Biashara ya maziwa kenya kwa mashine maalum

[waltham]

• The machines have an in-built cooler and use electricity to store and dispense milk. It works like an ATM machine where consumers can key in the amount of milk they want and pay.
• The Kenya Revenue Authority doesn't consider dispensers dairy equipment to attract minimal tax, hence, importing the ATMs attracts all manner of duties.
• Farmers should add value to their produce by pasteurising to reap maximum profits from their milk. It may be expensive at the beginning, but it pays to add value.

advertisement By GEOFFREY GITONGAMy friends usually tell me that besides banks, I am the only other person in the country who has Automated Teller Machines (ATM).

Well, that is true, but mine are not ATMs in the original meaning of the word, because they do not dispense money. My machines dispense milk. I prefer to call them milk dispensers.

I run over 20 machines, through my company Farming Solutions, in different supermarkets in Nairobi, Kiambu, Eldoret, Bungoma, Busia and Machakos. The supermarkets include Naivas, Uchumi, Saltes, Eastmatt and Mulleys.

The machines have an in-built cooler and use electricity to store and dispense milk. It works like an ATM machine where consumers can key in the amount of milk they want and pay.

QUALITY MILK

Consumers come with their clear bottles or can purchase them from supermarkets. Many supermarkets, milk bars and businesspeople have adopted this mode of distribution as it is considered hygienic and there is no wastage.

In addition, milk dispensed from these ATMs is cheaper compared to that packaged in 500ml packets.

My main source of pasteurised milk is Kinangop Dairy, a farmers' cooperative based in the town. They get the milk from farmers, pasteurise and then sell to me.

I go to collect the milk from the dairy, and another major farmer in Kahawa Sukari, Nairobi.

Many firms buy a litre of milk at Sh30, but I buy the pasteurised milk at Sh55 per litre. The milk dispensers are changing the supply and distribution of milk as consumers can get quality milk for as low as Sh5 for 77ml.

Farmers who want to supply their milk to me or to other dispensers must have a small plant where they first pasteurise it.

If they cannot afford a processing plant individually, they can get into groups or co-operatives to share the cost of processing the milk. Pasteurised milk is more marketable than raw.

Milk is very delicate, so it must be handled with a lot of care. That is why before we buy the milk, it has to go through tests to determine its density and acidity.

There is good business in milk because it is widely consumed. I sell my milk at Sh65 a litre, which means I get a profit of Sh10 for every litre.

I sell about 500 litres of milk per dispenser every day, which translates to a profit of Sh5,000 per dispenser.

I went into milk selling business sometime in 2011. Before then, I was running an agrovet business in Eldoret until 2007 when I relocated to Nairobi due to the post-election violence.

I had also worked for an agricultural company soon after completing my Bachelor of Science degree in Agriculture from Egerton University.

Upon landing in Nairobi, I realised something interesting. There was a lot of demand for quality and affordable milk, yet it was only sold in packets.
I saw the gap and decided to fill it with my machines.

My initial investment was Sh2 million, which was from my savings and a loan. I used it all to import my first milk dispenser from Italy, which I installed at a milk bar I owned in Nairobi's Nyayo Embakasi estate.

The response was overwhelming, to say the least. To get into supermarkets, I drafted a proposal and took it to Uchumu Supermarket. They liked my idea and we got into a partnership. I installed my milk dispenser and we agreed on a commission in late 2011.

Uchumi was my first big selling point, the other supermarkets came later.

I also import and sell the milk dispensing machines to individuals and supermarkets.

The smallest milk dispenser, with a capacity of 200 litres goes for Sh650,000, and largest with a capacity of 1,200 litres goes for Sh1.5 million.

The importation business seems rosy but it is not because one pays huge taxes.

The Kenya Revenue Authority doesn't consider dispensers dairy equipment to attract minimal tax, hence, importing the ATMs attracts all manner of duties.
To save on cost of importation, I have resorted to importing the dispensers in parts, and then I assemble them locally.

HIGHER PRICE

Through my company, I have employed 20 people, among them technicians who install the machines, milk vendors and those who ferry the milk to various dispensers countrywide.

I am happy that I am now able to assist dairy farmers get the most out of their produce by purchasing milk at higher prices.

At 42, I am living my dream. Growing up on my parent's farm in Lanet, Nakuru, I was fascinated by farming. This is where I believe my interest in agribusiness started. I am not be doing actual farming, but I am in the value chain, offering farmers better prices.

