Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

[thisdayes]

Wewe acha uzembeee hebu nionyeshe reli za mjerumani Kama zina kuta pembeni na je ulishasikia risk? Za kijingajinga, na je Unataka kuniambia reli zote za hata USA zimejengewa vicement ndio imara? Hapo Mzee mmepigwa halafu bado 1bn USD ya kuelectrify ndio muone Kama mko chaka

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Wamepigwa vibaya sana.. mchina kawazuga ili awapige vizuri kuna baadhi ya maeneo ajaweka visimenti kwa kua anajua visimenti ni mbwembwe za kupiga tu. Ila Kenya udongo wao ni mbaya majani hayaoti instead zina ota mbigiri [emoji1]

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[Stano]

I know I am late for the party but can someone explain to me how Tanzania intend to repay stanbic 1.5B dollars commercial loan and when if ever this rail will turn profitable. Unlike kenya that has Nairobi (most of cargo from Mombasa ends in Nairobi - possibly more than 50%) and UG/RW/SS (25%) how does Tanzania cargo looks like. I imagine most of the cargo end right there in Dar City and whatever remain is probably transit cargo to Rwanda & Burundi - maybe 2.5M tonnes - with Tazara handling the other 2.5M to Zambia & southern countries?

Dar port is probably handling 15M or less tonnes...twice less than Mombasa's 32 or about million tonnes.

Tanzanian SGR will be one big white elephant - and will really struggle to get cargo. Stanchart unlike EximBank of China will not be lenient. Ethiopia SGR has struggled and EximBank has been very generous - extending repayment period from 10yrs to 30yrs.

This project is nothing more than Magufuli/Tazania ego fight with Kenya. You have SGR - we will also build one. Kenya SGR is viable because of Nairobi.Beyond Nairobi it start having doubtful viability and Chinese are perfectly in order to be a little reticent in funding Phase 2B & C - Naivasha to Kisumu & Malaba - without a firm commitment of Uganda (possibly including bonding Uganda to always reserve 40% of cargo for SGR like KPA did).

Running a railway is not cheap. Building the railway is probably cheaper than cost of running it - you may spend 3M dollar a mile to build it - but you'll probably need more than 200K usd per mile every year to maintain it - and don't even talk about the cost of running the trains themselves.

 

[diamond d]

Sie tunauza Madini tu tunalipa hako ka 1b $ nako katusumbue, ngoma nyie hapo mchina hacheki dadeki, shida yenu ku rush

I know I am late for the party but can someone explain to me how Tanzania intend to repay stanbic 1.5B dollars commercial loan and when if ever this rail will turn profitable. Unlike kenya that has Nairobi (most of cargo from Mombasa ends in Nairobi - possibly more than 50%) and UG/RW/SS (25%) how does Tanzania cargo looks like. I imagine most of the cargo end right there in Dar City and whatever remain is probably transit cargo to Rwanda & Burundi - maybe 2.5M tonnes - with Tazara handling the other 2.5M to Zambia & southern countries?

Dar port is probably handling 15M or less tonnes...twice less than Mombasa's 32 or about million tonnes.

Tanzanian SGR will be one big white elephant - and will really struggle to get cargo. Stanchart unlike EximBank of China will not be lenient. Ethiopia SGR has struggled and EximBank has been very generous - extending repayment period from 10yrs to 30yrs.

This project is nothing more than Magufuli/Tazania ego fight with Kenya. You have SGR - we will also build one. Kenya SGR is viable because of Nairobi.Beyond Nairobi it start having doubtful viability and Chinese are perfectly in order to be a little reticent in funding Phase 2B & C - Naivasha to Kisumu & Malaba - without a firm commitment of Uganda (possibly including bonding Uganda to always reserve 40% of cargo for SGR like KPA did).

Running a railway is not cheap. Building the railway is probably cheaper than cost of running it - you may spend 3M dollar a mile to build it - but you'll probably need more than 200K usd per mile every year to maintain it - and don't even talk about the cost of running the trains themselves.

