Atheism and other religions should be treated equally in Tanzania!

[descarte]

Tanzania is a secular state according to its constitution. This means that it does not have a state religion though most of its citizens do believe in some religions or any supernatural power. The acknowledgement of that fact by the constitution has implications in a Tanzanian democracy.

It implies that in Tanzania, the issues of religion are not the concern of public but rather private life. I agree that the government has no right to coerce people on issues of religion. It should let its citizens exercise their religious freedom.

In doing so the government will treat its citizens as mature moral beings. This maxim invokes the principles of equality and liberty which are essential in a democratic country.

However, the reality in Tanzania is quite distinct from understanding of this issue. In Tanzania at any government ceremony, most religious leaders from the main two religions(Islam and Christianity) are invited to pray a prayer in public.

This practice has been there for a long time and yet the government in doing so does not treat its people as equally important because it tries to show a certain religious life in public that is superior to others. For example, on such occasions, the government should know that in Tanzania the majority of people are Christians and Muslims but not all.

In Tanzania there are Hindus, traditional religion believers who are not recognized much by the government and atheists. In whatever the government does, it tries to show to the rest of the minority groups like Atheists, Hindus and traditional believers that the life of Christians or Muslims is superior to theirs in Tanzania.

It is time the government of Tanzania makes sure that it is neutral in religion. In this way, it is important to construe equality in different angles so that it makes the present democracy work well.

THE DISCUSSION IS OPEN!!I

 

[Donkey]

Thanks for bring this, but for Tanzanian is just far away

 

[descarte]

Thanks for bring this, but for Tanzanian is just far away

It is disgusting to see a politician appealing to some religious beliefs yet our country is secular.
I understand that it seems impossible in Tanzania but we can spearheaded this change and make this country more secular as it should.

 

[IGWE]

Ingekuwa ya kiswahili ningekuwa na kuchangia hapa.
Ila nasita kuchangia kwa uzito wake sababu ntakuwa kuna point nimemiss.....ntarudi baadae kidogo

Naunga mkono hoja kwa nguvu ya 5

 

[descarte]

Ingekuwa ya kiswahili ningekuwa na kuchangia hapa.
Ila nasita kuchangia kwa uzito wake sababu ntakuwa kuna point nimemiss.....ntarudi baadae kidogo

Naunga mkono hoja kwa nguvu ya 5

Pamoja sana ndugu
hamna shida hata kwa kiswahili
Tena ndio powaa zaidi

 

[itv]

Is atheism a religion?

 

[itv]

Haujielewi mleta Uzi,
Kaa chini utafakar kabla ya kuandika upuuzi

Servers mnazijaza ujinga, na upuuzi

Mchango wangu ni huo

 

[muxar]

Am allergic to this language but let me follow the rules.

Somehow i agree with you but let me ask a question.

you stated about the prayers given by the two religions during national events.
What would atheist like you say when he/she will be called for prayers?

 

[kamandawasua]

Am allergic to this language but let me follow the rules.

Somehow i agree with you but let me ask a question.

you stated about the prayers given by the two religions during national events.
What would atheist like you say when he/she will be called for prayers?

The point is in state/public events there should be no religion involved as the constitution does not acknowledge religion.

 

[kamandawasua]

Haujielewi mleta Uzi,
Kaa chini utafakar kabla ya kuandika upuuzi

Servers mnazijaza ujinga, na upuuzi

Mchango wangu ni huo

Mpumbavu hana lakusema zaidi ya Upumbavu. Na upumbavu hauna tiba.

 

[einstein newton]

Is atheism a religion?

definitely not!

religion is set of beliefs concerning the cause,nature and purpose of the universe especially when considered as creation of superhuman agency

but atheism is just doctrine that there is no God

so atheism is simply opposite of religion

 

[itv]

definitely not!

religion is set of beliefs concerning the cause,nature and purpose of the universe especially when considered as creation of superhuman agency

but atheism is just doctrine that there is no God

so atheism is simply opposite of religion

Mkuu iam interested in your search for knowledge,
Sorry for late replies but as from now iam answering your two concerns,
Thanks for patience

 

[itv]

definitely not!

religion is set of beliefs concerning the cause,nature and purpose of the universe especially when considered as creation of superhuman agency

but atheism is just doctrine that there is no God

so atheism is simply opposite of religion

Atheism ni kukana uwepo wa Mungu,
Kilichonifanya hasa niulize swali la kama kukana juu ya uwepo ni dini ni mleta Uzi kuomba usawa Kati ya dini zote, na hata kuomba kuondolewa kwa ushiriki Wa dini katika matukio ya kitaifa,

Concern yangu hapo ilikuwa ni vipi atheism ambayo kwa asilimia kama sio zote inategemea uwepo wa dini kutaka usawa na dini
Licha ya hilo serikali kutokuwa na dini haina maana watendaji Wa serikalini hawana dini, ndio maana viongozi wanaapishwa kabla ya kupewa majukumu

Hata hivyo atheism inaleta utengano katika jamii na taifa, kutokana na kupinga uwepo Wa Mungu, ambaye jamii na taifa linamtegemea kama alama ya umoja, bila ya imani juu ya uwepo wa Mungu Jamii yetu isingekuwa na umoja

 

[Kifyatu]

Tanzania is a secular state according to its constitution. This means that it does not have a state religion though most of its citizens do believe in some religions or any supernatural power. The acknowledgement of that fact by the constitution has implications in a Tanzanian democracy.

