Atheism and other religions should be treated equally in Tanzania!

itv · Dec 5, 2015

einstein newton said:
you are wrong sir

we,as a society,we are guided by law of morality and not some sort of unseen force like aeon or the so called God

atheism do not break our brotherhood or peace,but contrary to atheism religions do

islamic state,israel&parestine are current examples

Sure we as society are guided by moral code, but the supreme moral code speaks of doing good and avoiding evil, then what is that supreme good,,,, the answer you know the supreme good is non else except God, the enforcer of moral code

Moral codes refers to God as their author
And society refers to God as their source of unity,
Atheism is toothless, limbless and heartless how then does it foster brotherhood and unity,

The abuses of religion as you site in palestine do not uproot the inner goodness of religion and that is fostering unity and peace,

kadoda11 · Dec 5, 2015

descarte said:
Our constitution is very clear not me!!
So,if you have taken for granted those words,that is up to you

puti yua words ini Swahili saa bikozi i don't I andastandi inglish.

descarte · Dec 5, 2015

Loeb S Mpalasinge said:
Atheism is the cult which begins in the year 2007 it can't regarded as a religion as it contains secret ritual and ridiculous doctoring to mock and ridicule other religions which started in first century.

The question is that government should treat its citizens equally without discrimination whatsoever. We do not claim that other religions should be treated like Islam or Christianity rather a government should be neutral.

descarte · Dec 5, 2015

ZaBeast said:
Ofcourse it is neutral Sir!

It isn't neutral bwana!!There is a tendecy of government favouring some religions and neglect others. So, the point is, government shouldn't involve in any business concerning religion.

descarte · Dec 5, 2015

Kifyatu said:
I didn't say FAITH, I said FAITHS. There are many and we need to recognize all of them. It will be a sad country if we ignore our religions, cultures, faiths simply because the constitutional makeup of the country is secular.

We do this all the time. For example, invoking cultural recognitions such installing a leader as a chief of say, waHehe, with all traditional attires.

But we ought to be true to our written documents.
Religion is something else, it is something people should do it in private not in public. Government should protect the freedom to worship but also it should not engage in any religious business. If it does that then government does not treat its citizens as equals.

descarte · Dec 5, 2015

itv said:
Sure we as society are guided by moral code, but the supreme moral code speaks of doing and avoiding evil, then what is that supreme good,,,, the answer you know the supreme good is non else except God, the enforcer of moral code

Moral codes refers to God as their author
And society refers to God as their source of unity,

You are confusing things!! Your claim doesn't hold any water

kadoda11 · Dec 5, 2015

einstein newton said:
"the world would be boring place if all we were the same"

so respect opinions of others if you want yours to be respected also!

I didn't came to participate in endless discussions about GOD and non GOD believers.just came to share an opinion concerning the current situation rotating in Tanzania by associating it with the content in the thread.

anyway,you can proceed with the discussion.

dawa yenu · Dec 5, 2015

itv said:
Haujielewi mleta Uzi,
Kaa chini utafakar kabla ya kuandika upuuzi

Servers mnazijaza ujinga, na upuuzi

Mchango wangu ni huo

Mpuuzi ni wewe mhafidhina, mbinafsi usiyejua kuwa kila watu wote wanastahili haki sawa iwe wana amini au hawaamini katika uwepo wa Mungu.

dawa yenu · Dec 5, 2015

itv said:
Atheism ni kukana uwepo wa Mungu,
Kilichonifanya hasa niulize swali la kama kukana juu ya uwepo ni dini ni mleta Uzi kuomba usawa Kati ya dini zote, na hata kuomba kuondolewa kwa ushiriki Wa dini katika matukio ya kitaifa,

Concern yangu hapo ilikuwa ni vipi atheism ambayo kwa asilimia kama sio zote inategemea uwepo wa dini kutaka usawa na dini
Licha ya hilo serikali kutokuwa na dini haina maana watendaji Wa serikalini hawana dini, ndio maana viongozi wanaapishwa kabla ya kupewa majukumu

Hata hivyo atheism inaleta utengano katika jamii na taifa, kutokana na kupinga uwepo Wa Mungu, ambaye jamii na taifa linamtegemea kama alama ya umoja, bila ya imani juu ya uwepo wa Mungu Jamii yetu isingekuwa na umoja

Amekuambia nani kuwa bila dini/imani jamii yetu isingekuwa na umoja. Nadhani uwepo wa dini umetuletea changamoto nyingi sana ambazo mpaka sasa tunashindwa kuzimaliza

dawa yenu · Dec 5, 2015

Kifyatu said:
I think instead of asking for EQUAL representation of religious beliefs in public gatherings, we should ask for an EQUITABLE representation (meaning that larger groups are recognized more than others).

Example: If we have a gathering of 100 people broken up into:
60 Christians
45 Muslims
1 Hindu
2 Pagans
2 Atheists,

maybe we should give Muslims and Christians equal times for prayers and none for the rest. I think if the other minority faiths come forward and ask for time to pray, they should be accorded some time but not necessarily equal to the major faiths.

Is that a democracy?

itv · Dec 5, 2015

descarte said:
You are confusing things!! Your claim doesn't hold any water

Hoja hujibiwa kwa hoja mkuu,
Where are u confused?

itv · Dec 5, 2015

dawa yenu said:
Mpuuzi ni wewe mhafidhina, mbinafsi usiyejua kuwa kila watu wote wanastahili haki sawa iwe wana amini au hawaamini katika uwepo wa Mungu.

