Go lie to your Maasai neighbours please those air polluting boxes.. Haha.. the difference is very clear. Kenya is still superior.That's General electric engine far better than engines the Chinese gave u!
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Go lie to your Maasai neighbours please those air polluting boxes.. Haha.. the difference is very clear. Kenya is still superior.That's General electric engine far better than engines the Chinese gave u!
And yet conducts a garimoshi moving at 70km/h!Tanzanian SGR is a CLASS 2 type railway. Compare that with Kenya's which is CLASS 1.
I think this closes down the debate of cost comparisons between the two. Obviously, a superior class will cost much more.
Tanzanian and Ethiopian railways are both CLASS 2 [emoji15]
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A locomotive at the construction site of the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) in Nairobi, Kenya, on June 23, 2018. (Yasuyoshi Chiba/AFP/Getty Images)MORE
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Kenyans Wary of China’s One Belt, One Road Investments
BY FRANK FANG, EPOCH TIMES
September 6, 2018 Updated: September 6, 2018
The 2018 Forum on China–Africa Cooperation held in Beijing this week ended with much hype as Beijing pledged $60 billion in aid and loans to African nations. But behind the fanfare are social and economic problems that African countries face as a result of Chinese investment—as in the case of Kenya, which is seeking to modernize its infrastructure even as the nation’s debt load is ballooning.
With Kenya’s public debt reaching about $50.6 billion, President Uhuru Kenyatta has been criticized for irresponsibly borrowing from Beijing, according to a Sept. 5 article by Kenya’s largest independent newspaper, Daily Nation. As a way to ease some of that debt, Kenyatta, while in Beijing, asked China to split the $3.8 billion cost for building the next phase of the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) into 50 percent loans and 50 percent grants, Daily Nation reported.
If China is willing to foot half of the bill for the next phase of the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) in the form of grants, Kenyatta said, taxpayers in his country would only need to pay for half of it, or $1.9 billion.
Many Kenyans consider China the biggest threat to the country’s economic development, according to another recent article by Daily Nation, citing a survey conducted between July 25 and Aug. 2 by market researcher Ipsos Synovate.
Among those polled, 26 percent see China as a threat to Kenya’s development, while 38 percent believe the relationship between Kenya and China will lead to job losses. Another 25 percent say that the Kenyan economy will be hurt by imports of cheap Chinese goods, while 8 percent believe that China’s influence will foster corruption in Kenya.
Corruption is one of the concerns voiced in a report presented at a U.S. congressional subcommittee hearing on Africa and global human rights held on March 7.
The report indicates that some contracts signed between China and top officials in the Kenyan government are shady, greased with bribes and other antecedents, such as all-expenses-paid shopping trips to China and scholarships given to Kenyan elite.
“China plays a big part in corrupting leaders to gain business advantages through corruption within Africa, especially in Kenya,” the paper stated.
Debt Trap
Kenya’s debt to China has ballooned in recent years, according to Kenyan media. Debt owed to China stood at $4.75 billion in 2017, an increase of 52.8 percent from the previous year, and a seven-fold increase from 2013, according to an Aug. 21 article by Kenyan news site Kenyans.co.ke, citing data from the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics. That amount figures to grow as Kenya moves to the second part of phase two of the SGR.
The mounting debt has some Kenyan experts worried. Jaindi Kisero, a former managing editor with Nation Media Group, the largest independent media house in East and Central Africa, warned that the country could fall into a debt trap, much like what has already happened to Sri Lanka, in an opinion article he penned in the Daily Nation that was published in May.
“The Chinese will readily offer you infrastructure loans, but you will only start feeling the pinch when the time for servicing the debt comes calling—and you realize that your economy is not raising enough dollars to repay it,” wrote Kisero. He added that Kenya must pay back about $258 million in debt to China in 2018, and about $814 million next year, citing data from Kenya’s National Treasury.
Kisero concluded, “Kenya must not be left to suffer the indignity of the Sri Lankans.”
Sri Lanka handed over control of its main southern port located in Hambantota in December 2017, after China financed an OBOR project there. Sri Lanka was unable to pay back the $6 billion in loans and, thus, converted the debt into equity.
Eric Wamanji, a public relations and communication expert, in an opinion article published in the Daily Nation in August, warned of China’s loans, not only for Kenya, but for other developing nations as well.
“China is a calculating financier. Most of its loans are collateralized against strategic assets like minerals or seaports,” Wamanji wrote. In Congo, for example, China has seized mining rights to copper and cobalt deposits—key materials for developing China’s new vehicles industry—after years of investment in the central African nation.
