Bill to separate from Kenya officially finished ready for Tabling

[kennedy0000]

If you think there is no win or lose just ask Sammuel999, he is a Kenyan like you from my understanding, but I know because you are a Kikuyu you think you have more wright to represent Kenya than other tribe, but your views are completely different from that of others who are supporting NASA, for them they support separation either constitutionally or unconstitutionally, they are ready to pay any price for that, if necessary they are ready to die.

Sammuel999 is just bitter because his candidate Raila lost. I remember thousands of Americans saying Trump is not their president, but they've learnt to live with it.
I don't believe a Kikuyu has more right to be president. I believe whoever wins a majority has all the right to be president.
And if you understood Kenyan politics, you would know that this secession nonsense is been used by Raila to blackmail Uhuru into giving him Prime Minister position (nusu mkate).
Otherwise if they were serious with secession, the first thing they would do is tell their MPs to resign from the KENYAN parliament and form their own NYANZA parliament.
In Kenya, politicians have personal and business interests all over the country. From wives, to pieces of land, to shares in different companies.
None of them sincerely wants a secession, but they are using it to try and force nusu mkate. But Jubilee has called their bluff.

 

[joto la jiwe]

''Kila kabila linajaribu kuwa na vyuo vikuu vyake..''
Wewe uko na shida kubwa ya porojo. Maeneo mbali mbali kufungua vyuo vikuu haimaanishi motivation ilikuwa ukabila.

''75% ni kikuyu..'' ulifanya hesabu?
Kwa sababu personally university niliyo somea naweza sema kuna wajaluo wengi sana dr. na professors. Kama naweza ulizwa, wajaluo lecturers, professors, heads of departments etc. wako disproportionately more.
Yaani kwenye nchi ambayo wajaluo ni 12%, kwa university nyingi za kitaifa sidhani wako less than 30%.

Nyinyi watanzania huwa mnajifanya mnajua sana. Personally, sijawai skia Mkenya yeyote amekosana na jirani kwa sababu ni wa kabila lingine... isipokuwa tu wakati wa uchaguzi.

Is the education system playing a role in propagating tribalism

 

[kennedy0000]

What about Eritrea where each tribe had its own land like Kenya?, what about South Sudan where each tribe had its land, if being in different location prevent from war, are you mentally ok?

Unlike those countries you are describing, Kenya has a completely functioning government that cannot allow the emergence and growth of armed militia. Any that tries to come up will be defeated in its infancy.
The reason South Sudan and Eritrea reached there is because of weak governments that led to organized armed groups popping up everywhere.

 

[kennedy0000]

Acha maneno yako ya hovyo, ninakutumia mkuu wa chuo kikuu cha Nairobi anavyolalamika kwamba elimu Kenya imeathiriwa na ukabila, na huyo naye upingane naye, ukabila Kenya upo katika sector zote

Serikali huajiri 1% of Kenyans.
A big majority of Kenyans work in the private sector and in other businesses.
Kama maisha yako yote Kenya ulishinda tu Chuo cha Nairobi, basi haukupata nafasi ya kuona wakenya wa kabila zote wakifanya kazi na biashara pamoja huko nje, bila tashwishi.

 

[joto la jiwe]

''Kila kabila linajaribu kuwa na vyuo vikuu vyake..''
Wewe uko na shida kubwa ya porojo. Maeneo mbali mbali kufungua vyuo vikuu haimaanishi motivation ilikuwa ukabila.

''75% ni kikuyu..'' ulifanya hesabu?
Kwa sababu personally university niliyo somea naweza sema kuna wajaluo wengi sana dr. na professors. Kama naweza ulizwa, wajaluo lecturers, professors, heads of departments etc. wako disproportionately more.
Yaani kwenye nchi ambayo wajaluo ni 12%, kwa university nyingi za kitaifa sidhani wako less than 30%.

