Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Wewe Uhuru N umoja gautrain is built on a standard gauge track(1,435mm 4f 8(1/2).there is a reason they built a standard gauge despite having an extensive cape gauge,because it is the future,when it come to benefits ,you are outright ignorant to allege that it has zero benefits,my friend are you serious?look,that track runs parallel to the ben schoeman freeway from joburg all the way to pretoria,a section of the N1 freeway,that routes attracts a traffic of 157,000 vehicles per day,it is one of the most plied route in SA,the gautrain was built to reduce the vehicular haulage from that road to commuter trains,the following are some of the benefits of an improve commuter rail.it practically reduces the number of cars on the road since people opt for a faster train hence alleviating traffic jams,two,reduced number of cars on road means reduced carbon emmissions hence sustainable environment,three,sustained environment improves quality of life hence a healthy nation,four,a healthy nation means a productive nation,five,a productive nation means more jobs and the ripple effect goes on...
 
Kunta kinte1776 said:
Wewe Uhuru N umoja gautrain is built on a standard gauge track(1,435mm 4f 8(1/2).there is a reason they built a standard gauge despite having an extensive cape gauge,because it is the future,when it come to benefits ,you are outright ignorant to allege that it has zero benefits,my friend are you serious?look,that track runs parallel to the ben schoeman freeway from joburg all the way to pretoria,a section of the N1 freeway,that routes attracts a traffic of 157,000 vehicles per day,it is one of the most plied route in SA,the gautrain was built to reduce the vehicular haulage from that road to commuter trains,the following are some of the benefits of an improve commuter rail.it practically reduces the number of cars on the road since people opt for a faster train hence alleviating traffic jams,two,reduced number of cars on road means reduced carbon emmissions hence sustainable environment,three,sustained environment improves quality of life hence a healthy nation,four,a healthy nation means a productive nation,five,a productive nation means more jobs and the ripple effect goes on...
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What future for Kenya having cargo locomotives moving at 80km/h in comparison to SA cape gauge at 120km/h? KR got it all wrong!
 
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Bantugbro said:
Ndugu Mwafrika,

Hii project ya Tazara huwezi kui-compare with any railway project in Africa kutokana na historical relevance yake. Hii railway haikujengwa kwa sababu ya kuleta profits bali ilijengwa ili kunusuru nchi za kusini mwa bara la especially Zambia kutoka katika embargo ya Makaburu wa Afrika ya Kusini. Hii ndio iliwasaidia kutumia Dar Port ktk export na import zao. Kaburu na Portuguese waliwazuia kutumia Durban na Moputo ports.

Ndio maana pia inaitwa Reli ya Uhuru!

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Reli yoyote inajengwa kwa lengo moja, uchukuzi.... Kumbuka pia CHina imekua ikinunua Cooper karibia yote ya Zambia, kwahivyo sababu zao ilikua si uhuru tu, walikua na malengo yao, Copper hio walitumia kutengeneza vifaa na nyaya za simu (landline), stima na mengineyo alafu wakaja wakatuuzia vifaa hivyo vilivyotengenezwa kwa copper na wakapata faida zaidi ya pesa walizotumia kujenga reli... Kwahivyo mchina alitekeleza malengo yake.... Hayo ya reli kuleta Faida na kuchangia 'Uhuru' ilikua ni kazi yenu... labda mgewapandishia bei ya kusafirisha hayo madini hamngekua bado mtategemea misaada yao kuendesha biashara hio ya reli...

Lakini, mbali na hivyo, tangu hizo enzi hadi sasa mnafaa kama TZ na Zambia mgekua mlitafuta biashara zengine za kujaza treni kati ya hizo nchi zenu mbili.. Biashara kati ya Zambia na TZ ni chini ya $250m ilhali mko na reli inayowaunganisha na inafanya kazi..
 