My greatest challenge is to find enough pasteurised milk because most farmers offer raw milk, which is against the Kenya Dairy Board regulations.

Farmers should add value to their produce by pasteurising to reap maximum profits from their milk. It may be expensive at the beginning, but it pays to add value.

However, I must acknowledge that pasteurisation is an expensive process, especially for farmers. In Bungoma and Eldoret for example, there is only one milk processor in each of the regions, which gives us challenges because we cannot get pasteurised milk. That is why we are asking farmers to form cooperatives.

My next business is to invest in machines that dispense yoghurt, fermented milk and liquid cooking oil.

 

[Camp 05]

these Kenyan are killing me toward their creativeness, i do remember are same being a great venture of M-PESA

 

[sixty nine69]

these Kenyan are killing me toward their creativeness, i do remember are same being a great venture of M-PESA

Even us TZ people we can do unique ideas but only I seen many People lack Seriousness, commitment, Hard working

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[serio]

Thats great

 

[Logikos]

these Kenyan are killing me toward their creativeness, i do remember are same being a great venture of M-PESA

Mkuu although its always nice to give credit when its due.., BUT Vending Machines is not a new thing and it has been around tangu enzi na enzi.., but most vending machines dispense things which are not easily perishable.., like sweets, snacks, drinks, coke etc.., even coffee and tea when it is stored is not mixed yet so that it can last long..

With things like milk which are perishable (unless its long life) I can not see this as really a viable business, considering the addition costs of machines, and running costs.., and these need to be placed in a high traffic area with a lot of shoppers, By the way I have not considered uharibifu wa watu wetu na wizi.., unless otherwise the company has to think about employing security as well for every machine.., something which will negate the cutting costs of employing sellers in the first place

 

[waltham]

Mkuu although its always nice to give credit when its due.., BUT Vending Machines is not a new thing and it has been around tangu enzi na enzi.., but most vending machines dispense things which are not easily perishable.., like sweets, snacks, drinks, coke etc.., even coffee and tea when it is stored is not mixed yet so that it can last long..

With things like milk which are perishable (unless its long life) I can not see this as really a viable business, considering the addition costs of machines, and running costs.., and these need to be placed in a high traffic area with a lot of shoppers, By the way I have not considered uharibifu wa watu wetu na wizi.., unless otherwise the company has to think about employing security as well for every machine.., something which will negate the cutting costs of employing sellers in the first place

shinda ni kutosoma kwanza.....read and read b4 commenting.have you read how long he has been in business now...have you read how much he is making per machine as profit....have you read what type of milk is dispensed from the machine...have you read where they are placed.......soma kwanza bwana. you sound very funny.........

and vending machines have been around....where in tz, uganda, rwanda ect dispensing milk ata hizo sweet zipo wapi?.......

 

[Logikos]

shinda ni kutosoma kwanza.....read and read b4 commenting.have you read how long he has been in business now...have you read how much he is making per machine as profit....have you read what type of milk is dispensed from the machine...have you read where they are placed.......soma kwanza bwana. you sound very funny.........

and vending machines have been around....where in tz, uganda, rwanda ect dispensing milk ata hizo sweet zipo wapi?.......

How long has he been in the vending machines business ?
Also why companies opted to go for vending machines in the first place (is it cost cutting or what ?), and after the total breakdown and all maintenance and security costs (what is the profit then per vending machine and am sure if its a busy place there needs to be someone refilling frequently.. (believe me when I say this I can not see this for the life of me as a eureka moment)

And as to vending machines as been around I was answering to a person who said that its the brain child of this gentleman.., and the vending machines machines are not many in African countries for a reason security being one of them.

Unless hii iwe ni branding/marketing thing.., yaani watu wavutiwe na brand/quality ya maziwa yake na afungue vingi kama alivyoanza AZAM zamani kuuza ice cream na sio vending machine in its true nature ya self service na kupunguza cost ya employment ya muuzaji

 

[waltham]

How long has he been in the vending machines business ?
Also why companies opted to go for vending machines in the first place (is it cost cutting or what ?), and after the total breakdown and all maintenance and security costs (what is the profit then per vending machine and am sure if its a busy place there needs to be someone refilling frequently.. (believe me when I say this I can not see this for the life of me as a eureka moment)



And as to vending machines as been around I was answering to a person who said that its the brain child of this gentleman.., and the vending machines machines are not many in African countries for a reason security being one of them.