Nyinyi watanzania huwa mnajifanya mnajua sana. Personally, sijawai skia Mkenya yeyote amekosana na jirani kwa sababu ni wa kabila lingine... isipokuwa tu wakati wa uchaguzi.

http://www.kenpro.org/effects-of-tribalism-in-kenya/

Ripoti ya KENPRO hii hapa inayoonyesha kwamba ukabila umevamia sector zote za maisha nchini Kenya, wewe unayebisha lete taarifa ya report iloyofanyiwa utafiti kama huu wa KENPRO kuthibitisha unayosema

 

[kennedy0000]

http://www.kenpro.org/effects-of-tribalism-in-kenya/

Ripoti ya KENPRO hii hapa inayoonyesha kwamba ukabila umevamia sector zote za maisha nchini Kenya, wewe unayebisha lete taarifa ya report iloyofanyiwa utafiti kama huu wa KENPRO kuthibitisha unayosema

Hivi NGO lazima zionyeshe kazi zinazo fanya ili donors waendelee kutuma pesa.
Na by the way, sikusema hakuna ukabila. Nilisema kwamba hujitokeza sana wakati wa uchaguzi.
Katika biashara na private employment, sijawai shuhudia au kwambiwa na mtu kwamba hakupewa kazi kwa sababu alitoka kabila hili, au analipwa mshahara kidogo kwa sababu ni wa kabila tofauti (wahindi tu ndio wana hii tabia).

 

[joto la jiwe]

Sammuel999 is just bitter because his candidate Raila lost. I remember thousands of Americans saying Trump is not their president, but they've learnt to live with it.
I don't believe a Kikuyu has more right to be president. I believe whoever wins a majority has all the right to be president.
And if you understood Kenyan politics, you would know that this secession nonsense is been used by Raila to blackmail Uhuru into giving him Prime Minister position (nusu mkate).
Otherwise if they were serious with secession, the first thing they would do is tell their MPs to resign from the KENYAN parliament and form their own NYANZA parliament.
In Kenya, politicians have personal and business interests all over the country. From wives, to pieces of land, to shares in different companies.
None of them sincerely wants a secession, but they are using it to try and force nusu mkate. But Jubilee has called their bluff.

The same applies to you, you seem to support Government because your tribe kings won election through back door, that's why Supreme court cancelled the results, and if you are talking about politicians not to be honest, why do you only target those from oppositions only?, even politicians from Jubilee they force in order to get favors from their tribe men, a politician is a politician, they never change and become honest just because is from your tribe.

About MP to resign, is good idea, but to start with they need to remain in the parliament because they are going to start using constitutional means to fight for their freedom, if fails then they will resign as per your suggestion.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Hivi NGO lazima zionyeshe kazi zinazo fanya ili donors waendelee kutuma pesa.
Na by the way, sikusema hakuna ukabila. Nilisema kwamba hujitokeza sana wakati wa uchaguzi.
Katika biashara na private employment, sijawai shuhudia au kwambiwa na mtu kwamba hakupewa kazi kwa sababu alitoka kabila hili, au analipwa mshahara kidogo kwa sababu ni wa kabila tofauti (wahindi tu ndio wana hii tabia).

Sasa wewe kila report unayopewa unaikataa kwa sababu tu inazungumza against kabila lako, sasa wewe lete report unayoiamini wewe inayoonyesha kwamba ukabila hujitokeza tu siku za uchaguzi, ninaomba report sio maneno peke yake, kwa sababu wewe hujakutana na mtu aliyesema amekosa kazi au amedhulumiwa kutokana na ukabila basi unahisi hawapo?, kumbuka kwa sababu wewe ni mkikuyu na kwa njia moja ama nyingine unafaidika kwa system iliyopo, lazima ama utatea, au kweli hutokutana na wale ambao sio wakikuyu kwa sababu tu wanakuogopa kukuambia, wanakuweka kundi moja la oppressors, Sasa mimi nimekutana nao wengi tu nilipokua hapo Nairobi, na hata hizi report zinaonyesha hivyo na wengi wa wafanyakazi waliokusanya hizi report ni wakikuyu, hawana sababu yoyoteya kudanganya, kwa sababu hata hao wanaowapa pesa hawana chuki dhidi ya Kenya

 

[joto la jiwe]

Unlike those countries you are describing, Kenya has a completely functioning government that cannot allow the emergence and growth of armed militia. Any that tries to come up will be defeated in its infancy.
The reason South Sudan and Eritrea reached there is because of weak governments that led to organized armed groups popping up everywhere.

