Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

[Kevin85ify]

If so, Then people would not be dying of hunger up North!

That is irrelevant to the current disscussion, i thought you understood the laws of logic.

 

[Kevin85ify]

Kenya's SGR to become most expensive such project in the world

Author: Muyela Roberto
UPDATED: A DAY AGO

- The government spends on average KSh 800 million for every kilometer of SGR

- The cost is said to be two times more compared the international average

- Kenya is expected to borrow about KSh 845 billion from China for completion of the SGR

- Kenyans would pay close to KSh 1 trillion after the SGR loans clock maturity

- With public debt almost crossing KSh 5.4 trillion, there are concerns Kenya may not be able to settle the SGR loans

It has emerged Kenya's Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) has now been entered into the books of records as the most expensive such project in the world.

This comes after President Uhuru Kenyatta and Opposition chief Raila Odinga flew to China to secure KSh 368 billion loan to fund the ongoing construction of the SGR.

The new loan is expected to be injected in construction of the Naivasha-Kisumu SGR line and this would inflate the gross amount of loans Nairobi has borrowed from Beijing to about KSh 845 billion.

According to a report by Daily Nation on Wednesday, April 24, it costs the government KSh 800 million to construct each kilometer of the rail, and this makes the project the most expensive in the world.

Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/303943-kenyas-sgr-project-expensive-project-world.html#303943

Yes because our railway line can easily be compared with the best in the world. It is class on chinese standard which means it is superior compared to ethipioa which is class two, and to morrocco which is arema standard but for passengers and can not handle alot of cargo, Tanzania line which can not handle alot of cargo(maximum of 17 million tonnes ). Just for your information China is currently the world leader in Railway technology.Also unlike most of our detractors we are a democracy, that means we are obliged by law to listen to all voices. Kenya has to build super bridges inside all parks(under direction of the court), some stretching as long as 29km long,also the greenfield terrain we are working with is quite rought which means more bridges,unlike tanzania which is just upgrading it's old metre gauge. Also in kenya land is more expensive than most african countries, and since government can not just take your land it means high cost of compensation running into billions of shillings.

 

[Kevin85ify]

Sub-Saharan Africa is on its way to get her first bullet train courtesy of Tanzania and Rwanda
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• The Isaka-Kigali SGR project will link Isaka township in Tanzania with the Rwandan capital, Kigali.
• The 571km-long cross-border standard gauge railway project will cost US$2.5 billion to complete.
• The cost will be split between the two nations with Tanzania forking out US$1.3bn and Rwanda US$1.2bn.

Models of high speed trains are seen during the China High Speed Railway on Fast Track exhibition in Jakarta.
Sub-Saharan Africa is set to get its first bullet train courtesy of Tanzania and Rwanda.
The 571km-long cross-border railway project dubbed the Isaka-Kigali SGR project linking landlocked Rwanda with Tanzania's port at Dar es Salaam will cost US$2.5billion to complete.

In a joint announcement, Rwanda's Minister of Infrastructure Claver Gatete and Tanzania's transportation minister Isack Kamwelwe declared the cost was established by an initial study.

Rwanda's President Paul Kagame with his Tanzanian counterpart John Magufuli

The cost will be split between the two nations with Tanzania forking out US$1.3bn and Rwanda US$1.2bn.
The first 400km from Dar to Dodoma is currently underway and being built by Turkish/Portuguese consortium. The cross-border railway project will enable landlocked Rwanda to access the Dar es Salaam port in Tanzania. The line will also support the transfer of goods from Dar es Salaam port to Burundi and Congo.

The Isaka-Kigali SGR project

The Isaka-Kigali SGR project linking Isaka township in Tanzania with the Rwandan capital, Kigali was initially planned to be powered by diesel before it was switched to electric.

Once complete, it is expected to provide improved railway connectivity and reduce freight transportation costs in the East Africa region.

The two countries are considering various funding options for the project including from the African Development Bank (AfDB).
Tanzania and Rwanda launched the project in January 2018 and the two countries have agreed to expedite the process to implement the Isaka-Kigali Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) project.

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As I said before the devil is in the detail, the tanzania line is designed to carry a maximum of 17 million tonnes while the kenyan is designed for 25 million tonnes. If you know anything about Rail, it is that cargo is the cash cow. The kenyan line will pay for itself, already it has been ranked among the top ten best rail tours in the world, it has added 1.5% to the kenyan economy, it already operates at full capacity for passengers, it has improved efficiency at the port of mombasa which has reduced inflation in our economy, it has also employed over 5000 kenyans in all categories. In cargo we now have twelve cargo trains, half of them double stack trains daily from mombasa port beating even the expectation of the chinese at this time.In every sense our line is the best in sub sahara africa.

