged for equity, KLM is being elbowed out in the process, followed business news last week.

 

[Don YF]

KQ loss has been dropping every year.
If you bothered to read the financial statement or news reports, you would have found out that in the last financial year, for the first time in a while it posted a profit on the operations side.
The problem was certain loans that had to be paid. In 2 years max, the loans will be over and it will be profits as usual.

Meanwhile, ATCL with only 2 aircraft has refused to announce its financial position. Truth is that ATCL has been posting losses since day one and is only surviving through government money.

 

[Sammuel999]

geza njoooo hapa uone [emoji23][emoji23]

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[Geza Ulole]

And on the other hand, the vast mineral deposits of DRC (larger than US + EU economies), Venezuelan oil (worlds largest deposits), Mongolia, Chad's uranium etc haven't amounted to anything. Even Russia , despite being one of the most endowed nations is a power in decline, from world domination to emerging economy

Things don't always work out like we'd want them to

Magufuli is showing the way keep arguing...

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[Tz_one]

Ngoja niwambie ATCL itakuwa inatoa wapi pesa

Kuletwa kwa q400 ita improve regional routes amabzo mostly zinakuwa operated na Precision ...which is partly owned na KQ so competion itakua kubwa ..mind u ATC bei zao ziko chini

African Routes za via Nairobi na KQ
Via Kigali na Rwand
Na Via Joburg na KQ au SAA zitapungua
CS 300 zina range ya hadi 6000km
This means
Dar-Kinshasa instead of Dar-kigali -kinshasa or Dar -Nai-Kinshasa
Dar-Nai
Dar-entebe
Dar-Addis
Dar-lagos via
Dar-Harare instead of Dar-Nai-harare or Dar -joburg-harare
Dar-Lusaka
Dar-port luis
Dar-Cairo
Most of african regional routes can be operated with cs300 which is very efficient in fuel consumption among narrow body jet liners

Okay international routes
One Boeing 787 inajengwa ..bado we still want to buy another

With one 787
Beijing 3x a week via Dubai or Mumbai maybe ..hii route ina wa Tz wengi ambao hupanda emirates.ethiopian,kq,na fly dubai au Qatar

London 3x a week via any african country lets say Entebbe
At some point number of passengers using JNIA will rise with the development of ATCL which is developing

 

[Iconoclastes]

So what prevents Mbeya n Mwanza from not reaching the set capacity? Take example Mbeya n Songwe; massive iron ore n coal plus helium gas n graphite investments r current on different stages apart from connection to Selous GR n Ruaha NP. Mwanza itself is a city of over a mln inhabitants aside plenty of mining projects n not to forget the pipeline plus port for Uganda. Do u know gas investment alone in Mtwara n Lindu will be over US$ 30 bln?

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So, all that is what what will cause such a sudden and huge influx of passengers to your airports....

Get real man.

 

[kennedy0000]

Ngoja niwambie ATCL itakuwa inatoa wapi pesa

Kuletwa kwa q400 ita improve regional routes amabzo mostly zinakuwa operated na Precision ...which is partly owned na KQ so competion itakua kubwa ..mind u ATC bei zao ziko chini

African Routes za via Nairobi na KQ
Via Kigali na Rwand
Na Via Joburg na KQ au SAA zitapungua
CS 300 zina range ya hadi 6000km
This means
Dar-Kinshasa instead of Dar-kigali -kinshasa or Dar -Nai-Kinshasa
Dar-Nai
Dar-entebe
Dar-Addis
Dar-lagos via
Dar-Harare instead of Dar-Nai-harare or Dar -joburg-harare
Dar-Lusaka
Dar-port luis
Dar-Cairo
Most of african regional routes can be operated with cs300 which is very efficient in fuel consumption among narrow body jet liners

Okay international routes
One Boeing 787 inajengwa ..bado we still want to buy another

With one 787
Beijing 3x a week via Dubai or Mumbai maybe ..hii route ina wa Tz wengi ambao hupanda emirates.ethiopian,kq,na fly dubai au Qatar

London 3x a week via any african country lets say Entebbe
At some point number of passengers using JNIA will rise with the development of ATCL which is developing

You're disillusion if you think you'll get a slot in London (leave alone 3) anytime in the foreseeable future.
Tanzanians are simply not businessmen by nature. Therefore travel to other African countries from Dar is almost non-existent.
And their lies the problem. You will never convince an international businessman passing through Dar to abandon KQ or Ethiopian to board a funny looking aircraft to maybe Lagos or Harare.

Magufuli is getting ahead of himself. The problem is not lack of an airline. The problem is the lack of supporting numbers from Tanzanians to sustain a proper air industry.
Tanzanians are generally lazy and slow and lack the entrepreneurial spirit to invest in other countries. Even if ATCL buys 100 airplanes, they will sleep on the tarmac.

First thing is changing the national culture.

 

[Tz_one]

You're disillusion if you think you'll get a slot in London (leave alone 3) anytime in the foreseeable future.
Tanzanians are simply not businessmen by nature. Therefore travel to other African countries from Dar is almost non-existent.
And their lies the problem. You will never convince an international businessman passing through Dar to abandon KQ or Ethiopian to board a funny looking aircraft to maybe Lagos or Harare.

Magufuli is getting ahead of himself. The problem is not lack of an airline. The problem is the lack of supporting numbers from Tanzanians to sustain a proper air industry.
Tanzanians are generally lazy and slow and lack the entrepreneurial spirit to invest in other countries. Even if ATCL buys 100 airplanes, they will sleep on the tarmac.

