Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

[Kiranga]

Are you volunteering, finally?


Running with style, lol 🙂

Wewe ambaye hujajibu swali ndiye unayekimbia.

 

[Eiyer]

Do you know the meaning of the observable evidence? Am I talking to a kid? Tell me, who was observing those changes for a Billion years per your link?

Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa ........!!

 

[whizkid]

Do you know the meaning of the observable evidence? Am I talking to a kid? Tell me, who was observing those changes for a Billion years per your link?

I thought you're smarter than that. I pointed you to a website of a museum of natural history. I assume you know what a museum is.

Thanks to many great palaeontologists, we are able to observe a timeline of species evolving age after age.

 

[whizkid]

"If" supports notions, diabolical fallacies and darwinic assumptions. We need empirical, testable, airtight, impeccable and verifiable facts.

Science is all about testing and verifying the "if". I am not even talking about the obvious programming concepts, I AM talking about science here in general.

When we say today that Malaria is spread by female Anopheles mosquitos, someone had to find out for sure and before that became a fact a really good set of "ifs", how and why questions had to be answered.

Similarly, as an example, if the hypothesis is that all chordates must have evolved from a common ancestor then one goes on to prove it by studying the similarity of their embryos then whatever comes later on to prove or disprove that resemblance must have another set of fact-based explanations. Science for this matter affords us the luxury of studying historical evidence if available, because ancestry obviously lies in the past.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Do you know the meaning of the observable evidence? Am I talking to a kid? Tell me, who was observing those changes for a Billion years per your link?

That's why evolution is not a testable hypothesis!

They are talking about billions of years! Are you kidding me!

 

[Logikos]

Which one is True, Atheism or Christianity?

Christianity is the truth in the eyes of the Christians
Hindus, Islams Buddhist e.t.c each to its own...
Atheists they don't believe in any of the above just like Christians don't believe in those others...

Remember both Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism e.t.c they are all faith oriented.., each believe in what they believe and proof is not necessarily needed for them to believe each having their books (or maandiko) to prove what they are saying is the true word...

In such sense for you to try to convince people of difference faith to engage in debate is rather time wasting in your part as well as trying to waste other peoples time.., it would have made sense if you are a Christian to engage your fellow Christians and debate about the word and the proof being the bible (in doing so.., you might end up reaching an agreement)

 

[introvert]

I have seen a lot of debates undercover here and I want face off debate with Any bold Atheist.

I am good to go. But before anything else, what are we debating about. Atheism is broad, so is Christianity. Be specific.

I believe atheism is not only stupid but also dangerous.

You can believe in anything, if you know what that means.

I believe atheism/Evolution have no evidence and can be refuted in 5 minutes.

Atheism is a lack of belief in a deity/disbelief in the existence of a deity, simply put.

It is wrong to write "atheism/evolution" because the two aren't one.

I can debate any amount of atheists from one to gazillion only few criteria;

Don't let your ego blind your reason.

1. They should have brain and know what they talk about

It is a debate, one should stand to be corrected all the time, even if there have no idea what they are talking about. They should be accept corrections. This will lead into a progressive debate and an informative one.

2. They should be honest and stay on topic

It is a tendency, most Christians and believers move goal posts every now and then. They also have a tendency of dodging questions. Now that you've said we should be honest, kindly observe this.

3. All the income (if any) generated by the debate should go 100% to orphans

Why not pray to God you believe in to help these orphans that you want us to donate the money to?

A university hall or something like that is ideal. I suggest topic of Christianity or Atheism -- whats the Truth? but pretty any topic dealing with atheism falls in right mark.

Be specific, what is the debate really? Truth itself is an endless debate.

Here goes the challenge, the ball is in your court!

Remind me, what's the debate again?

 

[Eiyer]

Christianity is the truth in the eyes of the Christians
Hindus, Islams Buddhist e.t.c each to its own...
Atheists they don't believe in any of the above just like Christians don't believe in those others...

