Berth 2 and 3 of Lamu Port. Leo ndio mtajua kuwa Wachina hawataki mchezo kwa kazi.

Nicxie said:

The big question you be asking yourself is this one: What is the capacity of these five ports? This is a vital question because the port of Mombasa is handling more than your five ports combined. Consider also the fact that Kilindini harbor, which where the port of Mombasa is constrctured, is the deepest in east Africa. This means bigger ships can dock in Mombasa compared to any of your ports. Habari ndio hiyo

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Sadly words are not actions, FYI what hindered Dar port from absorbing big load is already countered up and that's why you see expansions and renovations all over the port itself, railways, border points, ICDs, auxiliary ports like on the bordering lakes, etc

So far Dar port is recording great revamp and rocket flying shipping-lines callings, bigger docking schedule even before doubbling completion

About Tanga, it's the different case when you considering that there's no Uganda oil multi billion dollars business without Tanga port.

About Mtwara, you can't talk about the massive Dangote cement firm in the region without mentioning that port, plus some several 100k metric tonnes of cashews from Mtwara all together and many leaves Lamu in the laugh stock memes

Kafrican said:

Nakuamini unacho sema, Nacho pinga ni kwamba eti sasa Kenya tuaanze ku panic kwasababu Dar itakua kubwa kushinda Msa........ Ile picha ambayo REDEEMER alionyesha Mombasa tayari iko hio level ambayo ndo mnalenga kufika.. I.e depth of 15m, max length.. etc.. Alafu kuna jambo muhimu hapa hamkuongelea, "Number of Shipping lines calling" at the port, Kenya iko na 33 shipping lines calling at Msa port wakati Dar iko na 24! Alafu kumbuka 1 shipping line e.g Maersk inaeza kua na kama meli tatu zinazo piga hio route kwahivyo actuall ships zitakua ni nyingi sana kushinda Dar

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The hard facts are, Mombasa have 19+ berths plus Lamu's 3 berths, Dar port wants to assure you that all that you have will be nothing compared to what Dar expecting to have in the next few days.

REDEEMER. said:

The hard facts are, Mombasa have 19+ berths plus Lamu's 3 berths, Dar port wants to assure you that all that you have will be nothing compared to what Dar expecting to have in the next few days.

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You have mentioned what Mombasa has, but you failed to do the same for Dar.... What will dar have in the next few days???

And BTW having berths is not the same thing as attracting/handling business...
Mombasa port handled 30 million toness last year while Dar port did 20m tonne.... Even if you double the capacity of dar today, you will still be few years behind achieving 30 million ...

Infact, your target when you launched dar port expansion was to handle 28 Million tonnes by 2020... This was your vision i.e best case scenario if everything goes well and according to schedule..... Mombasa port was already passed 30m last year, next year we will be somewhere around 35 Million..






So i don't know what you mean when you say Msa will be nothing compared to Dar... when the opposite is true... AND BTW, MSA port too is undergoing massive expansion.

Kafrican said:

You have mentioned what Mombasa has, but you failed to do the same for Dar.... What will dar have in the next few days???

And BTW having berths is not the same thing as attracting/handling business...
Mombasa port handled 30 million toness last year while Dar port did 20m tonne.... Even if you double the capacity of dar today, you will still be few years behind achieving 30 million ...

Infact, your target when you launched dar port expansion was to handle 28 Million tonnes by 2020... This was your vision i.e best case scenario if everything goes well and according to schedule..... Mombasa port was already passed 30m last year, next year we will be somewhere around 35 Million..

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Upgrade at Dar port impresses W. Bank

“We acknowledge the importance of the ongoing improvements to the economy of Tanzania and its landlocked neighbours” Dr Makhtar Diop, World Bank vice president for the Africa Region

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So i don't know what you mean when you say Msa will be nothing compared to Dar... when the opposite is true... AND BTW, MSA port too is undergoing massive expansion.

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Firstly you should draw a little cautious as you talk about this, just note 75% of the incoming consignments in Mombasa is domestic load destined within Kenya not in transit thus requires high concentration when analyzing economic peramiters,

Obviousness, economically it is not healthy for any focused nation in the world to do more importation than export of its products, FYI Kenya has recorded the largest imports of goods mergins through Mombasa which in economic weighing eyes this is not beneficial to the port as the state entity but is beneficial to overseas markets, which to me is nonsense to be proud of.