Unless hii iwe ni branding/marketing thing.., yaani watu wavutiwe na brand/quality ya maziwa yake na afungue vingi kama alivyoanza AZAM zamani kuuza ice cream na sio vending machine in its true nature ya self service na kupunguza cost ya employment ya muuzaji

you still sound very funny. umesoma article kwanza. the guy has given his profit per machine.unaelewa na kizungu kaka. the guy is investing in more machines for more products. you sound like you writing your own article reading it and giving your analysis. stick to what is written. business is good for him. he wants to expand. period!!!!!

 

[Mtanganyika]

It's true that vending machine have been around for decades but same as restaurant business model and many business, what different here is adding value strategy. I think the guy capitalized it very well and give credit when credit are due.

 

[Logikos]

you still sound very funny. umesoma article kwanza. the guy has given his profit per machine.unaelewa na kizungu kaka. the guy is investing in more machines for more products. you sound like you writing your own article reading it and giving your analysis. stick to what is written. business is good for him. he wants to expand. period!!!!!

Twende polepole mkuu....

Many firms buy a litre of milk at Sh30, but I buy the pasteurised milk at Sh55 per litre.

There is good business in milk because it is widely consumed. I sell my milk at Sh65 a litre, which means I get a profit of Sh10 for every litre.

I sell about 500 litres of milk per dispenser every day, which translates to a profit of Sh5,000 per dispenser.

Now in business language this is gross profit sio net profit.., hapo inabidi uweke cost za mtu wa kurefill hio machine, cost za kuangalia machine due to vandalism (kama nilivyosema its a problem huku kwetu), investment costs, Je itachukua muda gani ku-break even n.k.

Sasa mkuu huyu jamaa kama ulivyosema kwenye hii biashara amebobea brand yake is well known na anao wateja wa kutosha.., ndio maana nikasema labda kama hii ni marketing strategy ya kuleta kitu tofauti ili watu wamfahamu zaidi (kwahio its just promoting his business) lakini this is not a cheapest way ya milk distribution especially in a country where people are dishonest.., pia packaging in bottles etc, is cheaper and cover a wider audience, vilevile sidhani kama sehemu anazoweka hizo machine am sure anakuwa charged some commissions on profit.

Ukiangalia sehemu nyingi ambazo vending machines are a success unakuta mtu anaweka hizi mashine kwenye mashule, maofisi ya watu wengi, mabenki, viwanja vya burudani n.k..., tena vitu vingi vinakuwa sio perishable.., hii inapelekea kupunguza cost ya service ya kuajili mtu wa kuuza na inakuwa self service unaweka coins au noti zako na bidhaa inatoka (cost of labour kule ni kubwa sana tofauti na huku unaweza ukapata watu wanne wa kukuuzia bidhaa zako kwa miaka minne kwa cost ya vending machine moja) pia nadhani hizo vending machines zake huenda asipokei pesa jambo ambalo linaweza kupelekea kuajiri mtu wa kupokea pesa.., which negates the all point all together

 

[waltham]

Twende polepole mkuu....

Now in business language this is gross profit sio net profit.., hapo inabidi uweke cost za mtu wa kurefill hio machine, cost za kuangalia machine due to vandalism (kama nilivyosema its a problem huku kwetu), investment costs, Je itachukua muda gani ku-break even n.k.

Sasa mkuu huyu jamaa kama ulivyosema kwenye hii biashara amebobea brand yake is well known na anao wateja wa kutosha.., ndio maana nikasema labda kama hii ni marketing strategy ya kuleta kitu tofauti ili watu wamfahamu zaidi (kwahio its just promoting his business) lakini this is not a cheapest way ya milk distribution especially in a country where people are dishonest.., pia packaging in bottles etc, is cheaper and cover a wider audience, vilevile sidhani kama sehemu anazoweka hizo machine am sure anakuwa charged some commissions on profit.

Ukiangalia sehemu nyingi ambazo vending machines are a success unakuta mtu anaweka hizi mashine kwenye mashule, maofisi ya watu wengi, mabenki, viwanja vya burudani n.k..., tena vitu vingi vinakuwa sio perishable.., hii inapelekea kupunguza cost ya service ya kuajili mtu wa kuuza na inakuwa self service unaweka coins au noti zako na bidhaa inatoka (cost of labour kule ni kubwa sana tofauti na huku unaweza ukapata watu wanne wa kukuuzia bidhaa zako kwa miaka minne kwa cost ya vending machine moja) pia nadhani hizo vending machines zake huenda asipokei pesa jambo ambalo linaweza kupelekea kuajiri mtu wa kupokea pesa.., which negates the all point all together

quit story nyingi bwana anasema he is happy na biashara ya maziwa thro the machines coz he is making profit. haukusema net is shillingi moja au 500. pili anaimport na kuuza machines na anaongezea bidha zingine pamoja na maziwa.period!!!!!!kule unatoa story tofauti na anachosema yeye sjui kaka.

