Big-Time Investors Pump in $4.250bn

[Bitter pill]

Usichanganyikiwe ndugu. $63 bn ni GDP ya KE ya 2015. $70 bn ni ya 2016. Hatuwezi ongea ya 2017 hadi 2017 iishe. Halafu wacha nikuandikie structure ya economy ya Kenya ukilinganisha na T.Z ndio uelewe mbona KE tuna uchumi mkubwa sana Kushinda T.Z
Kwanza tuna service sector kubwa sana kushinda T.Z by far. Ebu ona Tuskys na Nakumatt hata kama Nakumatt ina matatizo bado ilikuwa hapo T.Z kwa miaka mingi. KCB bank iko hadi South Sudan. Baadhi ya benki zetu ni kubwa kushinda zenu.Baadhi ya telecomm zetu ni kubwa kwa mfano Safaricom is the biggest company in E.A. Yaani ukipiga hesabu ya service companies za Kenya na service sector in general ni kubwa. T.Z mko na mining sector kubwa kushinda KE. Kenya tuko na real estate sector kubwa kuwashinda. Infrastructure yetu ni worth billions of dollars na bado nyingi zinaundwa tu. Sisi hatuexport vitu nyingi kama nyinyi lakini tuko sawa interms of remittance from Kenyans living abroad na kuexport tea, coffee, vegetables and flowers. Kampuni zetu za East Afrika zinatuma profit back home e.t.c. Nadhani unastahili kuanza kusoma mambo haya ya uchumi kwa undani kwani naona unayapenda.

Hujajibu ulichoulizwa,ni hivi,explain 70+GDP in details,ilivyopatikana,not such simple explanation ur giving.

 

[Kafrican]

You get my point now of all what I n Ndii have been saying about my doubt on ur figures.

Having more FDI creates the impression that your country has lots of investments , you can easily use that to attract more investment, why would GoK declare less FDI , that would't make sence when you all know Kenya never misses an opportunity that gives us a better perception in the community of nations

 

[Kafrican]

And malnutrition

Tanzania, the country with plenty of fertile land!
Mulnutrition and undernutrition causes stunted growth..

Stunted growth, also known as stunting and nutritional stunting, is a reduced growth rate in human development. It is a primary manifestation of malnutrition (or more precisely undernutrition) and recurrent infections, such as diarrhea and helminthiasis, in early childhood and even before birth, due to malnutrition during fetal development brought on by a malnourished mother. Stunted growth - Wikipedia


This is UNICEF's profile of Tanzania

Tanzania has made striking progress in many health indicators over the past decade, but not nutritional status.
Stunting currently affects 42 per cent of under five children, and is only a two percentage points lower than it was five years ago. The burden of stunting in Tanzania ranks third in Sub-Saharan Africa, after Ethiopia and the Democratic Republic of Congo.UNICEF Tanzania - Nutrition - Overview


------------- Tibu chongo kabla utuambie sisi ni kengeza

 

[joto la jiwe]

Mkuu una PhD? Kama huna changamkia hiyo fursa mapema..

Hayo maswali yako ni fikirishi sana.. Unatoka na Thesis moja bomba sana

Mkuu hata chuo kikuu sijakanyaga zaidi ya kupita na daladala nikielekea changanyikeni, ila nipo mbioni kuongezea maksi zitakazoniwezesha kuanza degree ya kwanza mwakani au mwaka 2019.

 

[Tony254]

Hujajibu ulichoulizwa,ni hivi,explain 70+GDP in details,ilivyopatikana,not such simple explanation ur giving.

Sawa. Data yote unayotaka utaipata hapa. Usitegemee nikutafunie na nikumezee chakula. Nenda kwa section ya GDP kisha tafuta mwenyewe mwaka unayotaka.