It implies that in Tanzania, the issues of religion are not the concern of public but rather private life. I agree that the government has no right to coerce people on issues of religion. It should let its citizens exercise their religious freedom.

In doing so the government will treat its citizens as mature moral beings. This maxim invokes the principles of equality and liberty which are essential in a democratic country. .................................

THE DISCUSSION IS OPEN!!I

I think instead of asking for EQUAL representation of religious beliefs in public gatherings, we should ask for an EQUITABLE representation (meaning that larger groups are recognized more than others).

Example: If we have a gathering of 100 people broken up into:
60 Christians
45 Muslims
1 Hindu
2 Pagans
2 Atheists,

maybe we should give Muslims and Christians equal times for prayers and none for the rest. I think if the other minority faiths come forward and ask for time to pray, they should be accorded some time but not necessarily equal to the major faiths.

 

[Kifyatu]

It is disgusting to see a politician appealing to some religious beliefs yet our country is secular.
I understand that it seems impossible in Tanzania but we can spearheaded this change and make this country more secular as it should.

The country is secular BUT not the people. Politicians need to show respect to the faiths of her citizens. Placating to the faithful is good politics.

 

[Kifyatu]

Ingekuwa ya kiswahili ningekuwa na kuchangia hapa.
Ila nasita kuchangia kwa uzito wake sababu ntakuwa kuna point nimemiss.....ntarudi baadae kidogo

Naunga mkono hoja kwa nguvu ya 5

Jamani ndugu zangu hii lugha ya Malkia ina umuhimu wake hasa nyakati hizi za soko la ushindani. Jitahidi kuizungumza na kuiandika na wala usijali kama utaivunjavunja vipande vipande. Ndio kujifunza kwenyewe huko.

Sasa kama unaiogopa halafu atokee mfanyibiashara kutoka kwa Madiba na kutaka muingie ubia, utafanyaje?

Jukwaa hili ni hususan kwa ajili hiyo. Tupo waMatumbi wenzio na kama utapotoka kidogo tutasaidiana. Kuna Wakenya majuha kabisa lakini wanapora ajira zetu eti tu kwa sababu wanaweza kuelewa na kujieleza Kizungu.

Gangamala mkuu.

Usinijibu hoja yangu hii kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Nataka ung'eng'e mtupu, sitaki mchezo - HAPA KAZI TU.

 

[Kifyatu]

Is atheism a religion?

Atheism is NOT a religion BUT it is a faith (belief) system. They believe that GOD does not exist.

Please note: NOT being religious is not synonymous to NOT being spiritual. All human being are spiritual in nature.

Examples:

• An atheist buys a lottery ticket and HOPES that he/she will be the lucky one to win the jackpot.
• Atheist child is very sick and all hospital treatments don't work. He tries a Sangoma HOPING for a cure.
• An Atheist student studies hard for a tough make-or-break exam. She goes to the exam room HOPING she finds what she studied for.

The HOPE side in all of us is our SPIRITUALITY, it has nothing to do with our belief in GOD or not.

For this reason Atheists do not pray (ask) for anything since there is no one to pray to. However, they may need equitable time to say something in a gathering (if you have a majority of atheists). They may want to wish (hope for) the president success in his endeavors - without invoking GOD.

 

[einstein newton]

Atheism ni kukana uwepo wa Mungu,
Kilichonifanya hasa niulize swali la kama kukana juu ya uwepo ni dini ni mleta Uzi kuomba usawa Kati ya dini zote, na hata kuomba kuondolewa kwa ushiriki Wa dini katika matukio ya kitaifa,

Concern yangu hapo ilikuwa ni vipi atheism ambayo kwa asilimia kama sio zote inategemea uwepo wa dini kutaka usawa na dini
Licha ya hilo serikali kutokuwa na dini haina maana watendaji Wa serikalini hawana dini, ndio maana viongozi wanaapishwa kabla ya kupewa majukumu

Hata hivyo atheism inaleta utengano katika jamii na taifa, kutokana na kupinga uwepo Wa Mungu, ambaye jamii na taifa linamtegemea kama alama ya umoja, bila ya imani juu ya uwepo wa Mungu Jamii yetu isingekuwa na umoja

you are wrong sir

we,as a society,we are guided by law of morality and not some sort of unseen force like aeon or the so called God

atheism do not break our brotherhood or peace,but contrary to atheism religions do

islamic state,israel&parestine are current examples

 

[Kifyatu]

Am allergic to this language but let me follow the rules.

Somehow i agree with you but let me ask a question.

you stated about the prayers given by the two religions during national events.
What would atheist like you say when he/she will be called for prayers?

BRAVO. However hard this language is, I would encourage you to keep using it. We need it now more than ever given that our competition and job sources rely more on English.
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Now to answer your question. Atheists do not PRAY to or ASK GOD for anything since to them GOD does not exist. However, they are also SPIRITUAL in nature just like all of us (I have explained this somewhere in this thread). They may want to WISH the nation prosperity.

NOTE: Wishing for something is different from Praying for something.

 

[ZaBeast]

It is disgusting to see a politician appealing to some religious beliefs yet our country is secular.
I understand that it seems impossible in Tanzania but we can spearheaded this change and make this country more secular as it should.

Real,mate?
Some religions teaches people to radicals and deal with pet things seriously

You once said it is secular then why do we need talk about it ?
I guess it clearly declared unless you feel offended that you think your religion in some ways somewhat isn't given priorities!

No offenses sir... but be open minded bring the topic straight where have you observed such conducts of not being done as the constitution would imply then we talk about it sir!