Nimekuambia Eretria ilipokuwa sehemu ya Ethiopia, au South Sudan ilipokuwa sehemu ya Sudan, nchi zote mbili zilikuwa na Serikali imara na majeshi imara kuliko Kenya, na hizi nchi zilianza kudharau haya majimbo yalipotangaza kwamba yatajitenga, walisema watawazimisha kwa kutumia nguvu ya jeshi, je unakumbuka vita vyao vilikoishia?, Kenya jeshi lenu kwanza ni dhahifu sana, pili limegawanyika kiukabila, haliwezi kushinda hiyo vita kwa sababu, Jaluo, walihya, wakamba na watu wa pwani walioko jeshini hawawezi kwenda kuwapiga wazazi wao

 

[joto la jiwe]

Serikali huajiri 1% of Kenyans.
A big majority of Kenyans work in the private sector and in other businesses.
Kama maisha yako yote Kenya ulishinda tu Chuo cha Nairobi, basi haukupata nafasi ya kuona wakenya wa kabila zote wakifanya kazi na biashara pamoja huko nje, bila tashwishi.

Mimi sikusoma Nairobi, nilikuwa ninafanya kazi kwa hiyo ninawajua vizuri sana ninyi wakenya na ukabila wenu, hata sehemu mbali mbali za kupata kinywanyi ni tribe based

 

[kennedy0000]

The same applies to you, you seem to support Government because your tribe kings won election through back door, that's why Supreme court cancelled the results, and if you are talking about politicians not to be honest, why do you only target those from oppositions only?, even politicians from Jubilee they force in order to get favors from their tribe men, a politician is a politician, they never change and become honest just because is from your tribe.

About MP to resign, is good idea, but to start with they need to remain in the parliament because they are going to start using constitutional means to fight for their freedom, if fails then they will resign as per your suggestion.

1. Supreme Court NEVER stated that Uhuru stole or won through the back door. They said that a few returning officers failed to sign etc., and thus nullified the whole process.
In any case, Nasa had their agents in most polling stations. Yet they did not produce a single one to say that in polling station X, we signed off on these numbers, but eventually they were changed to Y at Bomas.

2. Jubilee subjected itself to the ruling of the Supreme Court and agreed to go for another election. Nasa has sworn that no matter what the Supreme Court rules this time round, they will continue demonstrating to have an interim government and another election in 6 months.
Raila pulls arbitrary numbers from his head, sets his own election date and then declares it as law. First it was 60 days, then 90 days, now 6 months.

3. Nasa MPs will NEVER resign. Raila told them to forfeit one month salary to fund Nasa demos and they refused.
And for you to even think that they would ever resign shows you have no understanding of Kenyan politics. I can bet 99% of them don't even support secession, but have to say it publicly to please Raila.

For 4 years, I was a heavy critic of Jubilee, especially on corruption. I have never believed Jubilee politicians are 'honest'. In any case, I am waiting for all this circus to be over so I can resume my critic of government misdeeds.

On August, my choice was simple. Do I vote for 2 corrupt guys who have done quite a commendable job in infrastructure especially?
Or do I vote for 5 corrupt guys who have nothing to show in all their years in government?

 

[kennedy0000]

Sasa wewe kila report unayopewa unaikataa kwa sababu tu inazungumza against kabila lako, sasa wewe lete report unayoiamini wewe inayoonyesha kwamba ukabila hujitokeza tu siku za uchaguzi, ninaomba report sio maneno peke yake, kwa sababu wewe hujakutana na mtu aliyesema amekosa kazi au amedhulumiwa kutokana na ukabila basi unahisi hawapo?, kumbuka kwa sababu wewe ni mkikuyu na kwa njia moja ama nyingine unafaidika kwa system iliyopo, lazima ama utatea, au kweli hutokutana na wale ambao sio wakikuyu kwa sababu tu wanakuogopa kukuambia, wanakuweka kundi moja la oppressors, Sasa mimi nimekutana nao wengi tu nilipokua hapo Nairobi, na hata hizi report zinaonyesha hivyo na wengi wa wafanyakazi waliokusanya hizi report ni wakikuyu, hawana sababu yoyoteya kudanganya, kwa sababu hata hao wanaowapa pesa hawana chuki dhidi ya Kenya

Hio ripoti kuna pahali iliongea kuhusu kabila langu?
In any case ukabila huwa both ways.
Na ningetaka sana uniambia njia moja nimefaidika na serikali kwa sababu ya kuwa mkikuyu.
The same way, niambie njia moja mjaluo alidhulumiwa na serikali ya Jubilee tangu 2013 hadi twende uchaguzi.