Third Quarter 2016 GDP Release - Kenya National Bureau of Statistics

 

[joto la jiwe]

Ndo maana huwa ninawaambia kila siku data zao ni za kupikwa na Jubilee! Kaka umefanya kosa kutoni-tag kwenye hii argument. Maana mimi ni strong believer wa unachosema. Kingine ukiacha financial n mobile sectors ambazo kwa Tanzania pia zinakua with mobile sector even performing better than in Kenya, airline industry yao inagonga loss kila siku na inamaanisha ina-shrink.

Kwenye construction sector Tanzania is the largest cement n now steel producer in the region n what's funny not accounted in their sinister biased calculation. N as far as infrastructure projects just like their Mombasa-Nairobi project there is a significant progress towards our SGR with Dar-Morogoro section U/C! While tender for Dar-Chalinze 100km super highway is open. Meanwhile 2 fly over projects in Dar U/C aside massive airports construction around the country n several roads n power projects across the country.

Mind u new construction boom in Dodoma n earlier on in Mtwara, massive Dar, Tanga, Mwanza, Kigoma n Mtwara ports expansion, massive water projects including pipelines financed by government of India around Victoria basin, central Tanzania n Dar n lastly, Hoima-Tanga pipeline are not factored.

In Tourism sector though Nairobi has had several hotels (at least 6) U/C Dar is also having hotels U/C from Nyerere Tower, behind Uhuru Height, at Mzizima Towers aside Morroco Area n Kawe n Mlimani City n not to forget Magufuli stopped a 5 star hotel construction in Sabasaba grounds n at least two resorts around Kigamboni though not much publicized. While Arusha n Mwanza are also having some meanwhile Zanzibar is making a kill in that sector. To me Kenya beats us only in their media exaggeration. A thing I don't feel offended as far as i know what really happens on the ground btn these two countries.

Geza ulole, mimi humu jamvini ni mgeni, japo nilikua ninafuatilia malumbano kwa zaidi ya miaka miwili nyuma, ila kutokana na majukumu sikuweza kujiunga, nimejiunga mwezi August, mwaka huu, kwa hiyo sijajua mambo mengi, kama hilo la kumtag mtu, ama kuwka video clip, au kuweka link, nitaomba unisaidia katika hayo, ninapatikana kwa whatsapp 0715317003.

Kwa kipindi chote nilichokua ninafuatilia malumbano kwa hiyo miaka miwili, kuna mambo nimegundua
1) Watanzania wanaijua zaidi Kenya, kuliko wakenya wanavyoijua Tanzania, hii ni kwasababu wakenya wanaandika na kutangaza kila kitu kinachotokea nchini mwao kuliko Tanzania wanavyoandika
2)Kutokana na hiyo sababu ya kwanza, wakenya bado wanamawazo ya Tanzania ile ya 1990, inakuwa ngumu kuhamisha mawazo kwa haraka na kuyaleta 2017
3)Majadiliano mengi yanatawaliwa na uzalendo zaidi na kuliko kutumia rational thinking. Hili ni tatizo la waafrika wengi, kitu kikiandikwa au kusemwa na mtu, aushirika fulani, sisi hatuwezi tena kulifanyia in deep analysis, tunalifanya kama ni neno la Mungu

 

[joto la jiwe]

Fanya hivi ni ngumu kukuelezea juu unasema unataka hard facts. Kuna mahali tatu unaeza pata hard World bank website, IMF website na Kenya National Bureau of Statistics na hizo zote zinasema Kenya iko na GDP ya $70 bn. Na kwa sababu unataka hard facts basi huna budi ila kuenda huko na kujisomea mwenyewe hiyo hard facts unayotaka. Lakini utaona wamasema kitu ninachokisema

Tony254, bado ninaamini kwamba, wewe ni miongoni mwa wakenya humu jamvini ambao wanauwezo wa kujenga hoja, mimi sijakataa hizo taarifa za IMF wala zingine zozote, mimi ninataka kutumia taarifa za data alizoziweka Kafrika kuonyesha kwamba gap linaongezeka kati ya Kenya na Tanzania, nikasema tuanzie hapo hapo 2010, tulitafute hilo gap, na nikatoa five options ambazo kama kweli hilo gap linaongezeka basihuenda hivyo vitu vitano vinachangia.