 

[the palm]

Mawazo yako c mabaya sana ila kama haukubaliani na hii business idea tuachie wenzio tunaokubaliana nayo kuliko kuanza kuipinga kwa nguvu zote kwani haulazimishwi kukubaliana nayo.....haijalishi jamaa anapata faida shilingi ngapi ila ameridhika na wazo lake na anatamani likue na lifike mbali zaidi na hii ndo maana ya biashara lazima ikue..kwa hatua aliyofikia c ndogo na anastahili pongezi......lazima tujue biashara c lazima ufanye kitu unique bali ni kulipa soko bidhaa/huduma inayoiihitaji kwa lengo la kupata faida.

 

[BIGURUBE]

Hii imeanzia India wakuu, walizindua mwaka 2013

 

[Logikos]

quit story nyingi bwana anasema he is happy na biashara ya maziwa thro the machines coz he is making profit. haukusema net is shillingi moja au 500. pili anaimport na kuuza machines na anaongezea bidha zingine pamoja na maziwa.period!!!!!!kule unatoa story tofauti na anachosema yeye sjui kaka.

Mawazo yako c mabaya sana ila kama haukubaliani na hii business idea tuachie wenzio tunaokubaliana nayo kuliko kuanza kuipinga kwa nguvu zote kwani haulazimishwi kukubaliana nayo.....haijalishi jamaa anapata faida shilingi ngapi ila ameridhika na wazo lake na anatamani likue na lifike mbali zaidi na hii ndo maana ya biashara lazima ikue..kwa hatua aliyofikia c ndogo na anastahili pongezi......lazima tujue biashara c lazima ufanye kitu unique bali ni kulipa soko bidhaa/huduma inayoiihitaji kwa lengo la kupata faida.

Wakuu Since hii ni Business na hili ni Jukwaa la Biashara na Huyu mdau anauza hizo mashine mpaka kwa individuals lazima tuangalie viability ya business kwa mtu wa kawaida kununua hio mashine, Kumbuka hii mashine ni 650,000/= kshs kwa mashine ndogo ambazo ni milioni kumi na mbili na pesa za Kibongo..

Kabla ya yote kumbuka nilisema hii inaweza ikawa good idea kama marketing strategy au as a Brand Awareness/Promotion.., sababu hata kama mashine isipoingiza pesa nyingi za ku-break even ila bado yale matangazo na kuongeza brand ni faida kubwa zaidi.., sababu kila mtu akiingia sehemu akiona Brand yako ya Kampuni unakuwa umemtangazia hata kama hanunui.., Kwahio hii inaweza ikawa ni strategy nzuri kwa huyu bwana na kampuni/maziwa yake au watu kama AZAM na Juices zao au Tanga Fresh na Maziwa Mara.., ila huenda isiwe idea nzuri kwa Kapuku kununua hii mashine ili akanunue maziwa aweke humo alafu aanze kuuza.

Pili bei ya hii mashine.., unless ni full automated yaani hauitaji mtu wa kupokea pesa na kutoa chenji sioni kwanini mtu wa kawaida alipie hicho kiasi chote wakati huenda fridge ya kawaida ingetosha au ingeweza kuwa modified ikawa ina dispense maziwa. (its too high a price kwa individual ukizangia ushindani na margins zilivyo hii itakuwa extra investment kwake itakayochukua muda mrefu sana kulicover hio pesa)

Njia nyingine labda angesema badala ya kuuza hizo mashine angekuwa anawapa watu (so long as wanauza kiasi fulani cha maziwa kwa siku) anawapa wanaweka kwenye maduka yao Mfano kama wanavyofanya makampuni ya Soda kwa kugawa fridges zao / kuwaazima wauzaji wanaouza kiasi fulani kwa muda fulani hence its a win win mwenye mashine anapata coverage kubwa zaidi na mwenye duka anapata fridge / mashine ya kuweza kuwahudumia wateja wake

 

[waltham]

Wakuu Since hii ni Business na hili ni Jukwaa la Biashara na Huyu mdau anauza hizo mashine mpaka kwa individuals lazima tuangalie viability ya business kwa mtu wa kawaida kununua hio mashine, Kumbuka hii mashine ni 650,000/= kshs kwa mashine ndogo ambazo ni milioni kumi na mbili na pesa za Kibongo..