I am certainly in that 10 million excess there's big accumulation of food stuff inwhich you failed to produce domestically and that should not be something to cherish because it add nothing into your economy but takes profits from your ports thank you.

REDEEMER. said:

Firstly you should draw a little cautious as you talk about this, just note 75% of the incoming consignments in Mombasa is domestic load destined within Kenya not in transit thus requires high concentration when analyzing economic peramiters,

Obviousness, economically it is not healthy for any focused nation in the world to do more importation than export of its products, FYI Kenya has recorded the largest imports of goods mergins through Mombasa which in economic weighing eyes this is not beneficial to the port as the state entity but is beneficial to overseas markets, which to me is nonsense to be proud of.

I am certainly in that 10 million excess there's big accumulation of food stuff inwhich you failed to produce domestically and that should not be something to cherish because it add nothing into your economy but takes profits from your ports thank you.

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huu wote ni upupu unaandika hapa, kwanza Mombasa port ina berth 21 na sio 19 kama unavyo wahadaa watu hapa. Dar port iko na berth 11 pekee. hii hapa layout ya Mombasa port



the completed berth 21 ndio hii hapa


port inashughulikia both import na exports kwa hivyo arguments zako ni za kipuuzi. 75% ya imports kuishia Nairobi au Kenya kwa ujumla ni sawa kabisa kwani ni demand ya uchumi mkubwa wa Kenya.

YoungD said:

huu wote ni upupu unaandika hapa, kwanza Mombasa port ina berth 21 na sio 19 kama unavyo wahadaa watu hapa. Dar port iko na berth 11 pekee. hii hapa layout ya Mombasa port

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the completed berth 21 ndio hii hapa
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port inashughulikia both import na exports kwa hivyo arguments zako ni za kipuuzi. 75% ya imports kuishia Nairobi au Kenya kwa ujumla ni sawa kabisa kwani ni demand ya uchumi mkubwa wa Kenya.

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Dar ina 13 berths sasa imagine ninyi wenye 21 berths tunawakimbiza mkiwa mmeshika chupi mkononi vipi kama tukimalizia berths 15 mpya zonazoendelea kujengwa (TPA + TICTS berths) na sio kama Dar port haina wateja, we have multitude of customers shida ilikuwa ni port size na sasa tunaenda kumaliza hiyo shida kabisa.

Hujaongelea mziki wa Tanga na 3 billion barrels of Ugandas $$$ yaani hapo tu tutawapa kipigo cha mbwa koko

REDEEMER. said:

Firstly you should draw a little cautious as you talk about this, just note 75% of the incoming consignments in Mombasa is domestic load destined within Kenya not in transit thus requires high concentration when analyzing economic peramiters,

Obviousness, economically it is not healthy for any focused nation in the world to do more importation than export of its products, FYI Kenya has recorded the largest imports of goods mergins through Mombasa which in economic weighing eyes this is not beneficial to the port as the state entity but is beneficial to overseas markets, which to me is nonsense to be proud of.

I am certainly in that 10 million excess there's big accumulation of food stuff inwhich you failed to produce domestically and that should not be something to cherish because it add nothing into your economy but takes profits from your ports thank you.

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Even if 75% of incoming goods are destinen for the domestic market, That 25% left is more than what Tz ports handle for transit markets!

And Tanzania import/export balanced is helped by raw mineral exports, Your industries don't produce much so there is nothing to be proud of, Infact if you were to do value addition for your minerals locally, your port will handles significantly less cargo.... 100 tonnes of sand/rocks with gold concentrate is like 5 kgs of pure gold. But since valu addition is not done in Tanzania all those tonnes have to be exported in raw form...



Its so easy to debate with you people because you like to create stories and theories without backing them with facts...

Food makes up only 5% of Kenya's imports... while machines&Electronics, Vehicles/Transportation and mineral/petroleum make up 46% of imports...Thats $7.8B in those three categories alone .. While Tanzania's total imports are $8.1 Billion




Kenya consumes 84,000 barrels of oil per day, wakati Tanzania consumes less than half of that at 35,000 bpd, Compare that!!! https://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?product=oil&graph=consumption&display=rank

YoungD said:

huu wote ni upupu unaandika hapa, kwanza Mombasa port ina berth 21 na sio 19 kama unavyo wahadaa watu hapa. Dar port iko na berth 11 pekee. hii hapa layout ya Mombasa port

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the completed berth 21 ndio hii hapa
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port inashughulikia both import na exports kwa hivyo arguments zako ni za kipuuzi. 75% ya imports kuishia Nairobi au Kenya kwa ujumla ni sawa kabisa kwani ni demand ya uchumi mkubwa wa Kenya.

