Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

Nyani Ngabu said:
That's why evolution is not a testable hypothesis!

They are talking about billions of years! Are you kidding me!
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For some weird reasons, they don't see that. If you ask them who was the person observing those changes which took a "billion years or so", they will never answer you, in construct, they use blind faith in believing the "theory" evolution.
 
housegirl said:
so you dismiss science because of its approximations? mpaka ipatikane "the law of everything"?
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No no no. Unaona sasa...wewe tatizo lako sijui nini tu. Husomi vitu kwa ukamilifu wake. Kwa sababu kama umenisoma kikamilifu kwenye moja ya hizo replies zangu nimesema wazi kabisa kuwa sayansi naikubali sana lakini haina majibu ya kila kitu na mojawapo ya vitu ambavyo haina majibu ya kushawishi na kuridhisha ni kwenye hiyo nadharia ya evolution.

Sasa wewe kuniuliza mimi kama naipuuza sayansi kwa sababu ya makisio ni ama unasahau vitu upesi au usomi vitu kwa ukamilifu wake.
 
whizkid said:
Hii miaka kwa kweli ni incomprehensible, easily defeats a common-man's scale of thinking.
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Kumbeeee
To make it worse, if we put it in relative terms, jumping from one second to a billion years is totally incomprehensible. But is it really?
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I don't think so ....
We know how fast light travels and how distance is measured in astronomy. They often use light years, because kilometers sound absurd. For perspective, one light year is equal to 9.461 trillion kilometers. For astronomy to claim that the distance to the nearest star system from the Sun, Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light-years is equally incomprehensible to any mind as the claim of billions of years. When one says that the Big Bang happened over 13.7 billion years ago and the current radius of the universe is placed at 46.6 light years (over 441 trillion kilometers), those numbers do sound abso-freaking-lutely unbelievable! Why do they use such numbers?

Science needs measurements. Why do we believe and agree that there are over 7 billion people on Earth? Can you comprehend a mass of people that large? Say you have a billion dollars cash in denominations of one dollar notes, can you comprehend that amount of cash? Mathematics is a language that affords us the scales of numbers even when such numbers are incomprehensible. For example, using scientific measurements, it has been estimated that the age of our planet Earth is at around 4.54 billion years. Radiometric dating techniques are used to get those numbers to an agreeable degree of accuracy. It is the same such techniques used to estimate the age of fossils. Currently, it is the most accurate method available for such long periods of time. It allows us to put things in perspective.

So what is a billion years? I do agree that a billion years can not be observable, with the angle that our grasp of observable time is so small to put a billion years in perspective. However, as I said earlier, time can in fact be measured and therefore even if the numbers sound absurd, it is what gives us perspective of the vast amount of time that has passed since certain events occurred throughout our history. A billion years have 31,536,000,000,000,000 seconds! That's only 3.1536 x 10^16 seconds! In mathematical language, I can very much comprehend that.
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I rest my case ......!!
 
housegirl said:
NIMESEMA AN ORGANISM WILL CHANGE VILE ENVIRONMENT WILL MAKE IT CHANGE!! UNANIULIZA IS THAT A BELEIF? NO its not a beleif.
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Una ubongo wa ajabu sana

I didn't say it's a belief,i asked you kama una uhakika

Let me re-write my question;

Are you sure or you just believe?

Haya jibu sasa ....!!
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
No no no. Unaona sasa...wewe tatizo lako sijui nini tu. Husomi vitu kwa ukamilifu wake. Kwa sababu kama umenisoma kikamilifu kwenye moja ya hizo replies zangu nimesema wazi kabisa kuwa sayansi naikubali sana lakini haina majibu ya kila kitu na mojawapo ya vitu ambavyo haina majibu ya kushawishi na kuridhisha ni kwenye hiyo nadharia ya evolution.

Sasa wewe kuniuliza mimi kama naipuuza sayansi kwa sababu ya makisio ni ama unasahau vitu upesi au usomi vitu kwa ukamilifu wake.
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Kumbua unaye zungumza naye ni housegirl.
 
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Ishmael said:
For some weird reasons, they don't see that. If you ask them who was the person observing those changes which took a "billion years or so", they will never answer you, in construct, they use blind faith in believing the "theory" evolution.
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I still don't get this argument of "an observer of a billion years or so". For the sake of science, I suggest we all try and comprehend how these periods of times are being measured, and how the various findings are being placed on the timeline. Not that someone was there during those years, but rather someone can actually go back there in time through historical evidence and dating techniques.