Remember both Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism e.t.c they are all faith oriented.., each believe in what they believe and proof is not necessarily needed for them to believe each having their books (or maandiko) to prove what they are saying is the true word...

In such sense for you to try to convince people of difference faith to engage in debate is rather time wasting in your part as well as trying to waste other peoples time.., it would have made sense if you are a Christian to engage your fellow Christians and debate about the word and the proof being the bible (in doing so.., you might end up reaching an agreement)

Hivi umeelewa swali uliloulizwa?

 

[whizkid]

Am out, my brain has better things to do.

 

[Logikos]

Hivi umeelewa swali uliloulizwa?

Kama muulizaje anauliza maswali yasiyoeleweka basi hiyo ni shida ya muulizaji sio mimi ? au kama mnazungumza kwa code ambazo wengine hatuzielewi that is another case..

The question being what is the truth Christianity or Atheism..., and the answer without elaborations was... depends whom you are asking ukimuuliza Hindu atakwambia yote ni uongo na akija Mormon atakuja na jibu lake..., unless otherwise huu uzi ni wa ku-preach na sio vinginevyo mimi siwezi kushiriki kwenye kupoteza muda wa kubishana Imani gani ni ya kweli wakati zote ni Imani au lack of the same... Huwezi ukambishia Hindu au Buddha kwamba anachosema ni uongo wakati wewe unachokiamini kipo based on the book into which to him/her its nothing more than a best selling novel...

 

[Eiyer]

Kama muulizaje anauliza maswali yasiyoeleweka basi hiyo ni shida ya muulizaji sio mimi ? au kama mnazungumza kwa code ambazo wengine hatuzielewi that is another case..

The question being what is the truth Christianity or Atheism..., and the answer without elaborations was... depends whom you are asking ukimuuliza Hindu atakwambia yote ni uongo na akija Mormon atakuja na jibu lake..., unless otherwise huu uzi ni wa ku-preach na sio vinginevyo mimi siwezi kushiriki kwenye kupoteza muda wa kubishana Imani gani ni ya kweli wakati zote ni Imani au lack of the same... Huwezi ukambishia Hindu au Buddha kwamba anachosema ni uongo wakati wewe unachokiamini kipo based on the book into which to him/her its nothing more than a best selling novel...

Hapana ....

Swali lilikuwa na lipo wazi kabisa

Nadhani unajua maana ya "kweli"

Sasa kama unajua basi utakuwa una jibu la swali uliloulizwa na kweli "haitegemei" mtu yoyote bali inategemea "kweli" tu

Masuala ya Hinduism yanakujaje kwenye swali?

Ukiulizwa kati ya wanaosema dunia ni flat na wanaosema dunia ni duara ni nani mkweli utasema inategemea na unaemuuliza?

Hebu acha masikhara kwenye mambo ya msingi

Kama una jibu weka mezani na ushahidi

Kama huna jibu sema tu na yatakwisha ....

Hebu jibu sasa!!

 

[Tiger]

Endelea kupokea pole

Who founded Atheism?

Unaonesha jinsi gani hufahami unachodhani unakifahamu.

 

[housegirl]

That's why evolution is not a testable hypothesis!

They are talking about billions of years! Are you kidding me!

The thing is people think Darwin aliamka siku moja na kusema "EVOLUTION", kisha akaandika volumes of bullshit kuthibitisha, kisha wanasayansi wooote wanaokubali evolution ni wapumbavu na wana mpango wa kuanzisha dini ili wapate hela.

Idea ya evolution has always been there. Toka kwa philosopher Anaximander wa 520BC. Akaja mwana-fossils (paleontologist) Xenophanes. Akaja Aristotle wa 350BC...wameenda throught history, from Botanist wetu, John Ray. To a God Beleiver Biologist Carolus Linnaeus. To Pierre-Louis Moreau de
Maupertuis. To Erasmus Darwin wa 1794, ambaye alikuwa daktari na babu yake Darwin. To Jean-Baptiste Lamarck wa 1809, founder wa jina "Biology".

wengine in Between

Darwin ndo akazaliwa 1809.

wengine wa kwenye the Dark Ages sijawataja.