Kuna maneno mengi yametolewa na watu na mashirika mbali mbali yanayodhani kwamba Kenya inatoa taarifa zisizosahihi kwa IMF na WB juu ya ukweli kuhusu ukuaji wa uchumi wake ili kuvutia mitaji, hili hatuwezi kulikubali au kulikataa moja kwa moja, ndiyo sababu nikasema twendeni taratibu kuona ni vipi GDP ya Kenya ilivyofikia $70B mwaka 2016 kutokea $40B mwaka 2010, ongezeko la 80% ndani ya miaka sita ni kitu cha kuigwa duniani kote haijawahi kutokea, kumbuka rebasing ilipandisha kwa 25% Only, tafadhali sana tujulisheni mlifanyaje hesabu zenu hadi mkafika huko, tunataka kujifunza best practices katika hili,

 

[joto la jiwe]

HIzi hesabu za GDP hata wachanane nazo, kunavyo vigezo vyengine vya kujua ni uchumi gani una pesa nyingi .......

Twende kwa ushuru, unlike GDP ambayo ni hesabu inapigwa juu ya hewa (Virtual Money) , Tax hua ni pesa ambazo ziko ndani ya account yani real money ambazo zimechangwa kutoka kwa kodi... kwa tax hakuna cha estimates wala nini, ni pesa za ukweli ambazo unaeza kutumia kununua kitu..

Tanzania: Record 13.371 Trillion/ - Tax Collection
The Tanzania Revenue Authority (TRA) has registered a milestone record in tax collection for the 2015/16 financial year, collecting 13.371 trillion/-; hence surpassing the 13.366 trillion/- target.
Tanzania: Record 13.371 Trillion/ - Tax Collection

13Trillion TZS ni approx $6Billion


KRA collects Sh1.2 trillion revenue in 2015/2016 financial year
NAIROBI, Kenya, Jul 27 – Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) collected a record Sh1.210 trillion during the 2015/2016 financial marking a 13.2 percent rise.
Releasing KRA’s full year results, Commissioner General John Njiraini stated that the amount was however against the exchequer’s target of Sh1.2174 trillion which KRA missed.


1.2Trillion Ksh ni approx $12Billion





Kwahivyo kodi iliochangwa na KRA ni mara mbili ya iliochangwa na TRA.... You cannot argue with a fact like this one... Kenya doubles tanzania tax collection

Kwanza ninakupongeza kwa kuona kwamba hesabu za GDP sio kitu cha kuimba sana, kuna vitu vinavyoingiza pesa zinazofanya hiyo GDP iwe kuwa, GDP ni economic prevalence while those tributaries of GDP are termed as economic incidences.

Sasa ni muhimu sana kuzizungumzia kwa undani hizi tributaries za uchumi kati ya hizi nchi mbili, hii itatusaidia kuona nani anafanya vizuri maeneo gani ili mwengine ajifunze, katika kupitia hizo tributaries ni lazima kuwe na takwimu zinazo support hivyo, tena data za karibuni ikiwezekana.

Sasa niwakaribishe wachangiaji wa kila pande wataje maeneo ambayo wanadhani ndiyo hasa yanachangia kukua kwa uchumi wa nchi yao ili tulinganishe na tuone hali ya uchumi unavyoelekea.

 

[Al-Watan]

What is more important than what they pump in, is what they pull out.

Can this number be divulged?