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[diamond d]

Wewee hako ka cement kasikufanye uone hamtakuwa na maintenance sahahu hilo, kwa hivyo vi cement unataka kusema nyie ni high quality kuliko Turkey, Usa, London eeee , Choo cha stendi mmeingia

I know I am late for the party but can someone explain to me how Tanzania intend to repay stanbic 1.5B dollars commercial loan and when if ever this rail will turn profitable. Unlike kenya that has Nairobi (most of cargo from Mombasa ends in Nairobi - possibly more than 50%) and UG/RW/SS (25%) how does Tanzania cargo looks like. I imagine most of the cargo end right there in Dar City and whatever remain is probably transit cargo to Rwanda & Burundi - maybe 2.5M tonnes - with Tazara handling the other 2.5M to Zambia & southern countries?

Dar port is probably handling 15M or less tonnes...twice less than Mombasa's 32 or about million tonnes.

Tanzanian SGR will be one big white elephant - and will really struggle to get cargo. Stanchart unlike EximBank of China will not be lenient. Ethiopia SGR has struggled and EximBank has been very generous - extending repayment period from 10yrs to 30yrs.

This project is nothing more than Magufuli/Tazania ego fight with Kenya. You have SGR - we will also build one. Kenya SGR is viable because of Nairobi.Beyond Nairobi it start having doubtful viability and Chinese are perfectly in order to be a little reticent in funding Phase 2B & C - Naivasha to Kisumu & Malaba - without a firm commitment of Uganda (possibly including bonding Uganda to always reserve 40% of cargo for SGR like KPA did).

Running a railway is not cheap. Building the railway is probably cheaper than cost of running it - you may spend 3M dollar a mile to build it - but you'll probably need more than 200K usd per mile every year to maintain it - and don't even talk about the cost of running the trains themselves.

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[thisdayes]

I know I am late for the party but can someone explain to me how Tanzania intend to repay stanbic 1.5B dollars commercial loan and when if ever this rail will turn profitable. Unlike kenya that has Nairobi (most of cargo from Mombasa ends in Nairobi - possibly more than 50%) and UG/RW/SS (25%) how does Tanzania cargo looks like. I imagine most of the cargo end right there in Dar City and whatever remain is probably transit cargo to Rwanda & Burundi - maybe 2.5M tonnes - with Tazara handling the other 2.5M to Zambia & southern countries?

Dar port is probably handling 15M or less tonnes...twice less than Mombasa's 32 or about million tonnes.

Tanzanian SGR will be one big white elephant - and will really struggle to get cargo. Stanchart unlike EximBank of China will not be lenient. Ethiopia SGR has struggled and EximBank has been very generous - extending repayment period from 10yrs to 30yrs.

This project is nothing more than Magufuli/Tazania ego fight with Kenya. You have SGR - we will also build one. Kenya SGR is viable because of Nairobi.Beyond Nairobi it start having doubtful viability and Chinese are perfectly in order to be a little reticent in funding Phase 2B & C - Naivasha to Kisumu & Malaba - without a firm commitment of Uganda (possibly including bonding Uganda to always reserve 40% of cargo for SGR like KPA did).

Running a railway is not cheap. Building the railway is probably cheaper than cost of running it - you may spend 3M dollar a mile to build it - but you'll probably need more than 200K usd per mile every year to maintain it - and don't even talk about the cost of running the trains themselves.

As u you said you are late to join the party! Go do a little research about Tz SGR, The loan you are getting from China we turned it down. Kuna vitu vingi inabidi ukajifunze then uje tena.