Wote waliona evolution. Ingawa wengine hawakuweza kuelezea natural selection. Wengine walioweza (wengi) wakaona kuwa evolution ni "ngazi", leading to "better life" or "perfection". wengine wakaona a human was the ultimate goal.

our knowledge of evolution has grown!! jinsi technology imekua na watu wenye interest na science wameongezeka, tumejua mengi.

we dont see evolution kama "ngazi" inayoenda juu to "perfection". Ni "mti wenye matawi", very diverse. viumbe wamekua in ways you cant say "this is more perfect than this". infact, "kuwa bora" is subjective. Mmea unaweza kujiona bora kwakuwa unajitengenezea chakula. Spider atajiona bora kwakuwa ana sumu. Binadamu atajiona bora kwakuwa ana "akili".

and sometimes evolution works fori the worst, through labda mutation au genetic drift

TUKUMBUKE, evolution is down to genetics. EVOLYTION IS THE CHANGE IN THE.FREQUENCY OF ALLELES IN A POPULATION. kwahiyo ukiwa na argument kumbuka hilo. Hutosema kama Nyani Ngabu "bacteria resistence ni kama mimi kupata misuli!" . Ndio huwa kuna changes hutokea throught an organism's life ambazo haziaffect genes na uzao wako, so sio evolution.

TUKUMBUKE, kwa wanaosema evolution is false b'se its not observable or testable, NOT ALL science depends on controlled laboratory experiments (mfano astrophysics. kwani huwa wanajuaje kwamba kwenye ile sayari millions of light years away kuna gases fulani? how do geologists know what happened zamani?)
Pia unataka tutest vipi kwa njia moja kwamba "a whale descended from a mammalian ancestor?"

IT HAS BEEN SAID sooo many times, EVOLUTION IS A CONCLUSION FROM MANY UNRELATED FACULTIES.

Geology, Peleontology, Molecular biology, Comperative Anatomy, Genetics, Biochemistry, Vestigiology, Embryology, Morphology, Geochemistry, paleobiogeography sijui nini

wooote wakonclude kitu kioja, COMMON ANCESTRY. Kisha mtu aje kubisha "Hamna missing link ya binadamu njoo. evolution is a hoax. tufanye public debate". khaaa! hata aibu!!!! kwanza missing link ndo nini!!!

another way to know evolution is to observe. there are clearly explained changes in the cells and genes of resistant bacteria and the resistant Atlantic tomcod. kama sio evolution ni nini?

Tafadhali tuangalie evolution ya kiumbe kimoja, A whale, kwa kuangalia baadhi ya hizo faculties kisha kila mtu afanye conclusion. can i post my "copy+edit+paste" essay?

 

[housegirl]

This thread ain't QnA thread. If you volunteer to debate me then come out else I have nothing to discuss here.
You may well increase your speed 🙂

Running with style

Eiyer

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

The thing is people think Darwin aliamka siku moja na kusema "EVOLUTION", kisha akaandika volumes of bullshit kuthibitisha, kisha wanasayansi wooote wanaokubali evolution ni wapumbavu na wana mpango wa kuanzisha dini ili wapate hela.

Idea ya evolution has always been there. Toka kwa philosopher Anaximander wa 520BC. Akaja mwana-fossils (paleontologist) Xenophanes. Akaja Aristotle wa 350BC...wameenda throught history, from Botanist wetu, John Ray. To a God Beleiver Biologist Carolus Linnaeus. To Pierre-Louis Moreau de
Maupertuis. To Erasmus Darwin wa 1794, ambaye alikuwa daktari na babu yake Darwin. To Jean-Baptiste Lamarck wa 1809, founder wa jina "Biology".

wengine in Between

Darwin ndo akazaliwa 1809.

wengine wa kwenye the Dark Ages sijawataja.