Kabla ya yote kumbuka nilisema hii inaweza ikawa good idea kama marketing strategy au as a Brand Awareness/Promotion.., sababu hata kama mashine isipoingiza pesa nyingi za ku-break even ila bado yale matangazo na kuongeza brand ni faida kubwa zaidi.., sababu kila mtu akiingia sehemu akiona Brand yako ya Kampuni unakuwa umemtangazia hata kama hanunui.., Kwahio hii inaweza ikawa ni strategy nzuri kwa huyu bwana na kampuni/maziwa yake au watu kama AZAM na Juices zao au Tanga Fresh na Maziwa Mara.., ila huenda isiwe idea nzuri kwa Kapuku kununua hii mashine ili akanunue maziwa aweke humo alafu aanze kuuza.

Pili bei ya hii mashine.., unless ni full automated yaani hauitaji mtu wa kupokea pesa na kutoa chenji sioni kwanini mtu wa kawaida alipie hicho kiasi chote wakati huenda fridge ya kawaida ingetosha au ingeweza kuwa modified ikawa ina dispense maziwa. (its too high a price kwa individual ukizangia ushindani na margins zilivyo hii itakuwa extra investment kwake itakayochukua muda mrefu sana kulicover hio pesa)

Njia nyingine labda angesema badala ya kuuza hizo mashine angekuwa anawapa watu (so long as wanauza kiasi fulani cha maziwa kwa siku) anawapa wanaweka kwenye maduka yao Mfano kama wanavyofanya makampuni ya Soda kwa kugawa fridges zao / kuwaazima wauzaji wanaouza kiasi fulani kwa muda fulani hence its a win win mwenye mashine anapata coverage kubwa zaidi na mwenye duka anapata fridge / mashine ya kuweza kuwahudumia wateja wake

bwana wee, mwenyewe anabusiness model yake serving him better, na ameridhika, sasa consultancy ni wewe umpelekee au ufungua biashara wewe mwenyewe. mimi na wewe kuponda haitusaidii.

 

[Logikos]

bwana wee, mwenyewe anabusiness model yake serving him better, na ameridhika, sasa consultancy ni wewe umpelekee au ufungua biashara wewe mwenyewe. mimi na wewe kuponda haitusaidii.

Waafrica bana.., tuna tatizo moja kubwa sana.., mtu akiuliza maswali ya msingi kutokana na biashara fulani au kabla watu hawajanunua unaona mtu anaponda..., Nadhani ingekuwa vema tuwe na Jukwaa la kupeana hongera na questions asked..

Hii ni open forum ambayo mtu yoyote anaweza kuona na kusoma hapa, hivyo basi huenda huyo mmiliki anaweza akaingia hapa na akiona haya maswali akaweza kuyajibu /kufafanua vizuri jambo ambalo huenda likamsaidia hata potential buyer wa hizo Machine / ATM / Milk Dispenser / Fridges

 

[waltham]

Waafrica bana.., tuna tatizo moja kubwa sana.., mtu akiuliza maswali ya msingi kutokana na biashara fulani au kabla watu hawajanunua unaona mtu anaponda..., Nadhani ingekuwa vema tuwe na Jukwaa la kupeana hongera na questions asked..

Hii ni open forum ambayo mtu yoyote anaweza kuona na kusoma hapa, hivyo basi huenda huyo mmiliki anaweza akaingia hapa na akiona haya maswali akaweza kuyajibu /kufafanua vizuri jambo ambalo huenda likamsaidia hata potential buyer wa hizo Machine / ATM / Milk Dispenser / Fridges

uliza mwenyewe hayo maswali kwa sababu mwafrika mmoja ni wewe na shinda hiyo hiyo.huna habari toka kwa mwenyewe.habari nyepesi kwa magazeti haitoshi.nenda kwa kwake. kama ungeongea in general terms tungekuelewa.lakini in specifics, bro. its time to quit until you talk to the owner.

 

[Logikos]

uliza mwenyewe hayo maswali kwa sababu mwafrika mmoja ni wewe na shinda hiyo hiyo.huna habari toka kwa mwenyewe.habari nyepesi kwa magazeti haitoshi.nenda kwa kwake. kama ungeongea in general terms tungekuelewa.lakini in specifics, bro. its time to quit until you talk to the owner.

