Atheism and other religions should be treated equally in Tanzania!

descarte said:

It isn't neutral bwana!!There is a tendecy of government favouring some religions and neglect others. So, the point is, government shouldn't involve in any business concerning religion.

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The government will never neglect religions, ask me and anybody, religions have their goodness especially with the society in general

Favoring some religions goes with their responsibility, it is true you cannot favor something which doesn't assist you in either way,
Example i favor a big house than a small, because i could stay comfortably
The same to religion i favor Buddha because they are majority and their responsibility in unity of the society is greater, compared to minority groups like christian and Muslims, lest it be two persons who are atheist,

itv said:

God is the author and enforcer of moral code,
This is because the absolute moral code requires a person to do good and avoid evil,
From this maxim, what is the absolute good? The absolute good is God,
Therefore what God demands is good
Thus to do good is to be faithful to God, i don't bother about your religious stand and doctrines,

Guess this is more than empirical to prove authority and enforcement of moral codes originates from God.

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what is good and what is evil?

Mourinho said:

what is good and what is evil?

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Good depends on your religious stand as well as evil,

For me to kill another person is evil and the opposite is good,

itv said:

Good depends on your religious stand as well as evil,

For me to kill another person is evil and the opposite is good,

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And what if am not religious? Do you mean that I won't have any idea of what is good or evil?

Mourinho said:

And what if am not religious? Do you mean that I won't have any idea of what is good or evil?

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The idea will be there, as natural law flows from conscience

Nobody is taught to kill is evil, but this is intrinsically imprinted in the conscience of man,

Religions elaborates and interpret the absolute moral code

descarte said:

It isn't neutral bwana!!There is a tendecy of government favouring some religions and neglect others. So, the point is, government shouldn't involve in any business concerning religion.

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Duh.... may be I haven't noticed please remind me one scenario then sir!

descarte said:

It isn't neutral bwana!!There is a tendecy of government favouring some religions and neglect others. So, the point is, government shouldn't involve in any business concerning religion.

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I don't expect an atheist to be troubled by religious matters as log as such matters do not cross your personal life.

itv said:

God is the author and enforcer of moral code,
This is because the absolute moral code requires a person to do good and avoid evil,
From this maxim, what is the absolute good? The absolute good is God,
Therefore what God demands is good
Thus to do good is to be faithful to God, i don't bother about your religious stand and doctrines,

Guess this is more than empirical to prove authority and enforcement of moral codes originates from God.

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the central tenet of your argument above,is that there is absolute good,and that absolute good is God

some peoples believe that everythings is relative to somethings else,and that there can no be absolute good to refer from,or authority to deciding which event is positive or negative

from that premise,the notion of absolute good and enforcer of moral principles such as God make absolute nonsense

and it obvious that all beliefs are equally valid,so is subtle for secular state like tanzania to treats all of them equally.

itv said:

The idea will be there, as natural law flows from conscience

Nobody is taught to kill is evil, but this is intrinsically imprinted in the conscience of man,

Religions elaborates and interpret the absolute moral code

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Anhaaaa!!
Then it's possible to have these ideas without religion

Back to the topic, I personally don't give a damn about which religion is represented by what percentage in these public ceremonies, in fact these religious leaders are as hypocrites as the politicians themselves, so let them do their abracadabras to fool the fools into believing that their political leaders are god's chosen, I have no problem with that.

Mourinho said:

Anhaaaa!!
Then it's possible to have these ideas without religion

Back to the topic, I personally don't give a damn about which religion is represented by what percentage in these public ceremonies, in fact these religious leaders are as hypocrites as the politicians themselves, so let them do their abracadabras to fool the fools into believing that their political leaders are god's chosen, I have no problem with that.

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Mkuu naomba tutumie lugha ya taifa kuokoa mda na nguvu,

einstein newton said:

the central tenet of your argument above,is that there is absolute good,and that absolute good is God

some peoples believe that everythings is relative to somethings else,and that there can no be absolute good to refer from,or authority to deciding which event is positive or negative

from that premise,the notion of absolute good and enforcer of moral principles such as God make absolute nonsense

and it obvious that all beliefs are equally valid,so is subtle for secular state like tanzania to treats all of them equally.