 

[GeniSys101]

Kama tutatumia hesabu na takwimu hizo zilizopo(Sitegemi zibadilishwe), GDP ya Kenya mwaka jana 2016 ni $55.17B, na ile ya Tanzania ni 46.51B, ninaomba nirekebishwe kama kuna makosa, na hii kwa kweli ndiyo hali halisi ilivyo, lakushangaza, Kenya GDP iliruka kutoka $40B mwaka 2010 hadi $70B mwaka 2016, ninaomba nifafanuliwe vizuri katika hili tafadhali sana

Asante sana kwa maswali yenye kufikirissha sana chifu. Haya naona wanabukua nondo huko ngoja tuwasubirie maelezo yao

 

[Tony254]

Kwanza ninakupongeza kwa kuona kwamba hesabu za GDP sio kitu cha kuimba sana, kuna vitu vinavyoingiza pesa zinazofanya hiyo GDP iwe kuwa, GDP ni economic prevalence while those tributaries of GDP are termed as economic incidences.

Sasa ni muhimu sana kuzizungumzia kwa undani hizi tributaries za uchumi kati ya hizi nchi mbili, hii itatusaidia kuona nani anafanya vizuri maeneo gani ili mwengine ajifunze, katika kupitia hizo tributaries ni lazima kuwe na takwimu zinazo support hivyo, tena data za karibuni ikiwezekana.

Sasa niwakaribishe wachangiaji wa kila pande wataje maeneo ambayo wanadhani ndiyo hasa yanachangia kukua kwa uchumi wa nchi yao ili tulinganishe na tuone hali ya uchumi unavyoelekea.

Ningependa kuendelea na huu mjadala lakini leo ndio siku yangu ya mwisho hapa Jf. Niko busy lakini wacha nikupe link ya knbs na unaweza kupata GDP ya 2016 kisha uangalie each sector. Kwa mfano unaeza angalia construction sector ilikuwa kwa kiasi gani na ina worth ya pesa ngapi. Unaweza angalia manufacturing sector na kadhalika. Na itanichukua muda kukaa chini kuandika kila sector in pesa ngapi na imekua kwa percentage ngapi ndio maana nimekuekea link usome. Otherwise itakuwa ni kama naandika thesis na itachukua muda.
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) - Kenya National Bureau of Statistics

 

[joto la jiwe]

Anyway loans/debt is not included in FDI inflow, even with common sense, If loans were included in FDI then Kenya would be number one in FDI, we have taken loans amounting to more than $12Billion since 2013, starting with the $3.8B SGR loan taken in 2013 and as you can see kenyans FDI in 2013 was only $372Million ... For 2015 where we got $1.4Billion FDI this was as a result of the $700Million investment in the Turkana wind firm



You make i sound as if rebasing an economy is some form of action done behind closed doors under secrecy and it only happens in Kenya..
Yes in 2013 Kenyas GDP changed after rebasing, Our 2013 economy changed from $42.6Billion to $53.4Billion thats an increase of 25.3%..


You forget that Uganda did the same in the same year in order to update her economy calclations
Uganda's GDP expands by 13 pct after rebasing

And you also forget in the same year Tanzania also followed suit and rebased her economy
Tanzania’s GDP expands by 32 pct after rebasing - officials
Tanzania’s GDP expands by 32% after rebasing - officials - CNBC Africa

After rebasing, Tanzania GDP incrased by 32%!!!!!!!! So between Kenya's 25% change and Tanzania's 32%, whose economy was more cosmeticly recalculated???



And stop bragging about FDI, yes we borrow to build roads and bridges, that means we can afford to pay back the loan and eventually own the project , while FDI means whatever the investor built using his FDI money, he will own it forever and all the profits will go back to the host country and all Tz will get is Tax money and jobs but NEVER ownership, all the gas pipes, LPG plants....even in 2050, they will still be foreign owned... if tomorrow the investor decides to take back his investment, you will be left with a big ZERO!

This forum, and specifically this discussion,should be for learning best practices from each other, stop being protective because that shall restrict your critical thinking ability at the end, do you what to show us that FDI is bad compared to projects which are government loan funded?, do you want people here to start teaching you this simple topic, really?