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[KENPAULITE]

I know I am late for the party but can someone explain to me how Tanzania intend to repay stanbic 1.5B dollars commercial loan and when if ever this rail will turn profitable. Unlike kenya that has Nairobi (most of cargo from Mombasa ends in Nairobi - possibly more than 50%) and UG/RW/SS (25%) how does Tanzania cargo looks like. I imagine most of the cargo end right there in Dar City and whatever remain is probably transit cargo to Rwanda & Burundi - maybe 2.5M tonnes - with Tazara handling the other 2.5M to Zambia & southern countries?

Dar port is probably handling 15M or less tonnes...twice less than Mombasa's 32 or about million tonnes.

Tanzanian SGR will be one big white elephant - and will really struggle to get cargo. Stanchart unlike EximBank of China will not be lenient. Ethiopia SGR has struggled and EximBank has been very generous - extending repayment period from 10yrs to 30yrs.

This project is nothing more than Magufuli/Tazania ego fight with Kenya. You have SGR - we will also build one. Kenya SGR is viable because of Nairobi.Beyond Nairobi it start having doubtful viability and Chinese are perfectly in order to be a little reticent in funding Phase 2B & C - Naivasha to Kisumu & Malaba - without a firm commitment of Uganda (possibly including bonding Uganda to always reserve 40% of cargo for SGR like KPA did).

Running a railway is not cheap. Building the railway is probably cheaper than cost of running it - you may spend 3M dollar a mile to build it - but you'll probably need more than 200K usd per mile every year to maintain it - and don't even talk about the cost of running the trains themselves.

Very valid comments for them its a case of monkey see monkey do,tutaipiku kenya, wataisoma namba centuries later,ngoja tuwape macho , their is a fine line between fantasy and realism

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[Teargass]

Sie tunauza Madini tu tunalipa hako ka 1b $ nako katusumbue, ngoma nyie hapo mchina hacheki dadeki, shida yenu ku rush

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Si mngeuzwa madini kitambo mlipe nazo those debts that you vwere forgiven.

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[Teargass]

Wewe acha uzembeee hebu nionyeshe reli za mjerumani Kama zina kuta pembeni na je ulishasikia risk? Za kijingajinga, na je Unataka kuniambia reli zote za hata USA zimejengewa vicement ndio imara? Hapo Mzee mmepigwa halafu bado 1bn USD ya kuelectrify ndio muone Kama mko chaka

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Kubali tu that you have low quality railway line, hakuna mwenye atakuchapa.

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[Undercover_Bot]

Show me drainage system like that in whole of ur SGR!

wazani watakuonesha nini zaidi ya zile zilizobomoko na kufanyiwa repair kila siku mkuu

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[nyangau mkenya]

Mai Mahiu Station

 

[Stano]

Only a fool would turn down Chinese loan. Most of Chinese loans are competitive with World Bank/IMF/AFDB loans - low or zero interest and really long maturity. Kenya SGR loan is good deal - half the loan is concessionary. The other half is commercial and if there is any distress - Chinese can always extend repayment period. Commercial banks don't joke. Their interest is something else.

You were already heavily indebted nations - and had lots of loan forgiven - I see Tanzania going bank to plead you can't pay - but StanChart are not in business of forgiving loans.

As u you said you are late to join the party! Go do a little research about Tz SGR, The loan you are getting from China we turned it down. Kuna vitu vingi inabidi ukajifunze then uje tena.

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[Kafrican]

Wewe acha uzembeee hebu nionyeshe reli za mjerumani Kama zina kuta pembeni na je ulishasikia risk? Za kijingajinga, na je Unataka kuniambia reli zote za hata USA zimejengewa vicement ndio imara? Hapo Mzee mmepigwa halafu bado 1bn USD ya kuelectrify ndio muone Kama mko chaka

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Mjerumani hajajenga reli tangu tuingie Karne hii,
USA hajajenga reli tangu miaka ya 60's ingawaje wwanaongoza dunia kwa kua na largest railway network reli zote za kubeba mizigo huko USA ni diesel... Kwahivyo hizo nchi mbili si mifano ya kutumia..
Labda utumie mfano wa Turkey

 

[Kafrican]

Hilo gar moshi lenu ndo lakusifia nn sasa?[emoji23][emoji23]from latest 1900's,,,,! But anway kila mtu lazm asifie cha kwake

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Treni ya kubeba mizigo ni model ya 1997 inayojuliksna kama DF8B

DF8B
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Treni ya kubeba abiria ni model DF11G
Ilipanda production 2004...