 

[kirk git]

As I said before the devil is in the detail, the tanzania line is designed to carry a maximum of 17 million tonnes while the kenyan is designed for 25 million tonnes. If you know anything about Rail, it is that cargo is the cash cow. The kenyan line will pay for itself, already it has been ranked among the top ten best rail tours in the world, it has added 1.5% to the kenyan economy, it already operates at full capacity for passengers, it has improved efficiency at the port of mombasa which has reduced inflation in our economy, it has also employed over 5000 kenyans in all categories. In cargo we now have twelve cargo trains, half of them double stack trains daily from mombasa port beating even the expectation of the chinese at this time.In every sense our line is the best in sub sahara africa.

Where are you quoting from? Last i heard, TZ can handle max 35 tonnes per axle

Eti class 1 kutoka Chinese. Bure kabisa! Even Chinese know it, halafu wewe hapa unakuja na upotoshaji

"The new railway line will have a capacity of transporting 17 million tonnes of cargo each year, with a 35 tonne axle load capacity. It will be used by electric trains moving at a speed of 160 kilometers per hour," added the statement.

Roundup: Tanzania awards Turkish firm 1.92 bln USD railway deal - Xinhua | English.news.cn

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[thisdayes]

Yes because our railway line can easily be compared with the best in the world. It is class on chinese standard which means it is superior compared to ethipioa which is class two, and to morrocco which is arema standard but for passengers and can not handle alot of cargo, Tanzania line which can not handle alot of cargo(maximum of 17 million tonnes ). Just for your information China is currently the world leader in Railway technology.Also unlike most of our detractors we are a democracy, that means we are obliged by law to listen to all voices. Kenya has to build super bridges inside all parks(under direction of the court), some stretching as long as 29km long,also the greenfield terrain we are working with is quite rought which means more bridges,unlike tanzania which is just upgrading it's old metre gauge. Also in kenya land is more expensive than most african countries, and since government can not just take your land it means high cost of compensation running into billions of shillings.

"tanzania which is just upgrading it's old metre gauge". Wewe jamaa unaongea pumba tupu. Sasa kwa akili za kawaida mtu ambae ana access ya hili jukwa anaweza akaongea kitu kama hicho!! Ukirudi juu kidogo kuna article inaeleza kuhusu ujenzi wa new rail ila wewe kwa ujinga wako una ongea vitu vya kwako peke yako. For your info old metre gauge ya Tz bado inafanya kazi na inaboreshwa huku new electric sgr ikiwa inajengwa.

 

[Kafrican]

Kenya's SGR to become most expensive such project in the world

Author: Muyela Roberto
UPDATED: A DAY AGO

- The government spends on average KSh 800 million for every kilometer of SGR

- The cost is said to be two times more compared the international average

- Kenya is expected to borrow about KSh 845 billion from China for completion of the SGR

- Kenyans would pay close to KSh 1 trillion after the SGR loans clock maturity

- With public debt almost crossing KSh 5.4 trillion, there are concerns Kenya may not be able to settle the SGR loans

It has emerged Kenya's Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) has now been entered into the books of records as the most expensive such project in the world.

This comes after President Uhuru Kenyatta and Opposition chief Raila Odinga flew to China to secure KSh 368 billion loan to fund the ongoing construction of the SGR.

The new loan is expected to be injected in construction of the Naivasha-Kisumu SGR line and this would inflate the gross amount of loans Nairobi has borrowed from Beijing to about KSh 845 billion.

According to a report by Daily Nation on Wednesday, April 24, it costs the government KSh 800 million to construct each kilometer of the rail, and this makes the project the most expensive in the world.

Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/303943-kenyas-sgr-project-expensive-project-world.html#303943

A case of poor analysis, Loan ya phase 2A includes the construction of a SEZ in Naivasha, loan ya phase 2B to Kisumu includes money for the construction of a 500,000 TEUs modern port in Kisumu + additional trains and wagons....... But instead of the journalist factoring in all of that, he divides the total loan against the linear distance covered!
In comparison to TZ, the cost of constructing the first phase excludes the cost of the locomotives unlike in Kenya where the SGR loan included the cost of the locomotives and wagons.

 

[mwaswast]

thisdayes si sgr yenu imekwama pale kibaha tangu mwaka jana? Najua utajibu kwa hasira ila ndio furaha yangu 😀😀 Najua "na hela zetu za ndani" zimekwisha.