These methods have been able to answer many questions, raise many new ones and while doing so, continued to support the theories of evolution in many ways. For example, human species dispersal across the continents today can be compared and contrasted with historical evidence gathered around the same areas and across all areas that were once connected land masses. One can trace back the origins of aborigines by studying their current whereabouts and looking at similarities to the genetic code (current and fossil records) of the closely related black-skinned Indians of southern states of India and comparing them to closely related black South Africans and the fossil records around the same regions.

In the ongoing evolution debates, early humans are believed to have started in Africa and spread around the World, evolving into the races we see today. In fact, a number of research has been done over the years to confirm this. One of them is about the aborigines I mentioned earlier. Read about it here: DNA confirms Aboriginal Australian origins - Cosmos Magazine
 
whizkid said:
I still don't get this argument of "an observer of a billion years or so". For the sake of science, I suggest we all try and comprehend how these periods of times are being measured, and how the various findings are being placed on the timeline. Not that someone was there during those years, but rather someone can actually go back there in time through historical evidence and dating techniques.

These methods have been able to answer many questions, raise many new ones and while doing so, continued to support the theories of evolution in many ways. For example, human species dispersal across the continents today can be compared and contrasted with historical evidence gathered around the same areas and across all areas that were once connected land masses. One can trace back the origins of aborigines by studying their current whereabouts and looking at similarities to the genetic code (current and fossil records) of the closely related black-skinned Indians of southern states of India and comparing them to closely related black South Africans and the fossil records around the same regions.

In the ongoing evolution debates, early humans are believed to have started in Africa and spread around the World, evolving into the races we see today. In fact, a number of research has been done over the years to confirm this. One of them is about the aborigines I mentioned earlier. Read about it here: DNA confirms Aboriginal Australian origins - Cosmos Magazine
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MILLIONS OF YEARS FOR ONE SPECIES
 
whizkid said:
I still don't get this argument of "an observer of a billion years or so". For the sake of science, I suggest we all try and comprehend how these periods of times are being measured, and how the various findings are being placed on the timeline. Not that someone was there during those years, but rather someone can actually go back there in time through historical evidence and dating techniques.

These methods have been able to answer many questions, raise many new ones and while doing so, continued to support the theories of evolution in many ways. For example, human species dispersal across the continents today can be compared and contrasted with historical evidence gathered around the same areas and across all areas that were once connected land masses. One can trace back the origins of aborigines by studying their current whereabouts and looking at similarities to the genetic code (current and fossil records) of the closely related black-skinned Indians of southern states of India and comparing them to closely related black South Africans and the fossil records around the same regions.

In the ongoing evolution debates, early humans are believed to have started in Africa and spread around the World, evolving into the races we see today. In fact, a number of research has been done over the years to confirm this. One of them is about the aborigines I mentioned earlier. Read about it here: DNA confirms Aboriginal Australian origins - Cosmos Magazine
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I don't know how you people see this as a fact .....

Ay way, we have different type of thinking ...!!
 
Eiyer said:
Kumbeeee

I don't think so ....


I rest my case ......!!
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And your case being a billion years not being observable? I hope you read the whole paragraph and therefore you know what a single billion years constitutes.

Do you know how difficult it is to observe accurately a "single" second? Just one second? Just as much as seconds can amount to trillions and be difficult to observe, they can also be divided to trillionth and trillionth of parts and still be measurable! For instance, just one nanosecond is to one second as one second is to 31.710 years! Still difficult to "observe" against the standard unit of time, but quite possible for Physics and mathematics to measure!
 
Eiyer said:
I don't know how you people see this as a fact .....

Ay way, we have different type of thinking ...!!
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Is it a fact that the Earth revolves around the sun? If so, why is it a fact (or not)?
 
whizkid said:
And your case being a billion years not being observable? I hope you read the whole paragraph and therefore you know what a single billion years constitutes.

Do you know how difficult it is to observe accurately a "single" second? Just one second? Just as much as seconds can amount to trillions and be difficult to observe, they can also be divided to trillionth and trillionth of parts and still be measurable! For instance, just one nanosecond is to one second as one second is to 31.710 years! Still difficult to "observe" against the standard unit of time, but quite possible for Physics and mathematics to measure!
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Let me tell you this

Unaongea kama vile mwaka na saa ni kitu halisi ambacho kinaweza kuonekana na kushikika

Unapozungumzia haya mambo unatakiwa ujue tu kuwa haya yote sio mambo "halisi' kama unavyotaka kuyaongelea hapa ni imagination tu

Huna uwezoi wa kuthibitisha mwezi achilia mbali mwaka na ukawepo kama vile nyie wanasayansi mnavyowaambia wale ambao wanabudu Mungu wafanye

Mnataka Mungu aonekane na apimike kwenye maabara huku mkiwa na imani zenu ambazo nazo sio real kama mnavyodai

Inaonekana binadamu hawezi na hatoweza kuishi bila imani ....!!
 
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