Wote waliona evolution. Ingawa wengine hawakuweza kuelezea natural selection. Wengine walioweza (wengi) wakaona kuwa evolution ni "ngazi", leading to "better life" or "perfection". wengine wakaona a human was the ultimate goal.

our knowledge of evolution has grown!! jinsi technology imekua na watu wenye interest na science wameongezeka, tumejua mengi.

we dont see evolution kama "ngazi" inayoenda juu to "perfection". Ni "mti wenye matawi", very diverse. viumbe wamekua in ways you cant say "this is more perfect than this". infact, "kuwa bora" is subjective. Mmea unaweza kujiona bora kwakuwa unajitengenezea chakula. Spider atajiona bora kwakuwa ana sumu. Binadamu atajiona bora kwakuwa ana "akili".

and sometimes evolution works fori the worst, through labda mutation au genetic drift

TUKUMBUKE, evolution is down to genetics. EVOLYTION IS THE CHANGE IN THE.FREQUENCY OF ALLELES IN A POPULATION. kwahiyo ukiwa na argument kumbuka hilo. Hutosema kama Nyani Ngabu "bacteria resistence ni kama mimi kupata misuli!" . Ndio huwa kuna changes hutokea throught an organism's life ambazo haziaffect genes na uzao wako, so sio evolution.

TUKUMBUKE, kwa wanaosema evolution is false b'se its not observable or testable, NOT ALL science depends on controlled laboratory experiments (mfano astrophysics. kwani huwa wanajuaje kwamba kwenye ile sayari millions of light years away kuna gases fulani? how do geologists know what happened zamani?)
Pia unataka tutest vipi kwa njia moja kwamba "a whale descended from a mammalian ancestor?"

IT HAS BEEN SAID sooo many times, EVOLUTION IS A CONCLUSION FROM MANY UNRELATED FACULTIES.

Geology, Peleontology, Molecular biology, Comperative Anatomy, Genetics, Biochemistry, Vestigiology, Embryology, Morphology, Geochemistry, paleobiogeography sijui nini

wooote wakonclude kitu kioja, COMMON ANCESTRY. Kisha mtu aje kubisha "Hamna missing link ya binadamu njoo. evolution is a hoax. tufanye public debate". khaaa! hata aibu!!!! kwanza missing link ndo nini!!!

another way to know evolution is to observe. there are clearly explained changes in the cells and genes of resistant bacteria and the resistant Atlantic tomcod. kama sio evolution ni nini?

Tafadhali tuangalie evolution ya kiumbe kimoja, A whale, kwa kuangalia baadhi ya hizo faculties kisha kila mtu afanye conclusion. can i post my "copy+edit+paste" essay?

Siyo wanasayansi wote wanaikubali hiyo nadharia kwa asilimia 100.

But evolution takes a bilion years? Really?

How do you test that? Pray tell....

 

[housegirl]

Siyo wanasayansi wote wanaikubali hiyo nadharia kwa asilimia 100.

But evolution takes a bilion years? Really?

How do you test that? Pray tell....

again, evolution is a conclusion from the convergence of information from different unrelated faculties.

is millions of years difficult for you to grasp? yet you can grasp a "timeless" entity. i know millions of years is waay beyond what we can even think of living to see. but does it make it false? unless you are doubting the counting methods? and for what reason? you have 3billion bases of DNA in your body. how did we count that?

ok simple question, what do you say of the fossil record? different organisms appearing over periods of time (millions of years), which are not that different from eachother (morphologically)?

 

[housegirl]

Humans and apes are same species?! housegirl do you see that.

Let me watch the show!

i pointed that out before you......alibadilisha....

 

[housegirl]

Five Proofs of Evolution

1. The universal genetic code.- All cells on Earth, from our white blood cells, to simple bacteria, to cells in the leaves of trees, are capable of reading any piece of DNA from any life form on Earth.- This is very strong evidence for a common ancestor from which all life descended.