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tena hio berth 21 which is 360m long ni phase 1 ambayo ilishakamilika... Tayari tulishaanza phase 2 which will inlcude berth number 22, kila baada ya 18 months kutakua na new berth inaongezwa hadi 2032..... tena hapo kwa entry ya mombasa port unaona kutaongezwa General multipurporse berths L1-L4, Mbali na hapo Dongo Kundu free port nayo itakua na its own berts

Kafrican said:

tena hio berth 21 which is 360m long ni phase 1 ambayo ilishakamilika... Tayari tulishaanza phase 2 which will inlcude berth number 22, kila baada ya 18 months kutakua na new berth inaongezwa hadi 2032..... tena hapo kwa entry ya mombasa port unaona kutaongezwa General multipurporse berths L1-L4, Mbali na hapo Dongo Kundu free port nayo itakua na its own bertsView attachment 1185326

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sasa huyo kilaza anakuja na ngeli za ccm za tu-ki wakati game ipo tatu bila dakika ya 89 hadi anatia huruma.
Btw hizo berth zote sasa ziko connected na SGR kwa hivyo mzigo unashushwa kwa meli na kuwukwa moja kwa moja kwa treni bila kupoteza muda. Wakifika hiyo level wank-tag tafadhali.

Kafrican said:

Even if 75% of incoming goods are destinen for the domestic market, That 25% left is more than what Tz ports handle for transit markets!

And Tanzania import/export balanced is helped by raw mineral exports, Your industries don't produce much so there is nothing to be proud of, Infact if you were to do value addition for your minerals locally, your port will handles significantly less cargo.... is like 5 kgs of pure gold. But since valu addition is not done in Tanzania all those tonnes have to be exported in raw form...





Food makes up only 5% of Kenya's imports... while machines&Electronics, Vehicles/Transportation and mineral/petroleum make up 46% of imports...Thats $7.8B in those three categories alone .. While Tanzania's total imports are $8.1 Billion

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Kenya consumes 84,000 barrels of oil per day, wakati Tanzania consumes less than half of that at 35,000 bpd

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Its so easy to debate with you people because you like to create stories and theories without backing them with facts...
Hahaha

Tanzania don't export 100 tonnes of sand/rocks with gold concentrate..... Excuse me

Tanzania majors in export of agriculture produces which leads in Africa and in the world and some of them are...


1 cottons
2 cashews
3 dry beans
4 sunflower seeds
5 coffee
6 tea
7 tobacco
8 maize
9 rice
10 sisal
11 banana
.....

All of the above crops Tanzania makes in the top 5 among the producers in Africa and some in the world. If you demand fact I will bring it

Almost half of all crops are shipped out using our ports but majority of the good millions of metric tonnes are passing out through our dry borders and bordering lakes surrounding the country.

YoungD said:

sasa huyo kilaza anakuja na ngeli za ccm za tu-ki wakati game ipo tatu bila dakika ya 89 hadi anatia huruma.
Btw hizo berth zote sasa ziko connected na SGR kwa hivyo mzigo unashushwa kwa meli na kuwukwa moja kwa moja kwa treni bila kupoteza muda. Wakifika hiyo level wank-tag tafadhali.

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Tatizo mna makelele sana na hicho kilamu chenye berths 3 ndio mnakiita largest port in Africa 😂😂😂😉

REDEEMER. said:

Its so easy to debate with you people because you like to create stories and theories without backing them with facts...
Hahaha

Tanzania Ban Export of Mineral Concentrates

Tanzania issued a ban on the export of mineral concentrates and ores for metallic minerals such as gold, copper, nickel and silver.

www.tanzaniainvest.com

Tanzania don't export 100 tonnes of sand/rocks with gold concentrate..... Excuse me

Tanzania majors in export of agriculture produces which leads in Africa and in the world and some of them are...


1 cottons
2 cashews
3 dry beans
4 sunflower seeds
5 coffee
6 tea
7 tobacco
8 maize
9 rice
10 sisal
11 banana
.....

All of the above crops Tanzania makes in the top 5 among the producers in Africa and some in the world. If you demand fact I will bring it

Almost half of all crops are shipped out using our ports but majority of the good millions of metric tonnes are passing out through our dry borders and bordering lakes surrounding the country.