Kafrican said:
Reli yoyote inajengwa kwa lengo moja, uchukuzi.... Kumbuka pia CHina imekua ikinunua Cooper karibia yote ya Zambia, kwahivyo sababu zao ilikua si uhuru tu, walikua na malengo yao, Copper hio walitumia kutengeneza vifaa na nyaya za simu (landline), stima na mengineyo alafu wakaja wakatuuzia vifaa hivyo vilivyotengenezwa kwa copper na wakapata faida zaidi ya pesa walizotumia kujenga reli... Kwahivyo mchina alitekeleza malengo yake.... Hayo ya reli kuleta Faida na kuchangia 'Uhuru' ilikua ni kazi yenu... labda mgewapandishia bei ya kusafirisha hayo madini hamngekua bado mtategemea misaada yao kuendesha biashara hio ya reli...

Lakini, mbali na hivyo, tangu hizo enzi hadi sasa mnafaa kama TZ na Zambia mgekua mlitafuta biashara zengine za kujaza treni kati ya hizo nchi zenu mbili.. Biashara kati ya Zambia na TZ ni chini ya $250m ilhali mko na reli inayowaunganisha na inafanya kazi..
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FYI, historically , wanunuzi wakubwa wa copper ya Zambia ni Switzerland na sio China.

Hapo kati biashara ya mizigo kati ya TZ na ZAMB kwa TAZARA ilidorora kwa sababu ya malori yalikuja kwa kasi as an affordable alternative option without unnecessary bureaucracy. Kumbuka tuna barabara inaitwa TANZAM toka Dar hadi LSK.

Pia kumbuka Tazara haianzii ktk capital city, LSK bali huanzia kwenye kamji Kanaitwa Kapiri Mposhi close na copper belt area almost 900 km from Lusaka. Kwa hio ukiondoa mzigo wa copper, wafanyabiashara wa vitu vingine toka miji mingine wanaona ni bora tu kutumia trucks kuliko kupeleka mizigo yao dry port ya Kapiri Mposhi ili ije ibebwe na Tazara its a long and inefficient process.

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Uhuru n Umoja said:
GAUTRAIN is from Pretoria, Oliver Tambo Airport to CBD Johannesburg which is just 80km. It was built out of no credible plans, and it has nearly ZERO economic significance.
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.. sanasana ilikua kwa sababu ya FIFA WC 2010. Walikua na mpango wa kufika Durban lakini hadi leo pameshindikana and Durbs is just around 600 Km from PTA.

Ukiona akina JPM wanajenga thousands of km ya SGR inabidi kuwavutia kofia...

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faru joni said:
MSAADA MSAADA MSAADA MSAADA

Habari za muda huu kwa mara nyingine tena

Natafuta kazi ndugu zangu watanzania wenzangu

Ata kama uta-nidalalia iyo kazi tutaelewana malipo ndugu yangu

naombeni msaada wenu mwenye kuweza kunisaidia, maana nimeshaangaika sana kutafuta kazi ila naambulia patupu

Nimezunguka sana kwenye viwanda, site za ujenzi ila naambuliwa patupu, naombeni msaada wenu, ata kama nitapata kazi ya ku-volunteer tuu, pia ntashukuru sana ndugu zangu...

Maana umri pia unakimbia, nisaidieni sana

Elimu yangu: Degree

Fani: CYBER SECURITY (ULINZI NA USALAMA WA MIUNDOMBINU YA TEKNOLOJIA)

Other Award: Diploma in computer science (SAYANSI YA KOMPUTA)

Na nimekuwa mbobezi katika mambo ya

》Penetration Testing, kutafuta vulnerabilities, kufanya sniffing, exploits & tools, nina uelewa wa kutosha kuhusiana na social engineering

》ku-secure system kwa kutumia linux, DNS, na kwa kutumia cryptography

》ku-secure connectivity kama vile switch, router, firewalls, vpn, ips(intrusion prevention system ) pamoja na ids (intrusion ditectin system) nadhani wataalum watakuwa wamenielewa kwenye ivyo vifupo