“When states default on the loans, this affords China the liberty to seize assets, and even territory, in lieu of the repayments,” Wamanji added.
The SGR is part of China’s One Belt, One Road (OBOR, also known as Belt and Road), Beijing’s massive investment initiative with countries throughout Asia, Europe, Africa, and Latin America. Kenya is considered a strategic point in the maritime trade route laid out in OBOR plans, which runs from China through Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Kenya, Greece, and finally, to Italy.
To push forward its OBOR initiative, Beijing has claimed that its projects will create jobs for locals where projects are being built. Yet, the contrary is often true.
Public Dissent
In October 2014, Kenyan youth blocked a section of a highway in Voi, a town in Taita-Taveta County in southern Kenya, to protest against China Roads and Bridges Company. The Chinese firm, contracted by Beijing, had hired foreigners instead of locals to build a section of the SGR, according to Daily Nation.
The same company was also the target of another protest in the same town in May 2017, with local youth protesting hiring discrimination against locals, according to Daily Nation.
Phase one of the SGR, a roughly 300-mile-long railway connecting Kenya’s capital Nairobi and the coastal city of Mombasa, was built at a cost of $3.2 billion with Chinese financing and inaugurated in June 2017, according toReuters. China’s state-run Export-Import Bank of China paid for 90 percent of the cost, and the Kenyan government paid the remaining 10 percent.
The first part of phase two, a roughly 75-mile railway linking Nairobi to Naivasha, a town located northwest of Nairobi, is currently under construction.
Mombasa eventually will serve as a trade gateway in East Africa, as the SGR will link to railways in Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Democratic Republic of Congo, South Sudan, and Ethiopia.
The second part of phase two—at a cost of $3.8 billion—is a railway linking Naivasha and Kisumu, a port city on Lake Victoria, a body of water bordered by three nations: Uganda, Kenya, and Tanzania.
Kenyans Wary of China’s One Belt, One Road Investments
Naona wimbo wa tuta, tuki, bado hamjauwacha.Tanzania culd have been in the same situation if not JPM seized some bullshit contracts with China...Mzimu wa Nyerere ulikuja kuokoa [emoji1241] kupitia JPM [emoji120][emoji120][emoji120][emoji120]...nina uhakika kama [emoji1139] wakija kuomba ushauri kwa JPM nini wafanye ili wapone wangefanikiwa coz i believe JPM is a genius that always has a solution to solve things that were believed to be unsolvable[emoji4][emoji4][emoji4]but wanasema sikio la kufa halisikii dawa. R.I.P Kenyan[emoji137]♀️[emoji137]♀️...its time for other African nations that were despised by Kenya to rise up.
wacha stupid self denial pitia kuona Dar, Tanga and Mtwara ports expansion. Dar-Moro SGR is over 22% n will be ready on Nov. 2019. Until that day is due no right to speculate. BTW third phase Makutupora-Tabora is about to be launched with funds in hand! Wacha wivu kijana TAZARA flyover that u were negatively yapping about has just been opened well before deadline.Naona wimbo wa tuta, tuki, bado hamjauwacha.
Hebu tuweke mambo mawili matatu sawa.
1) Kenya imeshajenga zaidi ya km 500 za SGR ikiwemo ICD ambazo zinafanya kazi tayari(ICD yenye uwezo wa 480K TEUS, Dar port ina uwezo wa 600k TEUS, so that ICD is almost as big as Dar port) , Tanzania bado kumaliza ujenzi wa phase 1.
phase 2A ya Kenya iko 60% complete na inamalizika june 2019 , phase 1 ya Tz iko 20% complete na inamalizika 2020...... This game is far from over! tukifika huko 2020 na uone Kenya bado phase 2B,C za Kenya bado hazijaendelea, hapo ndo utaweza kusema Kenya imeshindwa kabisa... Na hata baada ya Tz kumaliza Ujenzi na kenya pia kumaliza ujenzi, hapo ndo game itakua inaanza rasmi, baada ya kama miaka 7 hivi ndo tutajua SGR ya nani inafanya kazi... impact ya SGR zetu kwa uchumi ndo zitadetermine nani alishinda game.... Waulize wa ethiopia waliomaliza ujenzi wa SGR yao miaka mitatu iliopita, impact yake hadi wa leo bado haijaanza kuonekana...
2) Bajeti ya Kenya ya infrastructure ni 50% zaidi ya Tanzania.
3) Kulingana na WB, Kenya ni ya pili, nyuma ya SA hapa sub-sahara Africa kwa uchukuzi - Logistics
4) Banadri ya Mombasa ni mara dufu ya Bandari ya Dar..