 

[thisdayes]

A case of poor analysis, Loan ya phase 2A includes the construction of a SEZ in Naivasha, loan ya phase 2B to Kisumu includes money for the construction of a 500,000 TEUs modern port in Kisumu + additional trains and wagons....... But instead of the journalist factoring in all of that, he divides the total loan against the linear distance covered!
In comparison to TZ, the cost of constructing the first phase excludes the cost of the locomotives unlike in Kenya where the SGR loan included the cost of the locomotives and wagons.

Ila cost per km ya rail yenu ni above average kwa standards za dunia. Halafu naomba unitajie cost ya locomotive zenu

 

[thisdayes]

thisdayes si sgr yenu imekwama pale kibaha tangu mwaka jana? Najua utajibu kwa hasira ila ndio furaha yangu 😀😀 Najua "na hela zetu za ndani" zimekwisha.

Wewe kadri siku zinavyo enda wewe unakua kwenda chini. Punguza u toii

 

[Kafrican]

Ila cost per km ya rail yenu ni above average kwa standards za dunia. Halafu naomba unitajie cost ya locomotive zenu

Hebu niletee link ya hizo standards za dunia unazzongelea

 

[mwaswast]

thisdayes bado nangoja picha za sgr yenu(the new lunatic railway)

 

[thisdayes]

Hebu niletee link ya hizo standards za dunia unazzongelea

Poa.. ila swali langu la msingi hujanipa jibu bado

 

[thisdayes]

thisdayes bado nangoja picha za sgr yenu(the new lunatic railway)

The old lunatic railway ni Kenyan Sgr

 

[Kafrican]

Poa.. ila swali langu la msingi hujanipa jibu bado

Wewe ndo ulianza na kusema "Ila cost per km ya rail yenu ni above average kwa standards za dunia. " leta ushahidi wa ulichosema mwando alafu ndo tuondelee

 

[thisdayes]

Wewe ndo ulianza na kusema "Ila cost per km ya rail yenu ni above average kwa standards za dunia. " leta ushahidi wa ulichosema mwando alafu ndo tuondelee

Hahahaa.... pia mimi ndiyo nilianza kuuliza bei! hili la bei za loco zenu ata Uhuru hana jibu itakuwa wewe. Mchina anajua kuibia watu kwa akili

 

[ndughuri msuya]

As I have stated Kenya does not need Rwanda there are larger markets than rwanda. Also Kenya is more efficient than Tanzania in logistics. Facts do not care about your feelings Bro!

sizitaki mbichi hivi baada ya kushindwa kuzirukia,alisema sungura

 

[tuusan]

Yes because our railway line can easily be compared with the best in the world. It is class on chinese standard which means it is superior compared to ethipioa which is class two, and to morrocco which is arema standard but for passengers and can not handle alot of cargo, Tanzania line which can not handle alot of cargo(maximum of 17 million tonnes ). Just for your information China is currently the world leader in Railway technology.Also unlike most of our detractors we are a democracy, that means we are obliged by law to listen to all voices. Kenya has to build super bridges inside all parks(under direction of the court), some stretching as long as 29km long,also the greenfield terrain we are working with is quite rought which means more bridges,unlike tanzania which is just upgrading it's old metre gauge. Also in kenya land is more expensive than most african countries, and since government can not just take your land it means high cost of compensation running into billions of shillings.

Ati ardhi kwenu ya ghali hasa ni wapi serikali huchukua ardhi bure? Kama ulikua hujui reli inamipaka yake kama inamfuata mtu atalipwa lakini kama ulivamia eneo la reli utapisha bila malipo...
Kingine msubiri reli ikamilike ndio itakua wakat sahihi wakusema ipi bora

 

[Kafrican]

No moving wagon scanners! See Dar port

Ulikua unaringa na hivyo vi scannr vyenu viduchu, Cheki hii sasa, bab kubwa..

 

[tuusan]

"tanzania which is just upgrading it's old metre gauge". Wewe jamaa unaongea pumba tupu. Sasa kwa akili za kawaida mtu ambae ana access ya hili jukwa anaweza akaongea kitu kama hicho!! Ukirudi juu kidogo kuna article inaeleza kuhusu ujenzi wa new rail ila wewe kwa ujinga wako una ongea vitu vya kwako peke yako. For your info old metre gauge ya Tz bado inafanya kazi na inaboreshwa huku new electric sgr ikiwa inajengwa.

Uyo chalii Hamna kitu anajua ni Nazi tu,old meter gauge railway iko na haijaguswa,ujenzi wa SGR unajitegemea hasa unaanzaje kumuelewesha mtu kama huyo

 

[tuusan]

thisdayes si sgr yenu imekwama pale kibaha tangu mwaka jana? Najua utajibu kwa hasira ila ndio furaha yangu 😀😀 Najua "na hela zetu za ndani" zimekwisha.

Umejuaje?haha unafrahisha