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Hebu tutumie kiswahili huenda ikawa rahisi kuelewana mkuu,

itv said:

Good depends on your religious stand as well as evil,

For me to kill another person is evil and the opposite is good,

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that is what we call situational ethics!

so if you accept that,good is relative aspect,because it depends on someone belifs,you are automatically reject the entire notion of absolute good and God in general.

einstein newton said:

that is what we call situational ethics!

so if you accept that,good is relative aspect,because it depends on someone belifs,you are automatically reject the entire notion of absolute good and God in general.

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Nimekubali wapi hakuna absolute good,
kufanya wema na kuepuka uovu, haitegemii hali au mazingira Fulani,
Na hilo ndio msingi Wa taratibu na sheria zote, za kidini

Na absolute good ni Mungu pekee, ambaye ni mtunzi, wa kila kilicho chema.

Suala la relativity, lipeleke kwenye tafsiri ya maana ya absolute good, hapo relativity inaingia, kwa sababu watu wanatafsiri absolute good kulingana na mazingira na mahitaji ya wakati, bila kupingana nayo,
Ndio maana kuna dini mbalimbali zenye Maelezo tofauti, lakini ukiingia kwa ndani, maxim ipo palepale,

Mourinho said:

Anhaaaa!!
Then it's possible to have these ideas without religion

Back to the topic, I personally don't give a damn about which religion is represented by what percentage in these public ceremonies, in fact these religious leaders are as hypocrites as the politicians themselves, so let them do their abracadabras to fool the fools into believing that their political leaders are god's chosen, I have no problem with that.

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Lakini mkuu ufahamu tuu jamii yetu imeshikwa na misingi ya kidini,
Suala la kuwa fooled na religion ni gumu kulielewa, ila kwa viongozi kuwa God-chosen, halipingiki kwenye jamii ya watu wa dini
Kwa kuwa Mungu ndiye alama ya umoja wao na kiongozi anamuwakilisha Mungu

dawa yenu said:

Is that a democracy?

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In a way, yes.

Kifyatu said:

In a way, yes.

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Basi demokrasia ni zaidi ya kile nilichofundishwa darasani. Huku mtaani ni tofauti kabisa na darasani, nina mengi ya kujifunza kuhusu demokrasia

itv said:

God is the author and enforcer of moral code,
This is because the absolute moral code requires a person to do good and avoid evil,
From this maxim, what is the absolute good? The absolute good is God,
Therefore what God demands is good
Thus to do good is to be faithful to God, i don't bother about your religious stand and doctrines,

Guess this is more than empirical to prove authority and enforcement of moral codes originates from God.

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This is fallacious argument ever because the first premise presupposes the conclusion.
In additional it begs some questions like why should command of God be absolute?
Anyway this is not the topic of this thread but your argument falls short of modern logic.

itv said:

How could religion be private?
I wonder whether you understand the term religion

Which type of equality are you demanding, this is because religion and atheism are not equal on any ground,
It is as if you are demanding equality between father and his son, The responsibility of the father makes him more equal than his son,
I give this example because atheism is born of a religion, and atheism tries to make itself equal to his father the religion, the responsibility, duties and rights of religion in any nation cannot be equalized to anything, lest it be this nonsense of atheism.

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Perhaps you can provide me with the definition of religion but in all cases
Religion is a matter of private life not public one, it is a plain fact from our constitution.
Equality of treatment as citizens of the United Republic of Tanzania government ought to be neutral on private matters of its citizens. We do not need a government which favors some religions just because of their number. This is a democratic country and a not religious state founded.
I do not know which criteria are using to say religion is better than atheism. I think that is a personal opinion which is neither true nor false.
Whether atheist came from religion or not,it is out of the question of equal treatment of citizens.
Government shouldn't discriminate its citizens in terms of what they believe.

itv said:

Watanzania kama sio asilimia 100% hatufahamu Haki ni nin?
Ndio maana tunadai hata tusivyoviwajibikia kama Haki,
Haki na wajibu ni ndugu, usitafute Haki kwa wajibu Wa mwenzio,

Naona umelewa pia maana ya equal treatment,
Nasema hivi some religion are more equal than other,

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Okay!tell me how is religion more equal than atheism
If you know tell me what are rights?

descarte said:

This is fallacious argument ever because the first premise presupposes the conclusion.
In additional it begs some questions like why should command of God be absolute?
Anyway this is not the topic of this thread but your argument falls short of modern logic.

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Which type of fallacy mention it here mkuu,
as far as i understand logic presupposes conclusion, the premises are arranged in a way to suit the conclusion

In addition follow my argument keenly you will understand why i brought the idea of absolute and God, this was elaboration of someone's query
There is no question begged,