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Bring those facts here, usipige story tu.... Tena ulete hadi total exports $$$ Tuone kama kweli the reason you don't import much is because you produce locally

REDEEMER. said:

Dar ina 13 berths sasa imagine ninyi wenye 21 berths tunawakimbiza mkiwa mmeshika chupi mkononi vipi kama tukimalizia berths 15 mpya zonazoendelea kujengwa (TPA + TICTS berths) na sio kama Dar port haina wateja, we have multitude of customers shida ilikuwa ni port size na sasa tunaenda kumaliza hiyo shida kabisa.

Hujaongelea mziki wa Tanga na 3 billion barrels of Ugandas $$$ yaani hapo tu tutawapa kipigo cha mbwa koko

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Mwaka jana Dar handled 500,000 TEUs, wakati Mombasa ilipiga 1.3M TEUs !!! Hapo si kukimbizana, labda useme ilikua ni jogoo anamkimbiza kuku askie utamu 😛

Kafrican said:

Bring those facts here, usipige story tu.... Tena ulete hadi total exports $$$ Tuone kama kweli the reason you don't import much is because you produce locally

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Feel free to visit this thread from 5th page then njoo hapa, sababu niliwashushia wenzako nondo mpaka wakakimbia

Mind you, bado crops nyingine ambazo Tanzania inaongoza kuzizalisha sijaziweka hapo so kama unataka useme nikusogezee

Kafrican said:

tena hio berth 21 which is 360m long ni phase 1 ambayo ilishakamilika... Tayari tulishaanza phase 2 which will inlcude berth number 22, kila baada ya 18 months kutakua na new berth inaongezwa hadi 2032..... tena hapo kwa entry ya mombasa port unaona kutaongezwa General multipurporse berths L1-L4, Mbali na hapo Dongo Kundu free port nayo itakua na its own bertsView attachment 1185326

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Pamoja na oil terminal that can handle 4 oil tankers at the same time.

Kafrican said:

Mwaka jana Dar handled 500,000 TEUs, wakati Mombasa ilipiga 1.3M TEUs !!! Hapo si kukimbizana, labda useme ilikua ni jogoo anamkimbiza kuku askie utamu 😛

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Pole 😂😂😂😂

REDEEMER. said:

Firstly you should draw a little cautious as you talk about this, just note 75% of the incoming consignments in Mombasa is domestic load destined within Kenya not in transit thus requires high concentration when analyzing economic peramiters,

Obviousness, economically it is not healthy for any focused nation in the world to do more importation than export of its products, FYI Kenya has recorded the largest imports of goods mergins through Mombasa which in economic weighing eyes this is not beneficial to the port as the state entity but is beneficial to overseas markets, which to me is nonsense to be proud of.

I am certainly in that 10 million excess there's big accumulation of food stuff inwhich you failed to produce domestically and that should not be something to cherish because it add nothing into your economy but takes profits from your ports thank you.

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The worst English i have ever read in my entire life. This is terrible

REDEEMER. said:

Feel free to visit this thread from 5th page then njoo hapa, sababu niliwashushia wenzako nondo mpaka wakakimbia

Mind you, bado crops nyingine ambazo Tanzania inaongoza kuzizalisha sijaziweka hapo so kama unataka useme nikusogezee

The owner of the biggest farm in Africa, Unajua alipo? 😊🌍

Nchi top 10 duniani kwenye exports za maua. [emoji1139][emoji1139][emoji1139] redeemer, hii bendera ukiiona popote pale isujudie haraka haraka bila kusita.

www.jamiiforums.com

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REDEEMER. said:

Pole 😂😂😂😂View attachment 1185339

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wewe huenda ni wazimu! yaani unajisifia ku post twits uchwara na kusema kuwa uliwapasha watu?? watu waliondokea ujinga wako ambao umeuanza hapa sasa, ati capacity ya Mombasa port ni 500k teu's wewe na hilo gazeti mnaugua ugonjwa sawia.

Tony254 said:

The worst English i have ever read in my entire life. This is terrible

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You gotta love it or leave it though

REDEEMER. said:

Pole 😂😂😂😂View attachment 1185339

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So we do 1.3Million TEUs while you do 750K ....... The difference is 550,000 TEUs!!!! nani ndo anafaa kucheka mwenzake hapo