 

[joto la jiwe]

1. Supreme Court NEVER stated that Uhuru stole or won through the back door. They said that a few returning officers failed to sign etc., and thus nullified the whole process.
In any case, Nasa had their agents in most polling stations. Yet they did not produce a single one to say that in polling station X, we signed off on these numbers, but eventually they were changed to Y at Bomas.

2. Jubilee subjected itself to the ruling of the Supreme Court and agreed to go for another election. Nasa has sworn that no matter what the Supreme Court rules this time round, they will continue demonstrating to have an interim government and another election in 6 months.
Raila pulls arbitrary numbers from his head, sets his own election date and then declares it as law. First it was 60 days, then 90 days, now 6 months.

3. Nasa MPs will NEVER resign. Raila told them to forfeit one month salary to fund Nasa demos and they refused.
And for you to even think that they would ever resign shows you have no understanding of Kenyan politics. I can bet 99% of them don't even support secession, but have to say it publicly to please Raila.

For 4 years, I was a heavy critic of Jubilee, especially on corruption. I have never believed Jubilee politicians are 'honest'. In any case, I am waiting for all this circus to be over so I can resume my critic of government misdeeds.

On August, my choice was simple. Do I vote for 2 corrupt guys who have done quite a commendable job in infrastructure especially?
Or do I vote for 5 corrupt guys who have nothing to show in all their years in government?

Those are languages used by people who want to be seen not guilty, the fact that supreme court found irregularity and illegality it means that it was through back door

 

[kennedy0000]

Nimekuambia Eretria ilipokuwa sehemu ya Ethiopia, au South Sudan ilipokuwa sehemu ya Sudan, nchi zote mbili zilikuwa na Serikali imara na majeshi imara kuliko Kenya, na hizi nchi zilianza kudharau haya majimbo yalipotangaza kwamba yatajitenga, walisema watawazimisha kwa kutumia nguvu ya jeshi, je unakumbuka vita vyao vilikoishia?, Kenya jeshi lenu kwanza ni dhahifu sana, pili limegawanyika kiukabila, haliwezi kushinda hiyo vita kwa sababu, Jaluo, walihya, wakamba na watu wa pwani walioko jeshini hawawezi kwenda kuwapiga wazazi wao

Kutoka kitambo, both Sudan na Ethiopia zimekuwa na shida mingi. Stability haijawai patikana vizuri, na kila mara unaskia vita.
Ata ndio ifike ambapo Eritrean separationists walikuwa na silaha za kupigana na serikali ya Ethiopia, inaonyesha how weak the government was.
Sasa, kama ni vita, jaluo wa Nyanza labda watupe mawe.
Kenyan government has been strong since independence and no militia has ever spun out of control

 

[joto la jiwe]

1. Supreme Court NEVER stated that Uhuru stole or won through the back door. They said that a few returning officers failed to sign etc., and thus nullified the whole process.
In any case, Nasa had their agents in most polling stations. Yet they did not produce a single one to say that in polling station X, we signed off on these numbers, but eventually they were changed to Y at Bomas.

2. Jubilee subjected itself to the ruling of the Supreme Court and agreed to go for another election. Nasa has sworn that no matter what the Supreme Court rules this time round, they will continue demonstrating to have an interim government and another election in 6 months.
Raila pulls arbitrary numbers from his head, sets his own election date and then declares it as law. First it was 60 days, then 90 days, now 6 months.

3. Nasa MPs will NEVER resign. Raila told them to forfeit one month salary to fund Nasa demos and they refused.
And for you to even think that they would ever resign shows you have no understanding of Kenyan politics. I can bet 99% of them don't even support secession, but have to say it publicly to please Raila.

For 4 years, I was a heavy critic of Jubilee, especially on corruption. I have never believed Jubilee politicians are 'honest'. In any case, I am waiting for all this circus to be over so I can resume my critic of government misdeeds.

On August, my choice was simple. Do I vote for 2 corrupt guys who have done quite a commendable job in infrastructure especially?
Or do I vote for 5 corrupt guys who have nothing to show in all their years in government?

