Geza Ulole
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Nyie Wakunya mmetoa ngapi?Yani Uganda inatoa $65.9 million kujenga bara bara ndani ya DRC kwasababu ya umuhimu wake kwa biashara.
Asante Uganda, barbara hiohio itatumika kupeleka pia exports za Kenya !
This comment has really touched someone.😂😂🤣Yani Uganda inatoa $65.9 million kujenga bara bara ndani ya DRC kwasababu ya umuhimu wake kwa biashara.
Asante Uganda, barbara hiohio itatumika kupeleka pia exports za Kenya !
Tutatumia hiyo barabara upende usipende.Nyie Wakunya mmetoa ngapi?
Sisi hatuna mpaka na DRC unataka tujenge barbara ya ku connect DRC na nchi gani?Nyie Wakunya mmetoa ngapi?
BTW, We are still on course to meet the 2025 target of 10million tones p.a projected in the ESIA SGR report
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From the Bar-Graph you can see that they started counting from 2025, and they projected that by 2025 we would be doing 10m tones p.a. So we are very much on schedule to meet that projection if things stay as they are!!!!
Wapi barabara Somalia au South Sudan mmechangia?Sisi hatuna mpaka na DRC unataka tujenge barbara ya ku connect DRC na nchi gani?
Lakini ilisemekana wale wanajeshi tutakaotuma wanaelekea eneo hilo hilo kumaliza wanamgambo ili kuhakikisha malori yatakayotumia hio bara bara hayasumbuliwi na yeyote. Win for DRC security and development and a win for UG and KE for trade and economy.
Total exports for Uganda to Congo in 2018 stood at $532 million, of which informal trade exports were worth $312 million, while formal trade accounted for $221 million.Wapi barabara Somalia au South Sudan mmechangia?
R u trying to accept a claim LAPSSET is white elephant!Total exports for Uganda to Congo in 2018 stood at $532 million, of which informal trade exports were worth $312 million, while formal trade accounted for $221 million.
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Our trade with those countries that you mentioned are no where near that level or even potential.
We are not paying double to previously agreed installment. We postponed paying the loan because of covid, now we paying the postponed installment + current installment.No one is dismissing the project to be the white elephant. But the issue is on debt rescheduling. Why to pay double to the previously agree instalments.
Also the interest rate far away form the inter banking offering rates (ibor) which is normally used as a yardstick.
LAPSSET is for Import/export from outside, that one for UG is internal trade btn DRC and UG. There is very minimal trade btn the main LAPSSET countries. We are trying to create something from scratch! If Ethiopia or S.Sudan don't invest in their own infrastructure to support LAPSSET then it would mean they are not invested in the project and it wouldn't succeed as expected. So we can't build a road inside another country that is not invested in the first place.R u trying to accept a claim LAPSSET is white elephant!
We are not paying double to previously agreed installment. We postponed paying the loan because of covid, now we paying the postponed installment + current installment.
And for the interest rates, half of the loan is the one that is commercial loan. You'll understand why Kenya had to go for expensive bilateral loan for the SGR once you are officially a middle income country! Kuna project zengine akina WB hukataa ku fund, walituambia tofanye repair kwa MGR ndo watalipia lakini SGR mpya tujipange.
Tanzania is not recognized officially as a MIC.I do understand the arrangement of carrying forward instalments payment. JPM was a champion of it.
However, you didn't answer my query of interest rate to be way far from ibor, the world SI. Securing both commercial and concessional facilities, have nothing to do with the interest to be more and above libor.
Who told you that Tanzania is not officially declared as a middle income country?
Again, we know everything about the perception of WBG on our strategic projects. This's why we opted to use our own source revenue to implement the SGR project.
Tanzania is not recognized officially as a MIC.
And about the interest rate, once the likes of WB refused, we had to look for the money from somewhere else, and it's not like international banks were lining up to fund the railway. Once we went to china for a commercial loan and being a poor country (relatively speaking) you can't expect China would just give us free commercial loan.
Infact, let's make this simple. Show me an African country that doesn't produce oil that has received a cheap commercial loan for a capital intensive project.
Well I also heard that you have been relegated back to LDC cause covid affected GNI growth but anyway, Let's forget about the MIC thing for now cause that's 2020 news, which is very recent. Wait a few years and see if cheap loans will still be made available to you.I heard with my two pinas from the secretary general of UN when giving condolence for the death of the true son of Afrika JPM, that he managed to the country to the middle income country before the scheduled time. So do you think, he was also referring to hearsay from the streets.
Answer the question, rather than asking me the counter question.
Why paying huge interest rates above the market rate??
Just a slight correction Tz has never graduated from LDC StatusWell I also heard that you have been relegated back to LDC cause covid affected GNI growth but anyway, Let's forget about the MIC thing for now cause that's 2020 news, which is very recent. Wait a few years and see if cheap loans will still be made available to you.
And about the interest rate, I have already told you why, but since you seem not satisfied, I have asked you to bring evidence of any other African country that doesn't produce oil that has received a cheap commercial loan. You have said our interest are above market rates? Which market is this that you are talking about? Are you talking about rich countries like US and Japan that have economic leverage and have no risk or problem paying back or are you talking about African market that is full of risks? Ndo maana nimekuuliza unionyeshe nchi ya kiafrica ambayo imepata cheap commercial loan alafu ndo ntakujibu vizuri kwanini yetu iko kuu kuwaliko hao.