First thing is changing the national culture.

How many flights does KQ operate to Dar ..
Doesnt it justify tht watu wengi wa Tz esp Dar wanatumia KQ kwenye regional flights za kwenda other African towns and cities

Kama AtCl itakuwa strong obvi wa Tz wote tutatumia ATCL for african routes

 

[kennedy0000]

How many flights does KQ operate to Dar ..
Doesnt it justify tht watu wengi wa Tz esp Dar wanatumia KQ kwenye regional flights za kwenda other African towns and cities

Kama AtCl itakuwa strong obvi wa Tz wote tutatumia ATCL for african routes

KQ does not survive because of Kenyans. Actually most Kenyans shun it because of the ticket prices.
The same way KQ can pull out of TZ and not feel a pinch.
KQ is what it is today because of its wide network and alliances with SkyTeam, which guarantees it passengers that would traditionally not choose it., e.g Britons, French or Germans.
The only alliance ATCL can dream of is with Air Uganda or Mogadishu express.

 

[Tz_one]

KQ does not survive because of Kenyans. Actually most Kenyans shun it because of the ticket prices.
The same way KQ can pull out of TZ and not feel a pinch.
KQ is what it is today because of its wide network and alliances with SkyTeam, which guarantees it passengers that would traditionally not choose it., e.g Britons, French or Germans.
The only alliance ATCL can dream of is with Air Uganda or Mogadishu express.

Tunaongea vitu viwili tofauti
Ethiopian airlines operates twice daily to Dar and KIA...
SAA Operates twice daily to
KQ ndo ucseme
So it means coming of ATCL will obvi decrease frequency in this other airlines

 

[Geza Ulole]

Ngoja niwambie ATCL itakuwa inatoa wapi pesa

Kuletwa kwa q400 ita improve regional routes amabzo mostly zinakuwa operated na Precision ...which is partly owned na KQ so competion itakua kubwa ..mind u ATC bei zao ziko chini

African Routes za via Nairobi na KQ
Via Kigali na Rwand
Na Via Joburg na KQ au SAA zitapungua
CS 300 zina range ya hadi 6000km
This means
Dar-Kinshasa instead of Dar-kigali -kinshasa or Dar -Nai-Kinshasa
Dar-Nai
Dar-entebe
Dar-Addis
Dar-lagos via
Dar-Harare instead of Dar-Nai-harare or Dar -joburg-harare
Dar-Lusaka
Dar-port luis
Dar-Cairo
Most of african regional routes can be operated with cs300 which is very efficient in fuel consumption among narrow body jet liners

Okay international routes
One Boeing 787 inajengwa ..bado we still want to buy another

With one 787
Beijing 3x a week via Dubai or Mumbai maybe ..hii route ina wa Tz wengi ambao hupanda emirates.ethiopian,kq,na fly dubai au Qatar

London 3x a week via any african country lets say Entebbe
At some point number of passengers using JNIA will rise with the development of ATCL which is developing

BTW fedha za second Dreamliner zimetengwa budget ya 2017-2018. Order ishawekwa

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[Geza Ulole]

You're disillusion if you think you'll get a slot in London (leave alone 3) anytime in the foreseeable future.
Tanzanians are simply not businessmen by nature. Therefore travel to other African countries from Dar is almost non-existent.
And their lies the problem. You will never convince an international businessman passing through Dar to abandon KQ or Ethiopian to board a funny looking aircraft to maybe Lagos or Harare.

Magufuli is getting ahead of himself. The problem is not lack of an airline. The problem is the lack of supporting numbers from Tanzanians to sustain a proper air industry.
Tanzanians are generally lazy and slow and lack the entrepreneurial spirit to invest in other countries. Even if ATCL buys 100 airplanes, they will sleep on the tarmac.

First thing is changing the national culture.

Kenyans r business minded yet u ruined KQ the moment a Kenyan was handled over! [emoji23] [emoji115]

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[Geza Ulole]

Tunaongea vitu viwili tofauti
Ethiopian airlines operates twice daily to Dar and KIA...
SAA Operates twice daily to
KQ ndo ucseme
So it means coming of ATCL will obvi decrease frequency in this other airlines

A thing me n Magufuli want so badly, no more better time than now when KQ languishes in loses year in year out [emoji23] [emoji115]

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[Mwanzi1]

You comparing SAA 2016 loss with KQs 2015 loss and yet claim that I cooked data? I don't engage in gezanomics friend. 9mn passengers for your airport and a profit of $12bn for SAA don't just happen from nowhere
KQ makes Sh900m operating profit, six-month net loss down to Sh4.78 billion

And scroll down the very site you quoted and see KQ's retired fleet, a total of 23 planes. You did not contest the destinations because you saw it down the line of the report. I always try to never make up figures

The loss figure are both from the FY of 2015-16, your just chose what you want to believe. Apparently 2017 report shows even bigger loss from what your claiming, the tune of kshs.10 billion.

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business...s-half-10-2bn-turn-around-strategy-takes-off/
http://www.hapakenya.com/2017/05/25/kenya-airways-posts-61-decline-losses-year-ended-march-2017/

Thanks to cost cutting of selling landing rights (which is shame because is not easy to obtain landing rights, look what Kenya did to Emirates). Even selling aircraft, which I'm not sure why airline was hugging dead assets for so long.

The number of aircraft I've shown you is the current one, this is how it stands today. When you count sold and leased aircraft's, that's what I call "cook data."