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Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
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BILLY ISISWE
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TAZARA na SGR ya KENYA. Ni sawa kabisa. Ila umri wa Reli tu. Tanzania wakinunua mabehewa mapya Ni sawa kabisa Na hiyo ya KE. Zote Ni sgr. Speed Ni hiyo hiyo.
hehehe,wazimu mwengine ndugu ya giza😀
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alikataa china ,the guys who sweat blood and tears for tazara , akawaita wafisadi ati atachukua mkopo wa china na kupea waturuki wajenge SGR
waturuki wenyewe wanajengewa reli na china 😀😀
waturuki wenyewe wanajengewa reli na china 😀😀
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Hhhh! Niliona Treni zao bado wanaagiza toka Uchina, Uswahilini kuna mambo! Nchi ya Jozi
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Look the first time when Chinese were picked to built TAZARA every nation including Kenya sarcastically laughed at the choice some countries like the UK and the US said it was imposible to build a rail track at that terrain! Try to search and see feasibility studies conducted before the Chinese stepped in.
Thererfore this project is not the first and not the most difficult as the track is not crossing the Southern highlands that chinese did in 1960s. That Motta company has over 70 years of experience.
Together the consortium of Turkish and Portuguese companies has average of 50 years of experience and each has undertaken similar projects of over 5000 km. These numbers don't lie my friend believe me those two Turkish and Portuguese companies won't disappoint since they are vying for the same pie that Chinese companies are eating.
My friend we have been there before sit and watch men at work. u should be asking yourself Ankara to Instanbul is around 400km and the Chinese company was paid US$ 1.2 bln while you paid 3 times the amount! Kenyan youths really killed my pride as a youth on being the first to defend that theft!
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Turkey New Rail is high speed rail mainly for persenger service (Like the one in Morocco), Kenya Rail is heavy-Duty rail mainly for cargo.. Stop comparing a bus and a lorry
The most common rail weight is ~49 kg/m with 69% of track, the remainder being of lighter weight rail, except for 150 km of 60 kg/m rail.
Rail transport in Turkey - Wikipedia
Kenya's new rail is 60Kg/m !!!!! that is heavy duty!!! in Comparizon Tazara is 45kg/m.. I dont know what your new SGR will be but it will be less than 60!!!!, Since turkey is the one building it, they will probably build it to their most common standard using lighter rail steel of 49kg/m !!!!!!
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Ati what with TAZARA? That's a copper rail track can't be that light! Isitoshe was built in 1969..and most important ur argument still can't substantiate the price of that track being 3 times the one in Tanzania n yet unelectrified...
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I mentioned Tazara just for reference for you to get an idea
The total length of the track was 2,060 km with the mainline being 1,860 km from Dar-es-Salaam to Kapiri-Mposhi. The portion of the track in Zambia runs from Nakonde to Kapiri-Mposhi for a total distance of 860 km. The minimum radius was 300m except between Mlimba and Makambako in Tanzania where it was 200m and between Makambako and Chozi where it was 250m. The track consists of 12.5m rails of 45 kg/m, joined with 6 hole fishplates forming a suspended joint, and uniblock concrete sleepers of 191 kg weight. The density of the sleepers was 1520 per km and stone ballast of size 25mm to 70mm was used. Zambian Economist: State of Railway Infrastructure in Zambia
Geza Ulole
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How do u compare a railtrack of over 40 years old to a track built this year launched last week. Is this all desperation ama? Man up as that's a Cape gauge width btn narrow n SGR !...
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You are loosing your ground, sijui unajifanya hauwelewi ama, Just forget about Tazara reference then..
Most common rail weight in turkey including the ankara-istanbul line is 49kg/m, It is safe to assume turkey will build you their most common rail steel, given that your new SGR will be designed for maximum 18 tonnes a year... Whille on the other hand Kenya rail steel weight is heavier at 60kg/m and maximum tonnage of 35Million tonnes per year... So wacha kujilinganisha cheap lighter rail na expensive heavy-duty rail
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Tanzania's railtrack capacity is 24 mln tonnes per year. And that of Kenya believe me is not more than 30 mln tonnes..keep being lied!
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I guess mota engil are the ones that did the light rail for dubai and they did a serious job, but it extremely expensive, why aren't people also complaining about nigeria sgr which is much expensive than our and of lesser design standa rds especially the stations?
when is it starting..😀
All this discussion about tonnage is okay, but should not be our main focus. The more important issue is how many of those tonnes will be exports rather than imports.No East African country can honestly say they have made serious efforts towards industrialization such that a modern railway is the only missing link. If we don't turn around our economies soon all those millions of tons we seem all so proud about will be Chinese and Indian imports. Don't forget this railway is a means to an end.
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When Museveni talks of SGR to water transport n Kenyans dreams of on land SGR across Mombasa-Nairobi-Malaba-Kampala-Kigali construction. I see pipeline saga repeating. With all that huge oil reserves Uganda can shop finances from any country n no country include China can force Uganda to unholy infrastructural union [emoji23]
Finance Minister Matia Kasaijja presented the 2017/18 National Budget on my behalf this afternoon.
I have been reading newspapers giving a pessimistic view of the economy. As the Bible says, they have eyes but they don't see. They have ears but don't hear.
I am optimistic because for the first time, we have got the base which we did not have before. The base is reflected in the following ways;
The first element is peace. No one has capacity to disturb it. Lawlessness which had come up will be addressed.