 

[joto la jiwe]

Ningependa kuendelea na huu mjadala lakini leo ndio siku yangu ya mwisho hapa Jf. Niko busy lakini wacha nikupe link ya knbs na unaweza kupata GDP ya 2016 kisha uangalie each sector. Kwa mfano unaeza angalia construction sector ilikuwa kwa kiasi gani na ina worth ya pesa ngapi. Unaweza angalia manufacturing sector na kadhalika. Na itanichukua muda kukaa chini kuandika kila sector in pesa ngapi na imekua kwa percentage ngapi ndio maana nimekuekea link usome. Otherwise itakuwa ni kama naandika thesis na itachukua muda.
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) - Kenya National Bureau of Statistics

Kabla hujatukimbia katika huu mjadala, na kabla hatujauanza, vipi kuhusu GDP ya $70B ya mwaka 2017, tumeifikiaje kutokea $40B mwaka 2010, na rebasing iliongeza 25% mwaka 2014, please tujulisheni msiwe wachoyo tunataka kujifunza kutoka kwenu tafadhali sana

 

[Zaccheaus Mollel]

While one brother is making more money, the second brother is increasing the speed of spending money

Hiyo twelve U$ bil ni pamoja na mikopo ya ndani na nje so dont lie Tanzania wea are serving our neighbour Kenya spent what they peoduse compare d to us

 

[joto la jiwe]

Hiyo twelve U$ bil ni pamoja na mikopo ya ndani na nje so dont lie Tanzania wea are serving our neighbour Kenya spent what they peoduse compare d to us

Ninahisi mjadala huu ni heavy duty kwako, kuna mijadala mingi sana kule kwenye majukwaa ya watanzania itakufaa zaidi.

 

[Mwanzi1]

on FDI??

Let me put it in another way... Public debt doubles to Sh3.77tn in five years

Kenya's government debt June 2013 was Sh1.89 trillion (using this year exchange rate, thats approx $18Billion).. By June 2017, the debt climed to Sh3.77 trillion .......... 3.77 - 1.89=1.88

So in five years we have accumulated a new debt of $18B if we were to use this data.........
But from the FDI data on Kenya, it shows that between 2013 and 2016 we recieved less than $3Billion when all the FDI is combined..... when the debt we accumulated is over that same period is $18Billion.


Not unless you want to tell me that Kenya is deliberately under declaring its FDI investments, I don't think leans are added into FDI

Here is the thing, your mixing so many things until you forgot what your saying. Just refer to definition of FDI maybe even in Wikipedia.

In short, Kenyan dept and FDI somehow are two separate things but at the same time are connected. When the gov acquire a loan from foreign sources in order to stimulate the economy, that loan is part of foreign direct investment. But in order for that loan to appear on FDI index, the project has to be up and running. Loans and bonds are calculate in the beginning the moment the funds are secured, but FDI they have to wait until the assets are fully functional. This is where rebasing comes in. When Dangote build his cement factory we didn't put that on our FDI list straightaway, it was calculate after the factory was operation. Same as Kenya SGR loan, at moment you'll see it on the loans list but down the line when the project is fully functional, they will have to rebase the numbers and add those billions into the investment pot and hopefully expand the GDP.

 

[saadeque]

Kabla hujatukimbia katika huu mjadala, na kabla hatujauanza, vipi kuhusu GDP ya $70B ya mwaka 2017, tumeifikiaje kutokea $40B mwaka 2010, na rebasing iliongeza 25% mwaka 2014, please tujulisheni msiwe wachoyo tunataka kujifunza kutoka kwenu tafadhali sana

si kwa ubaya but nadhani ungepitia hio link umepewa hapo juu kutoka kenya national bereau of statistics ungepata jibu fasaha la swali laki..sidhani kama ni haki kumwambia tony254 akufafanulie hatua baada ya hatua,kila senti ilivyokuja tangu mwaka wa 2010 hadi 2017 kwenye sekta mbali mbali zinazoongeza gdp