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[Geza Ulole]

Mjerumani hajajenga reli tangu tuingie Karne hii,
USA hajajenga reli tangu miaka ya 60's ingawaje wwanaongoza dunia kwa kua na largest railway network reli zote za kubeba mizigo huko USA ni diesel... Kwahivyo hizo nchi mbili si mifano ya kutumia..
Labda utumie mfano wa Turkey

Mjerumani kila siku anajenga reli kwake!

 

[Geza Ulole]

Only a fool would turn down Chinese loan. Most of Chinese loans are competitive with World Bank/IMF/AFDB loans - low or zero interest and really long maturity. Kenya SGR loan is good deal - half the loan is concessionary. The other half is commercial and if there is any distress - Chinese can always extend repayment period. Commercial banks don't joke. Their interest is something else.

You were already heavily indebted nations - and had lots of loan forgiven - I see Tanzania going bank to plead you can't pay - but StanChart are not in business of forgiving loans.

Then why are all economists complaining about the loan u took?

 

[diamond d]

Ndio msilalamike sasa mbona mnalialia sasa kuhusu Mombasa port?

Only a fool would turn down Chinese loan. Most of Chinese loans are competitive with World Bank/IMF/AFDB loans - low or zero interest and really long maturity. Kenya SGR loan is good deal - half the loan is concessionary. The other half is commercial and if there is any distress - Chinese can always extend repayment period. Commercial banks don't joke. Their interest is something else.

You were already heavily indebted nations - and had lots of loan forgiven - I see Tanzania going bank to plead you can't pay - but StanChart are not in business of forgiving loans.

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[Kifaru_07]

Ata mimi nashangaa na hii SGR ya TZ.
Inajengwa na loan ya benki, the worst types, na watanzania wamedanganywa eti ni pesa za ndani.
Does this $1.5b loan include;
-rolling stock and electric trains?
-port facilities for shuffling and loading of trains cranes kwa vile I have not seen them being built.
-How many passing stations and main stations?
-$1.5b no big bridges or viaducts?

Seems Kenya's deal was more transparent and we knew the bill of quantities. Unless a Tanzania can bring the details here and breakdown what they are actually getting and their costs in this project.

And passengers hawalipi pesa mingi kama freight. You cant overcharge the poor citizens. Most freight will stay in Dar. Kwahivyo kama madini from elsewhere will pay, the Tz SGR will forever be running at a loss and be subsidised?

 

[diamond d]

Unaota

Ata mimi nashangaa na hii SGR ya TZ.
Inajengwa na loan ya benki, the worst types, na watanzania wamedanganywa eti ni pesa za ndani.
Does this $1.5b loan include;
-rolling stock and electric trains?
-port facilities for shuffling and loading of trains cranes kwa vile I have not seen them being built.
-How many passing stations and main stations?
-$1.5b no big bridges or viaducts?

Seems Kenya's deal was more transparent and we knew the bill of quantities. Unless a Tanzania can bring the details gere and breakdown what they are actually getting and their costs in this project.

And passengers hawalipi pesa mingi kama freight. You cant overcharge the poor citizens. Most freight will stay in Dar. Kwahivyo kama madini from elsewhere will pay, the Tz SGR will forever be runiing at a liss and be subsidised?

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[BlietzKrieg]

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Low quality indeed.
Ata kazi ya Yap merkezi ya Ethiopia naaona ni afadhali.

 

[Teargass]

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This is not fair from the Markezi, this this is of low quality kabisa.

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