Second is electricity. In 1986, we had only 60MW, now we have more than 2,000MW when all projects are finished. The only little problem is high cost of Bujagali. We shall refinance Bujagali for cost to come down especially for manufacturers.
Third is the many new roads. I hosted an investor from the UK recently. He travelled upcountry and told me he has not seen such good roads in Africa. He was asleep all the way.
We are preparing to build the Standard Gauge Railway. We shall also repair the old line upto Gulu and Pakwach. That railway will carry equipment to L. Albert and oil fields. Rail-water transport will do a lot to lower cost of transport.
Cost of money. We are working towards lowering interest rates for manufacturers and farmers. Borrowing for farmers and manufacturers will go down.
Through Operation Wealth Creation we are attacking 'Pur mecham pekene' (agriculture for only eating).
People must move from subsistence farming to food security and food for money. For commercial farmers, there's money to borrow and expand.
We have a much more educated population. Literacy rate is 75%. These educated people, though most studied courses without readily available jobs, can easily join the entrepreneurial class. They are easy to train.
We must convert these young people from joblessness to employed and with property. The NRM has created a good base for this.
We have abundant raw materials. Leather is taken away in raw form and brought back to Uganda as shoes which we buy expensively.
We are misusing our purchasing power buying other people's products. The military uniform I am putting on is Ugandan made. Only the beret is foreign.
Instead of our girls going abroad to work as housegirls, we should support them with skills and capital to become job creators.
I supported a group in Wobulenzi doing maize milling. Why export our grain unprocessed when our children can do it here? Soon I will get them to manufacture transformers. That is why Kilembe Mines must have serious investors.
With tourism, we are going to revive our airlines. There would be more tourists if we had direct flights.
We are also continuing to attract Foreign Direct Investments and work with the over 700 members of Uganda Manufacturers Authority to support manufacturing.
In short, I am very optimistic about this economy. We had two problems; our businessmen who were exporting to South Sudan and Congo affected by the conflicts and then the drought. But we are resolving all these.
Source: Yoweri Kaguta Museveni Facebook page
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Finance Minister Matia Kasaijja presented the 2017/18 National Budget on my behalf this afternoon.
I have been reading newspapers giving a pessimistic view of the economy. As the Bible says, they have eyes but they don't see. They have ears but don't hear.
I am optimistic because for the first time, we have got the base which we did not have before. The base is reflected in the following ways;
The first element is peace. No one has capacity to disturb it. Lawlessness which had come up will be addressed.
Second is electricity. In 1986, we had only 60MW, now we have more than 2,000MW when all projects are finished. The only little problem is high cost of Bujagali. We shall refinance Bujagali for cost to come down especially for manufacturers.
Third is the many new roads. I hosted an investor from the UK recently. He travelled upcountry and told me he has not seen such good roads in Africa. He was asleep all the way.
We are preparing to build the Standard Gauge Railway. We shall also repair the old line upto Gulu and Pakwach. That railway will carry equipment to L. Albert and oil fields. Rail-water transport will do a lot to lower cost of transport.
Cost of money. We are working towards lowering interest rates for manufacturers and farmers. Borrowing for farmers and manufacturers will go down.
Through Operation Wealth Creation we are attacking 'Pur mecham pekene' (agriculture for only eating).
People must move from subsistence farming to food security and food for money. For commercial farmers, there's money to borrow and expand.
We have a much more educated population. Literacy rate is 75%. These educated people, though most studied courses without readily available jobs, can easily join the entrepreneurial class. They are easy to train.
We must convert these young people from joblessness to employed and with property. The NRM has created a good base for this.
We have abundant raw materials. Leather is taken away in raw form and brought back to Uganda as shoes which we buy expensively.
We are misusing our purchasing power buying other people's products. The military uniform I am putting on is Ugandan made. Only the beret is foreign.
Instead of our girls going abroad to work as housegirls, we should support them with skills and capital to become job creators.
I supported a group in Wobulenzi doing maize milling. Why export our grain unprocessed when our children can do it here? Soon I will get them to manufacture transformers. That is why Kilembe Mines must have serious investors.
With tourism, we are going to revive our airlines. There would be more tourists if we had direct flights.
We are also continuing to attract Foreign Direct Investments and work with the over 700 members of Uganda Manufacturers Authority to support manufacturing.
In short, I am very optimistic about this economy. We had two problems; our businessmen who were exporting to South Sudan and Congo affected by the conflicts and then the drought. But we are resolving all these.
Source: Yoweri Kaguta Museveni Facebook page
nomasana, sam999, NairobiWalker, hbuyosh,msemakweli, simplemind, Kimweri, Bulldog, MK254, Kafrican, Ngongo, Ab_Titchaz,mtanganyika mpya, JokaKuu, Ngongo, Askari Kanzu, Dhuks, Yule-Msee, waltham, mombasite gabriel, Juakali1980, Boda254, mwaswast, MwendaOmo, Iconoclastes, oneflash, Kambalanick, 1 Africa, saadeque, burukenge, nyangau mkenya, Teen-Upperhill Nairobi, kadoda11
Geza Ulole
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The thing is Nigerian railtrack does not affect this economic block that has 4 of her members landlocked
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I agree with what Sean Marcus said. These threads about SGR/Kenya-Tanzania comparison are becoming too much and it is not like any of us here is a government minister so we're making too much noise for nothing!
Geza Ulole
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Umelazimishwa kuchangia? Na mbona kuna threads nyingi humu ndani?