 

[joto la jiwe]

si kwa ubaya but nadhani ungepitia hio link umepewa hapo juu kutoka kenya national bereau of statistics ungepata jibu fasaha la swali laki..sidhani kama ni haki kumwambia tony254 akufafanulie hatua baada ya hatua,kila senti ilivyokuja tangu mwaka wa 2010 hadi 2017 kwenye sekta mbali mbali zinazoongeza gdp

Huko nilishapitia, sikupata jibu, jana mimi na yeye tulipiga hesabu ili kuona hiyo namba ilifikiwaje tukashindwa kuipata, na yeye ni shahidi, kama wewe utakuwa na maelezo ya kutosha tusaidie, kwamba mwaka 2010, hizi nchi zilikuwa na GDP $40B kwa Kenya na uchumi umekua kwa wastani wa 5.5% kwa mwaka, ilipofika mwaka 2014 kulifanyika rebasing iliyopandisha uchumi kwa 25%. Tanzania, GDP $31B, mwaka 2010, uchumi umekua kwa wastani wa 7%, rebasing 2015 ilipandisha uchumi kwa 32%, piga hesabu hadi 2016, GDP za nchi hizi zitakua ngapi?, cha kushangaza kwa Tanzania hesabu zinakubaliana na GDP ya sasa, kwa Kenya haziendani, ukitaka ufafanuzi unapewa links ili ujitafutie mwenyewe, je kuna nini nyuma ya pazia?

 

[Geza Ulole]

Tony254, bado ninaamini kwamba, wewe ni miongoni mwa wakenya humu jamvini ambao wanauwezo wa kujenga hoja, mimi sijakataa hizo taarifa za IMF wala zingine zozote, mimi ninataka kutumia taarifa za data alizoziweka Kafrika kuonyesha kwamba gap linaongezeka kati ya Kenya na Tanzania, nikasema tuanzie hapo hapo 2010, tulitafute hilo gap, na nikatoa five options ambazo kama kweli hilo gap linaongezeka basihuenda hivyo vitu vitano vinachangia.

Kuna maneno mengi yametolewa na watu na mashirika mbali mbali yanayodhani kwamba Kenya inatoa taarifa zisizosahihi kwa IMF na WB juu ya ukweli kuhusu ukuaji wa uchumi wake ili kuvutia mitaji, hili hatuwezi kulikubali au kulikataa moja kwa moja, ndiyo sababu nikasema twendeni taratibu kuona ni vipi GDP ya Kenya ilivyofikia $70B mwaka 2016 kutokea $40B mwaka 2010, ongezeko la 80% ndani ya miaka sita ni kitu cha kuigwa duniani kote haijawahi kutokea, kumbuka rebasing ilipandisha kwa 25% Only, tafadhali sana tujulisheni mlifanyaje hesabu zenu hadi mkafika huko, tunataka kujifunza best practices katika hili,

Mauzo yao ya chai largest export yao huwa yanasua. Jubilee imewaweza...

 

[Geza Ulole]

Ningependa kuendelea na huu mjadala lakini leo ndio siku yangu ya mwisho hapa Jf. Niko busy lakini wacha nikupe link ya knbs na unaweza kupata GDP ya 2016 kisha uangalie each sector. Kwa mfano unaeza angalia construction sector ilikuwa kwa kiasi gani na ina worth ya pesa ngapi. Unaweza angalia manufacturing sector na kadhalika. Na itanichukua muda kukaa chini kuandika kila sector in pesa ngapi na imekua kwa percentage ngapi ndio maana nimekuekea link usome. Otherwise itakuwa ni kama naandika thesis na itachukua muda.
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) - Kenya National Bureau of Statistics

And how is Kenya faring in ranks as far as statistics around Africa are concerned? Is KNBS reliable compared to NBS Tanzania ? Swali lianze hapo