》Digital forensics inverstigation (computer pamoja na simu)

》Computer Networking

》 System analysis and design

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Mi ntakupatia mawaidha Tu. Kama umebobea kweli, tafta wenzio na muanzishe Ka Kampuni flani ... Kama itakushinda basi tengeneza portfolio yako na uiweke Kwa tovuti yako .. na ubandike vi project ambavyo umefanya hata kama ni hizo exploits utafute njia mwafaka ya kueleza ni nini ulikua unafanya na ulirekbishaje ulipopata weakness, pia siku hizi kuna remote networks za ukweli ambazo ukilipia Ka hela flani unapewa access Kwa masaa flani na unaweza Ku configure network nzima , kitu kama hicho pia unabandika Kwa hio tovuti ... Alafu ukiwa una apply kazi , hapo Kwa CV au application unawaambia watembelee portfolio yako Kwa tovuti ... Wakishaona umetengeneza tovuti yako wanajua wewe ni mtu serious itakua ni rahisi kupata kazi
 
Bantugbro said:
FYI, historically , wanunuzi wakubwa wa copper ya Zambia ni Switzerland na sio China.

Hapo kati biashara ya mizigo kati ya TZ na ZAMB kwa TAZARA ilidorora kwa sababu ya malori yalikuja kwa kasi as an affordable alternative option without unnecessary bureaucracy. Kumbuka tuna barabara inaitwa TANZAM toka Dar hadi LSK.

Pia kumbuka Tazara haianzii ktk capital city, LSK bali huanzia kwenye kamji Kanaitwa Kapiri Mposhi close na copper belt area almost 900 km from Lusaka. Kwa hio ukiondoa mzigo wa copper, wafanyabiashara wa vitu vingine toka miji mingine wanaona ni bora tu kutumia trucks kuliko kupeleka mizigo yao dry port ya Kapiri Mposhi ili ije ibebwe na Tazara its a long and inefficient process.

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Kingine it is only now that the revamping agreements are to allow TAZARA freight operate in the rest of Zambia Railways!
 
Signing a contract with China is like, ascribing to the boiling frog effect; a fable describing a frog being boiled alive slowly. If you drop a frog suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if you put that same frog in a vessel of water and start heating the water gradually, it will adjust its body temperature accordingly until it reaches a stage beyond its capacity and dies foolishly.
It’s rather pathetic how China is re-colonizing Africa by appealing to the ignorance and selfish interests of our leaders. Today, the Chinese are offering mouthwatering deals to Africa, both in cash transactions and the outmoded or rather defunct barter trade which seem very attractive on the outlook but dangerous in reality.
The Zambian government contracted the Chinese, lazy-thought and glossed over details thinking they were granting consent to gernuine terms but the whole thing just morphed into modern day colonialism. China is now proposing to take over the Kenneth Kaunda International Airport should Zambia Government fail to pay back its huge foreign debt on time. The issue of whether Zambia posses the required economic muscle to repay that debt is in contention considering the amount involved. It’s typical of the Chinese strategy.
That moreover is not the only thing Zambian suffered from China; the Chinese own 60% shares of the Zambian National Broadcasting corporation which means, Chinese have an influence over what should or should not be premiered on their sets.
Ghana is equally towing same lane as our leaders have started signing contracts already; Chinese owned company, STARTIME is gradually gaining grounds over our major institutions, our biggest mining companies will soon be “taken” over by a Chinese company and many others. Now if this is not modern day slavery, what then is it? The 21st century African slave is never in chain; we are in debt caused by the ignorance or selfish interests of our leaders. Pathetic!
 