2. The fossil record.- The fossil record shows that the simplest fossils will be found in the oldest rocks, and it can also show a smooth and gradual transition from one form of life to another.

3. Genetic commonalities.- Human beings have approximately 96% of genes in common with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in common with cats, 80% with cows, 75% with mice, and so on.- This does not prove that we evolved from chimpanzees or cats, though, only that we shared a common ancestor in the past.- And the amount of difference between our genomes corresponds to how long ago our genetic lines diverged.

4. Common traits in embryos.- Humans, dogs, snakes, fish, monkeys, eels (and many more life forms) are all considered "chordates" because we belong to the phylum-Chordata.- One of the features of this phylum is that, as embryos, all these life forms have gill slits, tails, and specific anatomical structures involving the spine.- For humans (and other non-fish) the gill slits reform into the bones of the ear and jaw at a later stage in development.- But, initially, all chordate embryos strongly resemble each other.-

In fact, pig embryos are often dissected in biology classes because of how similar they look to human embryos.- These common characteristics could only be possible if all members of the phylum-Chordata-descended from a common ancestor.

5. Bacterial resistance to antibiotics.- Bacteria colonies can only build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution.- It is important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics.- This is because of the random nature of mutations.

When an antibiotic is applied, the initial innoculation will kill most bacteria, leaving behind only those few cells which happen to have the mutations necessary to resist the antibiotics.- In subsequent generations, the resistant bacteria reproduce, forming a new colony where every member is resistant to the antibiotic.- This is natural selection in action.- The antibiotic is "selecting" for organisms which are resistant, and killing any that are not.

mtu akiangalia the fossil records na genetics, anaweza kusema kuna entity/nguvu ilikuwa inajaribisha uwezo/intelligence yake over time. Is that the way they want to explain it? Fine. Hata mutations zinazotokea on every generation (hata ya binadamu) na new DNA formations ni kazi yake, anacontrol. maybe it/he got some new creatures in mind.

atavism. vestigial structures. genetic commonality. how does one explain these?

evolution by no means discards a creator. but intelligent design?

 

[housegirl]

Sijaelewa unataka tudebate nini ?

Je tuna-debate Imani ?, Jambo nililosema mwanzo kwamba ni kupotezeana muda unless wote tuna Imani moja... wewe Christian hauwezi kubishana na Budha, au Hindu au mtu anayeamini kwenye reincarnation kwa kutumia evidence ya Bible wakati hao wote hawaamini hio Bible (kwao ni kama Novel tu...) Ndio Maana nikasema kama hio ndio issue am out sababu imani ya mtu ni imani ya mtu na anachokiamini ndivyo kilivyo hata kama kwako hakina ukweli wowote..

Au tuna-debate uwepo wa Evolution ?

Na kama ndivyo je Evolution unayosema wewe ndio hii.. a change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations...?

Na Swali linakuja hizo inherited characteristics kwanini zipo hivyo sasa na ni nini kinafanya ziwe hivyo ? na ukigundua kwamba ni formula ambazo zipo kwenye nucleus ya cells inayoiambia cell ifanye nini na wapi.., na ukigundua kwamba hio formula inaweza ikabadilika na ikishabadilika sababu kinachotokea katika replication ni kutoa copy ya hio formula utagundua kwamba characteristic iliyopo sasa huenda isiwepo after generations

jamaa hata aambiwe vipi, he has burried his head inthe sand na kung'ang'ania evolution ni atheism.

anatumia ticket ya kwamba hii thread sio ya kudebate bali kuInvite a debate ili asiongee. clever much...na sisi.tukisema haQualify debate anasema "running style".

watu bwana!!!

 

[Mtangoo]

So... a lot of talks but none volunteers to debate me? Strange!
Anyway, am still waiting for an atheist/evolutionist to debate me on public.