Sikukosea kukuita hivyo, elewa muktadha kwanza mkuu,
Ni Haki gani mnayodai, ile hali uwepo wenu kwa asilimia zote unategemea uwepo wa dini
Au hujui atheist anasubiri mafundisho ya kidini ili ayakanushe
Ni lini atheist wamesimama na mafundisho yao zaidi ya kujikomba na sayansi ya Charles Darwin, ambayo nayo ni ukataaji Wa mafundisho ya dini

Nionyeshe umuhimu wenu kwenye jamii na ntakuambia umuhimu wa dini, licha ya changamoto zake

Nb, Sina itikadi sa kifahidhina,

descarte · Dec 5, 2015

polloz said:
Huu ni wakati wa kuhinua uchumi wa nchi yetu TANZANIA .Lazima Serilikali hitumie kila mbinu kuhinua hali ya maisha ya wananchi.Kwasasa hivi Tanzania uchumi wetu mkubwa hunatokana na kilimo.Kwahiyo serikali lazima hitafute njia zingine zaidi kuhingiza mapato na hajira zaidi.Nafikiri tatizo kubwa zaidi ktk nchi yetu ni hajira kuwepo na mikutano namna la kutatua tatizo hilo.Sasa hivi tunawasomi na wanauchumi lazima wakae pamoja nakufafanua na jinsi ya kuwasidia wananchi .

I am not but I guessed you had a confusion!!mixing up morality and God. The issues is not the bases of morality rather equal treatment for all citizens as democracy dictates.

kat.ph · Dec 5, 2015

Serikali ingefuta kabisa uwepo wa dini kwenye functions zake zote.

I wish there were no religions at all!

einstein newton · Dec 5, 2015

itv said:
Sure we as society are guided by moral code, but the supreme moral code speaks of doing and avoiding evil, then what is that supreme good,,,, the answer you know the supreme good is non else except God, the enforcer of moral code

Moral codes refers to God as their author
And society refers to God as their source of unity,

which empirical evidence forced you to conclude that,the enforcer of moral code is God?

if society are good only and follow molar codes because they fear punishment and hope for reward,then as Einstein said,"we are sorry lot"

itv · Dec 5, 2015

einstein newton said:
which empirical evidence forced you to conclude that,the enforcer of moral code is God?

if society are good only and follow molar codes because they fear punishment and hope for reward,then as Einstein said,"we are sorry lot"

God is the author and enforcer of moral code,
This is because the absolute moral code requires a person to do good and avoid evil,
From this maxim, what is the absolute good? The absolute good is God,
Therefore what God demands is good
Thus to do good is to be faithful to God, i don't bother about your religious stand and doctrines,

Guess this is more than empirical to prove authority and enforcement of moral codes originates from God.

itv · Dec 5, 2015

descarte said:
But we ought to be true to our written documents.
Religion is something else, it is something people should do it in private not in public. Government should protect the freedom to worship but also it should not engage in any religious business. If it does that then government does not treat its citizens as equals.

How could religion be private?
I wonder whether you understand the term religion

Which type of equality are you demanding, this is because religion and atheism are not equal on any ground,
It is as if you are demanding equality between father and his son, The responsibility of the father makes him more equal than his son,
I give this example because atheism is born of a religion, and atheism tries to make itself equal to his father the religion, the responsibility, duties and rights of religion in any nation cannot be equalized to anything, lest it be this nonsense of atheism.

itv · Dec 5, 2015

dawa yenu said:
Amekuambia nani kuwa bila dini/imani jamii yetu isingekuwa na umoja. Nadhani uwepo wa dini umetuletea changamoto nyingi sana ambazo mpaka sasa tunashindwa kuzimaliza

Mkuu nieleze ni kwa namna gani ungeunganisha watu katika taifa kama letu bila ya dini,
umoja wetu kama taifa kwa asilimia 90% unategemea dini miongoni mwa mengineyo,

Kuwa na uzuri na ubaya katika jambo Fulani ni asili ya dunia, la msingi ni kuangalia tu faida izidi hasara,
Kwa hiyo usionyeshe tu changamoto za dini wakati unaficha faida zake,

IGWE · Dec 5, 2015

Kifyatu said:
Jamani ndugu zangu hii lugha ya Malkia ina umuhimu wake hasa nyakati hizi za soko la ushindani. Jitahidi kuizungumza na kuiandika na wala usijali kama utaivunjavunja vipande vipande. Ndio kujifunza kwenyewe huko.

Sasa kama unaiogopa halafu atokee mfanyibiashara kutoka kwa Madiba na kutaka muingie ubia, utafanyaje?

Jukwaa hili ni hususan kwa ajili hiyo. Tupo waMatumbi wenzio na kama utapotoka kidogo tutasaidiana. Kuna Wakenya majuha kabisa lakini wanapora ajira zetu eti tu kwa sababu wanaweza kuelewa na kujieleza Kizungu.

Gangamala mkuu.

Usinijibu hoja yangu hii kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Nataka ung'eng'e mtupu, sitaki mchezo - HAPA KAZI TU.

I concur with you,.....!

itv · Dec 5, 2015

descarte said:
Umeelewa vibaya ndugu!!
Point yangu sio kwamba hawaruhusiwi kuwa na dini, kwasababu kusema hivyo ni kwenda tofouti na freedom of worship, wanaweza kuwa na dini ila private affair. Hatuitaji kiongonzi wa serikali kufanya dini yake kama ni ya nchi,watu wote lazima wawe equally treated by showing equal concern and respect

Watanzania kama sio asilimia 100% hatufahamu Haki ni nin?
Ndio maana tunadai hata tusivyoviwajibikia kama Haki,
Haki na wajibu ni ndugu, usitafute Haki kwa wajibu Wa mwenzio,

Naona umelewa pia maana ya equal treatment,
Nasema hivi some religion are more equal than other,

Atheism and other religions should be treated equally in Tanzania!

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