Baadhi ya member wa JF wangekuwa magari unadhani wangekuwa gari gani?

Baadhi ya member wa JF wangekuwa magari unadhani wangekuwa gari gani?

Demiss said:
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i don't get you.....
 
mzee74 said:
Mr.Kiranga..
You sound like you are a physicist.You are sound like you are firm believer in quantum physics.

Let me start by quoting your post :"The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination. It is quite understandable why primitive people, who were so much more exposed to the overpowering forces of nature than we are today, should have personified these forces in fear and trembling. But nowadays, when we understand so many natural processes, we have no need for such solutions".

In summary you want to say that if we know about all the natural processes than we dont have to believe about Gods' existance.
Sasa unataka tu derail mjadala kutoka magari mpaka kwenda uwepo wa Mungu.


My queations:
1.How was the universe created?How was matter created?
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We don't know, but it is certainly not by the two bit God. We need more investigation and less speculation.
2.Who created the organisms?
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We don't know, but it is certainly not by the two bit God. We need more investigation and less speculation.
3.How do you expain the process of evolution?
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We don't know, but it is certainly not by the two bit God. We need more investigation and less speculation.
4.If you do not believe in Gods ways what do u believe in?Where do you get your moral values?
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One does not need God to get moral values. In fact, many a terrorist with no moral value end up killing innocent people in the name of God.

I don't want to believe. I want to now.

Is murder of an innocent person always wrong and at all times?
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What is always? Is killing one person to save 99 wrong?

Are there objective universal morals? Are there none? Where does morality come from?
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What is morality and why can't it come from totally human frameworks?
5.Is atheism a type of religion?
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What is a religion? Kipara ni mtindo wa kusuka nywele?
6.What happens to living things when they die?

What will be your fate Mr Kiranga after you die?
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They are rercycled. You have atoms that were other living things many years ago.

My body will be recycled as food for worms, fertilizer for the soil etc. There is no evidence of life after death.

7.Why did you decide to become an athest?
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Because believing in a self contradicting God is not logically consistent with the observable universe.
8.What if athesits are wrong and there is heaven and hell?
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God will be even more at fault for not revealing himself clearly. I cannot imagine that. It is totally inconsistent with his said nature.

9.Why do atheists hate Believers in God?
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This is an unsubstantiated claim. Give me a valid example to discuss.

I, for example, have stated many a time here, that, being a libertarian, I defend the constitutional freedom of worship.

When President Kagame said he will shut down churches that are not lead by people with degrees, I vehemently opposed this, on the basis that it infringes on the freedom of religion and expression.

I have cited The Universal Declaration of Human Rights here many a time, saying that, I will defend the right for one to worship whatever one wants, as long as it does not interfere with me, even if I do not agree with their belief system.

How can you say we hate believers?
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Kiranga

You are contradicting yourself.In your earlier quote you said people in the primitive days chose to believe in God because they did not understand many of the natural processes like they way we do now.And yet in your answers to the questions i asked you seem not to know anything about the creation of matter.
What is puzzling me is that you clearly have poor understanding of everything about this universe and yet you then you firmly chose note to believe about the possibility of existance of supernatural powers.This is ignorance.

I am not planning to challenge your atheistic beliefs but i its clearly you dont know anything and there is nothing sensible we would learn from you about many things regarding our existance in this universe.

I am resting my case and wishing you kazi njema katika utumishi wa bwana.
 
mzee74 said:
Kiranga

You are contradicting yourself.In your earlier quote you said people in the primitive days chose to believe in God because they did not understand many of the natural processes like they way we do now.And yet in your answers to the questions i asked you seem not to know anything about the creation of matter.
What is puzzling me is that you clearly have poor understanding of everything about this universe and yet you then you firmly chose note to believe about the possibility of existance of supernatural powers.This is ignorance.

I am not planning to challenge your atheistic beliefs but i its clearly you dont know anything and there is nothing sensible we would learn from you about many things regarding our existance in this universe.

I am resting my case and wishing you kazi njema katika utumishi wa bwana.
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People in primitive times did not understand a great deal of things, when lightning stroke, they thought it was God being angry.

When there was an eclipse of the sun, they thought it wa God being dissatisfied with their offerings.

Now they do understand all that, in terms of science. Lightning is electricity in the clouds.

The eclipse of the sun is due to merely the movements of the sun, moon and earth being aligned in a specific and coinciding way.

So they see that the God theory is not necessary, and with time, it will be even more unnecessary.The more people study phenomena, the more thye have less of a need for God.

But that does not mean they know everything.

They still don't understand the singularity at the beginning of the Big Bang.

Capisce?

When you say "super naturalpowers" what do you mean?

There was a time when our forefathers thouhght radio transmissions were supernatural powers, they are not.

How do you know that what you take for supernatural powers today is just naturalpowers you haven't understood?

The great Science Fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke has a saying ""Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

How do you know this is some technology you don't yet know, and this is magic?

How do you know this is natural phenomena you don't understand, and this is supernatural?
 
Kiranga said:
People in primitive times did not understand a great deal of things, when lightning stroke, they thought it was God being angry.

When there was an eclipse of the sun, they thought it wa God being dissatisfied with their offerings.

Now they do understand all that, in terms of science. Lightning is electricity in the clouds.

The eclipse of the sun is due to merely the movements of the sun, moon and earth being aligned in a specific and coinciding way.

So they see that the God theory is not necessary, and with time, it will be even more unnecessary.The more people study phenomena, the more thye have less of a need for God.

But that does not mean they know everything.

They still don't understand the singularity at the beginning of the Big Bang.

Capisce?

When you say "super naturalpowers" what do you mean?

There was a time when our forefathers thouhght radio transmissions were supernatural powers, they are not.

How do you know that what you take for supernatural powers today is just naturalpowers you haven't understood?

The great Science Fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke has a saying ""Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

How do you know this is some technology you don't yet know, and this is magic?

How do you know this is natural phenomena you don't understand, and this is supernatural?
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Sawa baba mtumishi.
 
Kiranga said:
Haya ndiyo maneno pekee uliyobakisha.
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Nabaki na imani yangu na wewe endelea na yako.Sikuwa na nia ya kukupinga kuhusu upagani wako.Nilitaka tu kujua mambo mbali mbali ambayo bado ni kiza kwa binadamu wengi mathalani hatima yetu baada ya kifo na uumbaji wa ulimwengu.Nakushukuru kwa majibu yako mazuri na marefu ingawa kimsingi hakuna jipya la maana nililojifunza.
 
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