BBI process declared unconstitutional by high court

[Mashashola]

No one is opposing bbi. What all agree that the constitution needs a revision but you can't as an individual determine for us what is suitable.

The people are sovereign and the president can't purport to use his state power to take that what is dear to us, VOTE

So who is this special 'individual' who is supposed to initiate constitution revision?

Because according to the constitution, amendments can be initiated by the people or Parliament

Are MP Junet Mohammed and Waweru Tanzanians?? because they initiated BBI

 

[Mutaitina]

Which political sentiments?
If BBI passes it becomes law which must be followed.

Those opposing BBI are the ones giving us political sentiments.
Kwani pesa mashinani itafika aje mashinani. Through promises?

Every county has its own economic activity.
The political sentiment 'Bottom up economy' can never be reality without more money to the grassroots which can only trickle down through devolution.

Devolution should be strengthened and BBI is offering exactly that.

I agree devolution has to be strengthened. But you don't strengthen in one element only.

The current county government are getting more than what the constitution allows but due to corruption they can't show anything for it.
They also need to expand their tax bracket

 

[Tony254]

Did you ask yourself how much has the so-called BBI expended and squandered so far!??? If you could not prevent such a blatant dissipation in thje first place, then you know who has the real power: you (the people) or him (the president).

The people have power that is why the court ruled the way it ruled. The politicians were trying to change the constitution to benefit themselves without involving Kenyans in the process and also without following the correct procedure.

 

[Mutaitina]

So who is this special 'individual' who is supposed to initiate constitution revision?

Because according to the constitution, amendments can be initiated by the people or Parliament

Are MP Junet Mohammed and Waweru Tanzanians because they initiated BBI

Even the president in his personal capacity can propose an amendment but the judgment has given the proposal and recommendations on what they failed to do

 

[Kafrican]

Duh, Uhuru katukanwa na mahakama ata sijui atajificha wapi kukwepa aibu! Hao walinzi wake wahakikishe hakuna pombe karibu yake, sije akalewa akashika simu na kuanza kupeana maagizo kwa vyombo vya usalama.

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Not to mention a further appeal to the supreme court which will take more time.

Are you kidding, yeah!??? More time for dilly-dallying means more wastage of public funds. And that what the crooked politicians would always wish for as their last resort. The rather lose this end but gain then other. It's a kind of ^I missed their breakfast but found them at the dinner table!^

 

[Tony254]

Which political sentiments?
If BBI passes it becomes law which must be followed.

Those opposing BBI are the ones giving us political sentiments.
Kwani pesa mashinani itafika aje mashinani. Through promises?

Every county has its own economic activity.
The political sentiment 'Bottom up economy' can never be reality without more money to the grassroots which can only trickle down through devolution.

Devolution should be strengthened and BBI is offering exactly that.

Naona huelewi. Nobody is opposing more money to the counties. We all want more money to be devolved. The issue here is that the correct procedure was not followed. Sheria lazima ifuatwe jinsi inavyostahili. This constitutional amendment may have had good intentions but unfortunately it was rushed and did not follow the correct procedure.

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Even the president in his personal capacity can propose an amendment but the judgment has given the proposal and recommendations on what they failed to do

Which means it is coming again fresh and alive --- unopposed, because this time round it will be considered something valuable and well-thought of by the ^experts,^ regardless of the fact it is the same unconstitutional document from the same self-seeking & time-serving politicians.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

The people have power that is why the court ruled the way it ruled. The politicians were trying to change the constitution to benefit themselves without involving Kenyans in the process and also without following the correct procedure.

BBI will pass mpende msipende

 

[Tony254]

The so-called devolution economics has been in place since time immemorial --- but has actually delivered nothing significant.

In Kenya devolution is working. It also works very well in other countries like USA.

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Naona huelewi. Nobody is opposing more money to the counties. We all want more money to be devolved. The issue here is that the correct procedure was not followed. Sheria lazima ifuatwe jinsi inavyostahili. This constitutional amendment may have had good intentions but unfortunately it was rushed and did not follow the correct procedure.

The two facts alone -- taking it so rushy and being unprocedural -- makes the whole thing smell fishy.

 

[Mashashola]

Even the president in his personal capacity can propose an amendment but the judgment has given the proposal and recommendations on what they failed to do

The president is a Kenyan. Meaning BBI is very legal. If that is so, the court ruling is inconsequential and will be thrown out soon.

Even Maraga said Parliament should be disbanded and 2017 election was illegal etc etc.. but here we are.

 

[MTOCHORO]

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[Jasmoni Tegga]

In Kenya devolution is working. It also works very well in other countries like USA.

It works everywhere, including Kenya --- but it has been (deliberately) dormant for years.

 

[Mashashola]

Naona huelewi. Nobody is opposing more money to the counties. We all want more money to be devolved. The issue here is that the correct procedure was not followed. Sheria lazima ifuatwe jinsi inavyostahili. This constitutional amendment may have had good intentions but unfortunately it was rushed and did not follow the correct procedure.

Which procedure did it not follow. It was initiated by Junet Mohammed who is an Mp and Waweru of Jubilee who is a citizen.

All other processes have been followed. Tuache bias na kuegemea kisiasa.

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

The president is a Kenyan. Meaning BBI is very legal. If that is so, the court ruling is inconsequential and will be thrown out soon.

Even Maraga said Parliament should be disbanded and 2017 election was illegal etc etc.. but here we are.

I wonder if those opposing the president's proposal are Indians or something!???

 

[Tony254]

The president is a Kenyan. Meaning BBI is very legal. If that is so, the court ruling is inconsequential and will be thrown out soon.

Even Maraga said Parliament should be disbanded and 2017 election was illegal etc etc.. but here we are.

A normal mwananchi should use popular initiative. The president should use parliament. That is what the courts said. Tatizo ni kwamba hujasikiliza hio judgement vizuri, umekuja tu kutoa maoni bila kusikiliza hio judgement. Sasa president ataanzisha aje popular initiative na yeye sio private citizen? Mimi I am currently listening to the judgement, I suggest you do the same

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Which procedure did it not follow. It was initiated by Junet Mohammed who is an Mp and Waweru of Jubilee who is a citizen.

All other processes have been followed. Tuache bias na kuegemea kisiasa.

Have you read the Court's ruling!???

 

[Mashashola]

I agree devolution has to be strengthened. But you don't strengthen in one element only.

The current county government are getting more than what the constitution allows but due to corruption they can't show anything for it.
They also need to expand their tax bracket

Which one element is being strengthened?

And stop lying about counties. They have been receiving 15% of budget which is the minimum set by law.

Corruption is everywhere and you must be blind or young to not see the effects of devolution in every part of the country.

 

[Kafrican]

Which political sentiments?
If BBI passes it becomes law which must be followed.

Those opposing BBI are the ones giving us political sentiments.
Kwani pesa mashinani itafika aje mashinani. Through promises?

Every county has its own economic activity.
The political sentiment 'Bottom up economy' can never be reality without more money to the grassroots which can only trickle down through devolution.

Devolution should be strengthened and BBI is offering exactly that.

90% of the issues proposed in the BBI don't need the constitution to be changed, they càn be changed through normal legislature. E.g this one about revenue sharing between national and county government was just added there to seduce governors and MCAs.

You don't need a referendum to change the law on revenue sharing and even if you did need a referendum, The law talks about MINIMUM revenue that should be shared with counties, it never mentions maximum, so if Uhuru really wanted more money to counties all he needs to do is talk with treasury and all stakeholders to increase the revenue to counties from 15% to even 50% if he felt like.