But from your argument it is clear that you are very tribalist person, to you the opposition is nonsense they should be ignored and can't do anything, if you did not know the meaning of someone to be a tribalist, look at yourself, you are a very good representative of tribalists and tribalism

 

[kennedy0000]

Those are languages used by people who want to be seen not guilty, the fact that supreme court found irregularity and illegality it means that it was through back door

''Irregularity and illegality'' That's a language of people who lost.
Why do you always use that general phrase?

Because if you bothered to read the ruling, the 'irregularities and illegalities' that led to the nullification were only 2 things.

1. Lack of signatures, watermarks, serial numbers ... on the Form 34Bs (irregularity that is contested. Maraga did not check the originals)
2. IEBC chairman announcing final results before he received all results (procedural illegality)
3. IEBC not opening the servers to Nasa's liking. (Not an irregularity and not an illegality)

 

[kennedy0000]

But from your argument it is clear that you are very tribalist person, to you the opposition is nonsense they should be ignored and can't do anything, if you did not know the meaning of someone to be a tribalist, look at yourself, you are a very good representative of tribalists and tribalism

Shallow mind. I expected you'll give replies point by point but you've chosen to put words in my mouth.
Whether you believe me or not, I voted for Raila in 2013 and supported him in 2007 (I didn't vote).
I have employed several people in my business and never have I once considered tribe to be a hiring factor.

Nasa is entitled to their opinion and their actions, but when they choose to go outside the constitution, that's where they start stepping on my freedoms.
The Supreme Court is there for all of us. Jubilee did not agree with it last time, but followed its directive.
Raila is not god so he can set for himself election dates and appoint IEBC officials.
If the man who claims he wants to be president can never bring himself to follow the laws and constitution, then what should ordinary Kenyans do?

 

[joto la jiwe]

''Irregularity and illegality'' That's a language of people who lost.
Why do you always use that general phrase?

Because if you bothered to read the ruling, the 'irregularities and illegalities' that led to the nullification were only 2 things.

1. Lack of signatures, watermarks, serial numbers ... on the Form 34Bs (irregularity that is contested. Maraga did not check the originals)
2. IEBC chairman announcing final results before he received all results (procedural illegality)
3. IEBC not opening the servers to Nasa's liking. (Not an irregularity and not an illegality)

Why GoK untill today doesn't give any explanation on who killed Msonde,
2)Why IEBC refused to obey court order to open servers for auditing
3) The fact that forms were not signed and announcement was done prematurely accompanied with allegation of pressure from state house is enough to suspect that all these irregularities and illegalities were for the benefitst of winners

 

[joto la jiwe]

''Irregularity and illegality'' That's a language of people who lost.
Why do you always use that general phrase?

Because if you bothered to read the ruling, the 'irregularities and illegalities' that led to the nullification were only 2 things.

1. Lack of signatures, watermarks, serial numbers ... on the Form 34Bs (irregularity that is contested. Maraga did not check the originals)
2. IEBC chairman announcing final results before he received all results (procedural illegality)
3. IEBC not opening the servers to Nasa's liking. (Not an irregularity and not an illegality)

Why GoK untill today doesn't give any explanation on who killed Msonde,
2)Why IEBC refused to obey court order to open servers for auditing
3) The fact that forms were not signed and announcement was done prematurely accompanied with allegation of pressure from state house is enough to suspect that all these irregularities and illegalities were for the benefitst of the winners

 

[joto la jiwe]

Shallow mind. I expected you'll give replies point by point but you've chosen to put words in my mouth.
Whether you believe me or not, I voted for Raila in 2013 and supported him in 2007 (I didn't vote).
I have employed several people in my business and never have I once considered tribe to be a hiring factor.

Nasa is entitled to their opinion and their actions, but when they choose to go outside the constitution, that's where they start stepping on my freedoms.
The Supreme Court is there for all of us. Jubilee did not agree with it last time, but followed its directive.
Raila is not god so he can set for himself election dates and appoint IEBC officials.
If the man who claims he wants to be president can never bring himself to follow the laws and constitution, then what should ordinary Kenyans do?

Which constitution are talking about?, a constitution which doesn't give answers to the people's problems, instead it only addresses politicians' Problems, Kenyans are suffering from tribalism which makes some tribes to be marginalised but your constitution behaves as if there is no problem of tribalism and it embraces the one man one vote system just because it is used in USA and other western countries, and because you Kenyans tend to copy and paste anything from west without considering your local factors, unfortunately even if things are not working still you can't rethink