Mubofu said:
Signing a contract with China is like, ascribing to the boiling frog effect; a fable describing a frog being boiled alive slowly. If you drop a frog suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if you put that same frog in a vessel of water and start heating the water gradually, it will adjust its body temperature accordingly until it reaches a stage beyond its capacity and dies foolishly.
It’s rather pathetic how China is re-colonizing Africa by appealing to the ignorance and selfish interests of our leaders. Today, the Chinese are offering mouthwatering deals to Africa, both in cash transactions and the outmoded or rather defunct barter trade which seem very attractive on the outlook but dangerous in reality.
The Zambian government contracted the Chinese, lazy-thought and glossed over details thinking they were granting consent to gernuine terms but the whole thing just morphed into modern day colonialism. China is now proposing to take over the Kenneth Kaunda International Airport should Zambia Government fail to pay back its huge foreign debt on time. The issue of whether Zambia posses the required economic muscle to repay that debt is in contention considering the amount involved. It’s typical of the Chinese strategy.
That moreover is not the only thing Zambian suffered from China; the Chinese own 60% shares of the Zambian National Broadcasting corporation which means, Chinese have an influence over what should or should not be premiered on their sets.
Ghana is equally towing same lane as our leaders have started signing contracts already; Chinese owned company, STARTIME is gradually gaining grounds over our major institutions, our biggest mining companies will soon be “taken” over by a Chinese company and many others. Now if this is not modern day slavery, what then is it? The 21st century African slave is never in chain; we are in debt caused by the ignorance or selfish interests of our leaders. Pathetic!
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Selling ourselves is what we do best.

A lot of this is also largely a mental problem. Many Africans cross the seas to go advance other countries in terms of science, engineering, etc.

I am a large believer that Asia developed because they don't have the mental problems we do. They evaded colonization, kept their language, customs, etc. They boosted their education system which at least teaches them their own history. Why in heaven's name I learned more European than African history is a mistery to me. I really loved it when Magufuli said that "Being learned has nothing to do with knowing English."

On that note, I don't see China as a large threat or even colonization because we are largely still controlled by the West and China owning a port isn't going to change that. China is also largely in the lime light due to the big projects they have but the statistics paint a different picture.
 
China is not colonizing africa.they are building dams,power plants,roads,stadiums,hospitals,rails etc.back in my village in kenya,the chinese are paving roads i never thought would be built in my life time,i come from a rural farming community and those folks for sure will greatly benefit from that road to ferry their farm produce easily and faster to the market,i remember when it rained, using those roads became a nightmare,they virtually became impassable.folks had to result to donkeys to ferry the produce,shooting up the cost,now with the chinese in town,it will be a smooth ride all the way to the market,boosting productivity and pulling people out of poverty,how is that colonisation. On the contrary,the biggest threat to the african people is the africans themselves,yeah,the african themselves.not europeans or asians,the negroid themselves,your average typical african is a selfish being at the basic level,you don't want to see your neighbour prosper,its only in africa where we celebrate the downfall of our friends,relatives etc,i have come to observe that,that is inherently african,jelousy i say will kill africans,the same thing is replicated in our institutions,when one ascends to a position of power in a public office ,he or she embarks on a process of self enrichment using public resources,completly neglecting the responsibilities he or she is assigned,this tendency of looting public offices to the ground at the detriment of the majority is deeply ingrained in the african people,be it banks,pension funds,bursary funds,saccos etc...we just lack the collective responsibility to better ourselves.africa is the richest continent in terms of resources,landmass labour force and weather yet we are the poorest in standards of living,why???Look,the other races know to well how disorganised we are,and they will use that to rip us off.we have to get our act together or our generations will forever be condemned to poverty,lets understand our culture first,who we are,and how to go about our problems,you see,democracy is a western culture that westerners have perfected all too well.we cannot just copy paste it and expect it to work in africa,look,the chinese have had to adopt a mixture of free enterprise,socialism and state control to lift millions out of poverty,the futuristic skyscrapers of doha,UAE,saudi arabia are strictly nestled in a conservative muslim world,this people know what they want in life and are competing on global scale and contributing to humanity,nyinyi shindeni tu hapo na battle za upuzi ati dar vs nai muone kama umaskini utawatoka,bure kabisa!
 
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