Hili Jukwaa lingekuwa mtu anasubiri kuuliza maswali kwa owner mwenyewe basi kungekuwa na topics chache sana.., alafu ni nani amekwambia kwamba owner haruhusiwi kuingia humu ? au una uhakika gani kwamba owner hayupo humu ? hizo ni questions na doubts ambazo nimeziweka hapo juu hazifutiki, hata kama hazitajibiwa leo au kesho huenda kuna siku zikajibiwa.., pia sio lazima owner mwenyewe ajibu huenda kuna mtu ameshanunua hii mashine anaweza akaleta changamoto au mafanikio yake, that is how communication works.., wewe kama hujui unaacha kuna mwingine huenda anajua, au kama wewe hauna swali na unachukulia vitu on the face value basi wengine wapo tofauti na kumbuka hapa umetoa kitu ambacho kinaweza kuwekwa sokoni ili watu wanunue kwahio kuna every right ya kuchambua each and every specific; ndio maana maswali yangu / doubts zikuzielekeza kwako bali nimeongelea points in general.., sasa unavyosema nimeingia kwenye specifics sijuii unamaanisha nini ? Na points nilizoziweka sijasema exclusively ajibu mtu fulani bali according to the article.., tumeona bei ya mashine; tumeona gross profit na tumeona gross anayopata yeye katika mashine hivyo si vibaya tukichambua na mtu aki-invest kwenye hii mashine return on investment ipo vipi.., Kumbuka hapa tu sio yeye anapata ngapi bali na atakayenunua atapata ngapi

 

[waltham]

Hili Jukwaa lingekuwa mtu anasubiri kuuliza maswali kwa owner mwenyewe basi kungekuwa na topics chache sana.., alafu ni nani amekwambia kwamba owner haruhusiwi kuingia humu ? au una uhakika gani kwamba owner hayupo humu ? hizo ni questions na doubts ambazo nimeziweka hapo juu hazifutiki, hata kama hazitajibiwa leo au kesho huenda kuna siku zikajibiwa.., pia sio lazima owner mwenyewe ajibu huenda kuna mtu ameshanunua hii mashine anaweza akaleta changamoto au mafanikio yake, that is how communication works.., wewe kama hujui unaacha kuna mwingine huenda anajua, au kama wewe hauna swali na unachukulia vitu on the face value basi wengine wapo tofauti na kumbuka hapa umetoa kitu ambacho kinaweza kuwekwa sokoni ili watu wanunue kwahio kuna every right ya kuchambua each and every specific; ndio maana maswali yangu / doubts zikuzielekeza kwako bali nimeongelea points in general.., sasa unavyosema nimeingia kwenye specifics sijuii unamaanisha nini ? Na points nilizoziweka sijasema exclusively ajibu mtu fulani bali according to the article.., tumeona bei ya mashine; tumeona gross profit na tumeona gross anayopata yeye katika mashine hivyo si vibaya tukichambua na mtu aki-invest kwenye hii mashine return on investment ipo vipi.., Kumbuka hapa tu sio yeye anapata ngapi bali na atakayenunua atapata ngapi

all am saying to you ni quit to be know all and master of none type of fellows. you criticism other peoples ventures and you know zero about those people and their ventures. you sound ridiculous fellow. wacha ujuaji wa peni mbili kaka. talk about general vending machines lakini sio Juma na Gitonga huna ufahamu nao na biashara zao. Biashara ipo Kenya kaka. to be a constructive critic about someone you got to get all about them and their business and other issues. otherwise stick to general information which you also seem to lack!!!!!!!!

 

[Logikos]

all am saying to you ni quit to be know all and master of none type of fellows. you criticism other peoples ventures and you know zero about those people and their ventures. you sound ridiculous fellow. wacha ujuaji wa peni mbili kaka. talk about general vending machines lakini sio Juma na Gitonga huna ufahamu nao na biashara zao. Biashara ipo Kenya kaka. to be a constructive critic about someone you got to get all about them and their business and other issues. otherwise stick to general information which you also seem to lack!!!!!!!!

I the one who does not know and ask questions end up to be more informed than you whom you pretend to know and actually its seem you know nothing..

You are the One in the know so why don't you answer my questions, so I end up knowing as much as you know ?

You can not bring here a business venture which involves people purchasing machines and when asked about the details you end up hiding behind the guy is happy with his business.., he might be happy actually very happy when pocketing 650,000 kshs.., when selling that machine but what about the individual purchaser ?