So, tell me, how do you see Tz rising up to overtake Kenya because of a delayed SGR project that is already way ahead of yours even when you factor in a possible delay of 1-2 years?
Mlipo gundua Gesi comments ilikua ni hizo hizo za its time for Tz to rise..blah blah blah... 10 years later, gap between Kenya and Tz is even wider!
show me one locomotive that looks like that in ur fleet of chinese mitambo ya gongo!Go lie to your Maasai neighbours please those air polluting boxes.. Haha.. the difference is very clear. Kenya is still superior.
Each country is corrupt, the only difference in the level of corruptness in it. Many African countries are suffering from THIS and comparing Kenyan problems with yours is just stupid. With the variety of minerals you guys have, you should not be just struggling to copy paste everything Kenya does, rather your leaders should solve your own problems first. free health, improved better services and good education etc. The rest of will fall into place.
Aisee umenena!MOTOCHINI, mchina kawagonga! Kama unakumbuka Xi Jinping alikuja Bongo akasaini mikataba kuifanya TZ Kuwa point of call n hub ya chinese industries!
Kuona hivyo kwa desperation Kenya wakakurupuka kujenga reli bila ya kujipa muda wa majadiliano ili tu waiwahi TZ! Ndo matokeo yake bei zipo juu Kenya zaidi ya Tanzani yenye mikondo miwili ya bonde la ufa na Ethiopia yenye miinuko mikali zaidi! Matokeo yake Uganda wanagwaya kujiunga nao maana gharama za uendeshaji zitakuwa juu!
Zaidi ya hayo ni urasimu na ufisadi wa wanasiasa Kenya watu washachukua kitu kidogo! Nakataa gharama kutokana na fidia maana fidia inalipiwa na serikali ya kenya ndo sababu kuna kesi chungu nzima mahakamani juu ya wananchi kutolipwa fidia stahiki!
Tanzania culd have been in the same situation if not JPM seized some bullshit contracts with China...Mzimu wa Nyerere ulikuja kuokoa [emoji1241] kupitia JPM [emoji120][emoji120][emoji120][emoji120]...nina uhakika kama [emoji1139] wakija kuomba ushauri kwa JPM nini wafanye ili wapone wangefanikiwa coz i believe JPM is a genius that always has a solution to solve things that were believed to be unsolvable[emoji4][emoji4][emoji4]but wanasema sikio la kufa halisikii dawa. R.I.P Kenyan[emoji137][emoji3601][emoji137][emoji3601]...its time for other African nations that were despised by Kenya to rise up.
Dar+Tanga+Mtwara is less than Mombasa, infact while you are celebrating the expansion an oil terminal in Mtwara, KPC has just finished builing a $500m pipeline that transports 1 million liters per hour! and KPA has just awarded a $400m construction tender for building of a new oil terminal in Mombasa that will have a storage capacity to support supplying refined oil to the whole region for 5 months!!!! You cannot match that!wacha stupid self denial pitia kuona Dar, Tanga and Mtwara ports expansion. Dar-Moro SGR is over 22% n will be ready on Nov. 2019. Until that day is due no right to speculate. BTW third phase Makutupora-Tabora is about to be launched with funds in hand! Wacha wivu kijana TAZARA flyover that u were negatively yapping about has just been opened well before deadline.
which pipeline? The one with no bunkering detection system. My friend stop celebrating pillage n plundering of resources in that country!Dar+Tanga+Mtwara is less than Mombasa, infact while you are celebrating the expansion an oil terminal in Mtwara, KPC has just finished builing a $500m pipeline that transports 1 million liters per hour! and KPA has just awarded a $400m construction tender for building of a new oil terminal in Mombasa that will have a storage capacity to support supplying refined oil to the whole region for 5 months!!!! You cannot match that!
Alafu huko kwengine una repeat what I have just said alafu unajifanya ni kama umesema kitu tofauti...
I said Tz SGR phase 1 is 20% complete , and you say its 22% complete complete.
I said Tz SGR phase 1 will be completed 2020 and you say it will be completed Nov,2019.
=== Are you trying to dismiss my points on technicalities, really?
Alafu kuhusu hio Tazara, all new roads are opened for use before they are officially launched, hata Thika road, Southern bypass, outer ring road was opened for public long before it was officially opened. But since this is your first flyover in the whole of TZ, we will excuse you for making such a comment
HahahahahahaKuzindua tena yani kila siku JPM anazindua the same thing bila any progress, Danganyika republik ni shithole kabisaaaaa.